User talk:Ingoolemo/Archive 08
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- Archive 1: 2004, from May 23 to Dec 31
- Archive 2: 2005, from Jan 01 to Jun 23
- Archive 3: 2005, from Jun 23 to Sep 05
- Archive 4: 2005, from Sep 05 to Dec 01
- Archive 5: 2005, from Dec 01 to Feb 10
- Archive 6: 2006, from Feb 10 to Apr 14
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[edit] My latest idea for the extra edit buttons
To: MarkS
CC: Piotrus
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I decided it was best to start a new thread on this topic.
I had an idea for the editbuttons script that may or may not work. See User:Ingoolemo/extraeditbuttons.js for the code and User:Ingoolemo/Extra editbuttons for a correspondence table.
- I move each editbutton script to a separate subpage of the main script. Each editbutton is assigned a numerical name; currently spanning 1-22.
- I create a
wincbuttonfunction that imports the button script from its numerical page. This allows editors to perform very easy customisation of the order and placement of their buttons. By referencing the correspondence table mentioned above, for example, they can cherrypick the buttons they want and decide which order they want. Because the buttons are referenced numerically, all one needs to do is paste the main editbutton script--easy to do with a template--, then type something as simple aswincbutton('12'). - The
custombuttonfunction allows users to create their own buttons. I don't know if multiple variables are even possible in JavaScript, or if I treated them correctly, but if I did, it will allow Piotr to implement many of his ideas. I include examples below, but note that the following MAY NOT WORK, due to my lack of JavaScript skills:custombutton('blahblah/Button_tl_template.png','Tl','{{tl|','}}','template name')custombutton('blahblah/Button_subst_template.png','Subst','{{subst:','}}','template name')custombutton('blahblah/Button_disambig','Disambig','{{disambiguation}}','','')custombutton('blahblah/Button_welcome_from_Piotrus','Welcome','{{User:Piotrus/w}}','','')
- I have also developed an advanced linebreak button (User:Ingoolemo/extraeditbuttons.js/6a.js) that allows the user to define
clear. - I have developed Piotr's advanced references option. First, you click on the 'advanced references' button, which inserts
<ref name="Insert reference name. Then, you either click on the 'c' button or the '/' button. The 'c' button allows you to add citation information, and the '/' button allows you to refer to a previous footnote.
Update: I have not yet tested the custombutton feature, but it seems that my current editbutton design is causing major rendering issues. I will get back to you guys when I have explored the problem further. Ingoolemo talk 00:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
- The rendering issues have disappeared now that I've moved it from a subpage to my main javascript, but I still haven't got them up and running yet. Ingoolemo talk 02:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
My previous technique did not work. I have now developed a new system at User:Userscripts/Extra editbuttons/source2.js. Under this system, each button is defined as a function, and the buttons can be activated within a user's javascript by calling each button by its function name. (See User:Ingoolemo/standard.js for an example.)
I have not yet tested the custombutton(s,o,c,t,i) function. Ingoolemo talk 21:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Final report
I have tried several methods that would allow end-users to alter the order of the buttons (and to cherry-pick them) with more ease. They all failed. The only option—or so it seems to my untrained opinion—is to paste the XEB script (awesome acronym, isn't it?) to a subpage of their own and edit it there.
I still have not tested custombutton(s,o,c,t,i), but I do expect that to work.
I would like to suggest that the XEB code (currently at User:MarkS/extraeditbuttons.js) be moved to User:Userscripts/Extra editbuttons/source.js. While I was doing my experiments, I intended for them to be moved to your namespace, but didn't want to do that until I had permission. It just seems so much more logical to me to have them in a central location.
Mark: thank you for XEB. Piotrus: thank you for getting me thinking about ways to improve it. Ingoolemo talk 02:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- I also strongly recommend taking a look at some of the differences between the current XEB code and my code at User:Ingoolemo/xeb.js. Ingoolemo talk 02:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I am back (at last). Thanks for trying different ways of altering the code so the order of buttons can be amended.
