Talk:Inland Empire (California)

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The Inland Empire is not a county, but as a region has similarities to a county. Using information at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Counties to improve this article. - DesertSteve 15:22 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Will, I am responding to being accussed of spamming on the board, I assure you I am not attempting to spam and I feel the message board is a legitimate Inland Empire resource. According, the cities I selected to be affiliated with this message board are apart of the Inland Empire and I thought I was sharing good resource for the visitors of Wikipedia. Please take this understaning into consideration and please respond soon. --IEGuy

Thank you.

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While updating the Interstate 15 article, I came across an interesting situation. The article contains a link to Inland Empire and Inland Empire (California). Both articles contain information about the region near Los Angeles, California, but I don't know enough about the area to merge the articles myself. Also, there's the question of which would be the most appropriate title -- with or without the state name. Is the "Inland Empire" near Portland, Oregon sufficiently well-known to warrant its own entry? If not, I'd think the simpler Inland Empire would be the best place for the article.

I'm not planning to make this change myself, as my hands are full with the List of United States Highways. I'm hoping a Californian will jump into the breach! --Robertb-dc 23:09, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Usually "Inland Empire" in California means around the Central Valley (Sacramento area), not LA. I've lived in the Pacific NW for 26 years and never heard of an "Inland Empire" by Portland (although I guess I could imagine such a term having been used many years ago to mean Oregon's now-dominant Willamette Valley, including Portland, as against the Oregon Coast). It is the common term for the area around Spokane, Washington, extending into part of Northern Idaho. -- Jmabel 23:15, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Told you I didn't know enough to make the change myself! :) So who will bell the cat? --Robertb-dc 01:17, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
The cat is belled. The SoCal Inland Empire is not near Sacto, but near Riverside and the AZ border and stuff. Is very big. And there is apparently a much older Inland Empire (~1890s v. ~1950s) area in Washington. They are disambiguated: Inland Empire (disambiguation). Sorry it means more link work for editors. jengod 02:27, Jan 23, 2004 (UTC)
No kidding. I grew up in the area around Sacramento and NEVER heard it called the Inland Empire. I now live in Southern California and the Inland Empire is DEFINITELY Riverside/San Bernardino. RickK 02:57, 23 Jan 2004 (UTC)
But it does not go out to the Arizona border. The Inland Empire is only the inhabited parts of San Bernardino and Riverside, not the desert parts of those counties. At least when I lived in Apple Valley, near Victorville, we never refered to the area as the Inland Empire, but it was used when I lived in Alta Loma, just uphill of the Ontario Airport. Maybe things have changed sence I moved back to San Jose.
I lived in the Inland Empire from 1985 to 2000. Like others have said, the term normally refers to the cities in that region. It starts going east from the Claremont/Montclair area (technically in LA county), all the way to Yucaipa. The San Bernardino county extends to the Arizona border, but going east past Yucaipa I would say is out of what is considered the IE. The desert parts of SB county like Victorville, Hesperia, etc are normally called the "High Desert". I'm not sure how far south into Riverside county it goes (or is considered to go), as I'm from San Bernardino, not Riverside. I know that past Corona you start getting into OC. Sometimes Pomona gets lumped into the IE as well, but that is technically in LA county.
I have heard the IE has being referred to in the past 5 years or so as "the 909" due to the telephone area code, but I have been told that the area code recently split. Up until recently there was also a website (www.909pride.com) extolling the virtues of being from the IE.
I have lived in the IE my whole life, the area codes split between 909(San Bernardino County) and 951(Riverside County). People in the western portion of the IE sometimes refer to it as the Inland Valley, to officially encompass Pomona and other nearby LA County cities with 909 area codes(Technically speaking, and my English Teacher in HS explained this to me, The IE is JUST San Bernardino and Riverside Counties). And for future refrence, Montclair is in San Bernardino County, I grew up there, it is the county line(With Pomona/CLaremont)