I have had a play as well and have a method which might work. Broadly if the user defines a variable XEBOrder in their javascript before including the XEB code then this variable will override the standard order. For example: XEBOrder="A,C,E" will not display the standard XEB buttons, instead it will only display buttons A,C and E (in that order).
How does it work? The code first tests to see if XEBOrder has been defined. It it has it takes the user's value. If it hasn't been defined then it creates the variable with the default XEB buttons. It then works through each button in XEBOrder and creates the buttons requested (each button is now in a separate function).
The advantages I see in this method are:
- For user's who aren't bothered by the button order the XEB script works without any changes and produces a default set of buttons.
- You can change the order of buttons easily.
- You can hide buttons you don't want.
- The XEB script can contain extra non-standard buttons which user's can turn on if they want.
- The configuration is easy.
The current code is in the dev version of XEB and you can see the use of XEBOrder in my monobook.js. If you want to test it then simply include the dev version of XEB in your monobook rather than the standard version.
This is just a piece of code to test at the moment. Depending of the feedback I might look to:
- Change the button names from A,B,C,D... to more relevant names
- Add the extra buttons that have been requested. These might be non-standard buttons (i.e. only show if you use XEBOrder) to stop the toolbar getting too long.
- Move the code out of my userspace.
Any feedback is welcome. --MarkS (talk) 08:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] XEB Development version
I have updated the dev version of XEB. The new version includes:
- The ability to change the order of the buttons as requested by Piotrus
- The ability to hide buttons or show 'non-default' buttons.
- An optional set of buttons for adding references. These buttons are copies of those current in Ingoolemo's XEB script. These extra buttons are optional and only appear if requested by the user.
This new development version is in the form I would like to go live with and should include the main changes that were originally requested. The only thing missing is the other buttons requested by User:Piotrus - these can be added later.
Details (including how to make the extra refernce buttons appear) can be found on the XEB page. I invite your comments before I move the code to the live version. --MarkS (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Event that triggers popups
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Hi Lupin. I've been doing a bit of reasearch on JavaScript recently and I thought I might suggest something:
Would it be possible for your to specify the event that triggers popups (currently onmouseover) as a variable with a default value of onmouseover? That way, users could specify in their local .js what event(s) they'd like to use to trigger it. Personally, for example, I would only like to have popups at the combination of onmouseover and a keystroke.
Is my suggestion possible? Ingoolemo talk 02:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I replied on my talk page
Lupin|talk|popups 04:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] MediaWiki:Summary
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About a month ago, you edited MediaWiki:Summary to add a <br clear="all"> to it, saying "fix problem with wrapping to the same line as edit box". This appears to have created a gap between MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning and the edit summary box, which I think looks unsightly. What problem exactly were you addressing? Looking at the HTML source, I don't understand how the summary box could have wrapped to the same line as the edit box; the copyright warning was in between, and block-level elements that aren't floated should never be on the same line. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 04:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- I just removed the linebreak. The issue that I was dealing with was due to my CSS suppression of the rather bloated copyright warning. Since I've now suppressed the editsummary text as well, it's now a non-issue. Ingoolemo talk 02:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Some problems with {{B-29 family}}
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Thanks for creating this template, but there are some formatting issues. Because it refuses to align right—and I have no idea why—it has to be imprisoned manually. By adding the following text to the article, you should be able to make it fit into the related content section much more nicely.
{| align="right"
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Once again, I'm really pleased that you created this. I much prefer this template to what you did earlier, since I very much disagree that the Tu-88 is all that related to the Super Guppy, for example.