Is the Cucamonga region even a separate valley? I'd like to see a reference for that claim because I doubt it. According to this its origins are a Mexican land grant.[1] To my recollection, this area basically covers the alluvial fans south of the Cajon Pass. The incorporated city is part of San Bernardino County, which qualifies as Inland Empire for the Southern California usage. Yet the original rancho was 13,000 acres and probably extended into parts of what is now eastern Los Angeles County, which makes the matter debatable. DurovaCharge! 04:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Origin of Phrase

I grew up in the fifties in Brawley, CA. At that time, Inland Empire was the name used to refer to Imperial County and eastern Riverside County, the areas served by the Imperial Irrigation Department. A magazine supplement for the newspapers in that area was called "Inland Empire Magazine" and came out at intervals. This would have included Calexico, Winterhaven, El Centro, Holtvile, Imperial, Brawley, Westmorland, Calipatria, Niland, Seeley, Palo Verde, Blythe, Coachella, Indio, Thermal, Mecca and others.

As I understood it, the phrase "Inland Empire" was the origin for the names of the city and county of Imperial and the geographic area called the Imperial Valley. That would make it pretty old since the county was split off from San Diego during the first decade of the twentieth century. Facts might be checked by consulting newspaper morgues in the area, such as the Imperial Valley Press of El Centro.

In the late 60s, the magazine became a monthly or bimonthly and apparently moved its hq to Riverside. After that, I heard Inland Empire used to refer to all of the inland counties of Southern California; Imperial, Riverside and San Bernardino. It wasn't until the 80s that I heard anyone limiting the term to the western ends of the two larger counties. From my point of view, a very strange migration. Halfelven 03:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

hello I'm a resident of Indio Cal. and the regional term isn't as strong. More people use the term "desert" or "southwest" than the terms "Sou Cal" or "Inland Empire". There's a similarity in geography and landscape with Arizona and Nevada for those living in the Indio area. Culturally, the high Latino/Hispanic element might have to do with the name change, as some in Imperial county might refer to "American Mexico/ Mex-USA". Indio and Coachella became one of the U.S./Cal. highest concentrates of Hispanic or Mexican Americans, since immigration was very high for the two towns in the 1990s. I been to Imperial County, there's still plenty of farmland and the towns are growing within the confines of city limits. It's going to change and with NAFTA passed in 1993, the border city of Calexico seem to boom and thrive the most. Mexicali is a major city, the capital of Baja Cal. Mexico and perhaps the closest major city from Indio than Riverside or San Diego. The regional term seems to follow where white Anglos are the majority, but the eastward move of more (no pun intended) to Indio-Coachella to purchase a new home or property in bargain prices, the pendulum may be shifting back. Then again, most newcomers in the Inland Empire are Hispanic, and came from Los Angeles or you won't have Spanish-language new home ads. Oh well +207.200.116.8 13:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

The Inland Empire, if a separate metropolitian area not attached to Los Angeles-Orange counties, would outnumber San Diego and San Francisco-Oakland (the Bay Area is second in Cal. if it includes San Jose). The population is going to reach 5 or 6 million in another 30 years, the most growth shifted to the Victor valley, South of Hemet, the San Gorgonio pass, the Norco area and the fastest-growing areas 120-130 miles from L.A.: Indio-Coachella has more people than Palm Springs, and considerably the next big city. Of course the largest is Riverside, followed by San Bernardino, and the Ontario area has became a major industrial-commercial hub of Southern Cal. and north America in the 2000s. Moreno Valley, Temecula, Rancho Cucamonga and Redlands are the new formation of the U.S. post-war sprawling suburb, plus to add Victorville and Palm Desert with its' golf clubs and millionaires. 30 years ago, this is a mainly rural middle-class region, but today the Inland Empire has evolved to what's called a "yuppified" region. It reminds me of Orange County of the 1960s/70s and San Fernando valley of the 1940s/50s. Not since the mid 1980s has California had an economic worth before the recessions of 1988-1996 had been the worst on state record. The major cities and Indio-Coachella was the most affected by the recessions, and business money avoided them for awhile. Today, the money went to the lowest housing cost areas and the Inland Empire remains the best real estate deal in the state and nation as the average home price is in the $400s. Orange County and San Diego costs twice, Los Angeles thrice, and anyone moving to Victorville and Coachella will pay a quarter of the state average home price. Only a small area of Palm Springs is where the home prices surpass a million, but Palm Desert is the real millionaire spot+ 207.200.116.8 13:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone that has lived in the IE for longer than I have gave me a little piece of "urband legend" associated with the name Inland Empire. Apparently, in the 50s & 60's the term "Inland Empire" was coined to describe the KKK stronghold in the region of Norco/Corona. I have seen nothing that proves this, but our company has decided against using the term "Inland Empire" in case anyone can actually remember the negative conotation. Besides the fact that Inlane Empire doesn't translate colloquially into Spanish, which for marketing purposes does us no good! --HatchetFaceBuick 20:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gang Violence

The I.E. has several Chicano gangs including Westside Verdugo in San Bernardino, Ontario Varrio Sur, and Chino Sinners. Several members of these gangs rank high in the Mexican Mafia. San Bernardino is home to numerous violent gangs including the 7th Street gang.

The Inland Empire is more urbanized than ever, and the rising number of young people is also a concern. I don't want to make it a POV or make deragatory remarks on Riverside county's population. But the lack of amentities and recreation for children in some areas, and older sections of cities become more low-income and diverse, so this is a challenge in terms of social equality and opportunity. Many upper-income and professional commuters have to drive 2 hours to work in O.C.,L.A. or San Diego, then anything really for the children and teenagers? Why the Inland Empire Cal. became a Neo-Nazi hot spot? Is there a "fear" of another L.A. when it'll have too many people (3 million in the area, but expected to double in 25 years), but the rising percentage of black people? Asians? Latinos? Anyone not a WASP? Oh come on, most Inland Empire residents do not fear or care what color they are. There is a large conservative Republican voter base (not an opinion, but a fact from the two counties' wikipedia pages on the GOP had more votes than the Dems.), but it's not an excuse to attract the wrong kind of people in a false belief that "everyone's white here". Nope, the Riverside-San Bernardino area had a history of Hispanic culture since the area was settled by Mexicans in the 1800s and early 1900s. The latest wave of immigration in the 1980's and 90s, esp. high concentrations in North end of Riverside and the Coachella valley (Indio-Palm Springs) handled gang crime problems. Not because of race or ethnicity, but a community with widespread poverty, unchecked crime rates and racial enclavism create an environment for gangs. The issue should not remain ignored before crime in the Inland Empire surpasses L.A. The solution is create more positive environments for young people, like more recreation centers, expand public education, get more colleges and high-paid jobs close to home. And fight the perception of right-wing racist gangs made the Inland Empire a magnet for this sort of thing. Orange County and North San Diego used to be labeled ultra-conservative, so did Palm Springs until the 1990s. Also the majority of voters in Riverside, san Bernardino and Indio seem to lean toward Democrats, either a socio-economic reason or most Hispanics usually vote Democrat. So does the upper-class elites in west L.A. and most urban areas, Orange County is now more Democrat. The shift of Republican and white Anglo votes east to the Inland Empire had concerned Cal. state and U.S. politicans want to recieve the right number of votes, esp. from the suburban middle class. + 207.200.116.8 13:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone has the map list "Pomona Valley", that neglects "Pomona City" {Pomona_(city,_California)}.

That's about like Tbilisi|Tblisi being so far from Atlanta.

Well, I'd attempted humor,....

Please clarify the map.

Thank You.

Hopiakuta 23:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I vote for the removal of the gang violence section. There is not one source listed in there aside from the crime data. I'm not saying that the gangs do not exist, I just question its encyclopedic value here. DeeKenn 03:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it does have encyclopedic value. However, it does need a major cleanup, including proper sourcing. I'll see if I can do so in the next few days. Brien ClarkTalk 03:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge suggestion: Pomona Valley into Inland Empire (California)

I strongly oppose the recent suggestion to merge the Pomona Valley article into the Inland Empire (California) article. The Pomona Valley is a region of Los Angeles County, while the Inland Empire almost always means Riverside County + San Bernardino County. BlankVerse 12:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I just went to Victoria Gardens and above the Food Court inside, There's a giant sign that reads, "Rancho Victoria, San Bernardino Valley Citrus". What is that suppose to mean?--Redspork02 13:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I strongly support the merger of the three!! I grew up in the IE and trust me when I say that know one refers to the "Cucamonga Valley", or "Pomona Valley", its all the IE from Pomona to Redlands from Big Bear to Temecula. On I-10 when you physically pass the San Jose/Puente Hills heading east is when you enter the City of Pomona/ IE REGION. The Inland Empire is not a county, but as a region has similarities to The San Fernando Valley. Some people just dont like to be associated with the IE because of its Suburban landscape and gritty crime in the Rialto, Moreno Valley, Colton areas. Once again, I suggest a Merger!!--Redspork02 16:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
      • i strongly oppose the merge. i lived in san bernardino for 15 years ('85-2000) and i never knew anyone that considered pomona part of the inland empire. when people say "inland empire" they usually are referring only to san bernardino and riverside counties. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chadski (talk • contribs).
  • I oppose this idea as Pomona Valley while partially in the Inland Empire, would confuse the issue on one hand and secondarily, lump local intrests into a vast area they that they are on the margin of. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.117.211.159 (talk • contribs).
  • Strongly oppose. The Inland Empire is a long standing colloquial term regularly used by newspapers, books, television and radio. It might seem strange to people outside of Southern California that a section of it is deemed an "empire," but that truly is the case. However, the locations Pomona Valley, Cucamonga Valley and San Bernardino Valley are distinctive large geographical features. This is like the San Fernando Valley having a seperate article from Los Angeles or Los Angeles County because it is ia distinctive large and heavily populated geographical area. --Oakshade 05:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose for reasons stated by Oakshade. Rmannion 18:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - each have their own, fully separate identity. Just because there is some overlap does not entail a merge. If there were the case, Los Angeles County should certainly have many smaller valleys, regions or areas merged into it. Nay. Ronbo76
  • Oppose per abovementioned items. Brien Clark 00:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose per abovementioned items. I am a long time resident of the Inland Empire, since 1952. The Inland Empire does not include any part of Los Angeles County, though Los Angeles would like to try to claim areas in adjacent counties to make their county seem bigger. Twodogkd 11:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)twodogkd 3:10 March 2007
  • oppose these 3 objects are shown as separate regions of California and need separate articles, as such. Hmains 22:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ""L.A. and OC's New Jersey."

I've lived in Los Angeles 15 years and never heard this. It's considered a rural backwater, but I've never heard it called our "New Jersey". Remove it? Arspickles17 00:26, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Never heard of it either. It was tagged with fact requesting a citation on January 31, 2007. I would let it have at least two more days but that is up to other editors as well. Ronbo76 00:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I maintain residences in both Orange County (24 years) and Riverside County (3 years). I've never once heard this, the author added no citation, its now gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.229.231.152 (talk) 09:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "Valleys"

I live in Temecula, and no one refers to the area as the "Murrieta Valley", it is generally the "Temecula Valley", considering that is what the freeway is named. Should it be removed?GOLAASTL24 06:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Air Pollution: EPA

just as a note, while the EPA is the federal agency associated with monitoring, regulating, enforcing, etc. the air quality in what is the Inland Empire (as it would on a federal level in ANY state) there is also a state agency which does the same work on a state level; that would be the California Air Resources Board, or CARB. However, most appropriately, the agency that would really be responsible for the IE where air pollution matters are concerned, would be the South Coast Air Quality Management District, which is the REGIONAL air quality agency that watches over the IE, as well as portions of 4 other So. Cal. counties. --HatchetFaceBuick 20:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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