Happy editing, Ingoolemo talk 01:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I don't see any difference. Perhaps that's because I am using Safari. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 03:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] BAe 146
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Hi you moved the above page, citing WP:Air naming conventions. However the move you made is actually in contradiction of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (aircraft) and is incredibly clumbsy; British Aerospace BAe 146 is repitition. What you are calling it is the BAe BAe 146! Mark83 18:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I had thought of that, but similar patterns can be seen throughout aviation history, as in the case of the Lockheed L-1011 or the North American NA-62; likewise, pre-7x7 Boeings are often referred to (erroneously) by such names as Boeing B-314. The most pertinent example is almost certainly the Hawker-Siddeley HS121 Trident, which is part of the same designation sequence as the BAe 146.
- The real problem here is that it's not entirely clear how BAe named their aircraft. Were they doing like Boeing, calling their aircraft by [[{manufacturer} {model number}]], and simply using an abbreviated form? Were they doing like Lockheed, North American, and Hawker-Siddeley, using the abbreviation as a kind of stopgap so their planes wouldn't be just a number? Seeing that the DH.112 and HS.121 follow the latter system, I find it much more likely that the latter system is the case. However, no firm answer can be found until more research is done. Ingoolemo talk 19:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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- May I be so bold as to suggest that given that it is not clear, it was very rash to change it with (as far as I am aware) no discussion. Clear or not the MOS states that the name should be the most common usage, which is BAe 146. Regards. Mark83 19:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Where do you find edit quantity?
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I was interested to see the little box that shows you got to the 10,000 edit mark...maybe I'm missing something, but where do I go to see such a number for myself? Thanks! Akradecki 04:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Akradecki&dbname=enwiki_p used to be the place to go, but do to a server issue the editcount is no longer updated. Unfortunately, the problem may never be fixed, because it isn't a problem for anyone other than the pathological editcounters. Your other options are User:Interiot/Tool2, which is probably the best one if you don't have very many edits. If you have more than say, 5,000 edits you'll have to download Flcelloguy's Tool, an executable JAR file. Ingoolemo talk 23:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! Akradecki 23:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rotary rocket
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You deleted a load of categorisations of the article contents. So far as I can tell that's not a good idea; the categories need to be reasonably complete and comprehensive to be useful, and arbitrarily removing things from a category basically amounts to vandalising the category. If you want to do that kind of thing, you have to delete the entire category, or make sure that the article is already transitively in that category and by definition will remain so before removing it.WolfKeeper 05:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Category:Proposed spacecraft is the master category for Category:Single stage to orbit, and is therefore redundant and unnecessary.
- No, because if and when a single stage to orbit is built, single stage to orbit will be removed from proposed spacecraft. But the Roton is still likely to be in proposed spacecraft. Right?WolfKeeper 23:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Category:Private spaceflight is the master category for Category:Commercial spaceflight,
which is the master category for Category:Space access, which is the master category for Category:Single stage to orbit. The inclusion of the latter therefore makes all three redundant and unnecessary.
- You seem to be assuming that categories are hierarchical, but they aren't in general. They're more like Venn diagrams.WolfKeeper 23:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Thus, by placing the article in Category:Experimental rockets, Category:Reusable launch vehicles, Category:Rotorcraft, Category:Single stage to orbit, and Category:Spaceplanes, we can ensure that the Roton is transitively in every single category that it was before I did my trimming, while significantly reducing the category clutter that existed before. The redundant categories should only be retained if the minimalist categorisation I propose here does not fully describe the Roton.
There is a reason why we only place the B-29 in Category:U.S. bomber aircraft 1940-1949, and not also in Category:Aircraft, Category:Aviation, Category:Military equipment, and Category:1940s: because the minimalist category already describes every single one of the more general categories. Ingoolemo talk 19:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but that's clearly hierarchical, but these space categories aren't nearly so neat. For example if a billionaire owned a suborbital runabout for his own personal use, is that commercial spaceflight? No. So perhaps private spaceflight shouldn't be a subcategory of commercial spaceflight. In fact it's clear to me that they are not subsets of each other at all, although they are related.WolfKeeper 23:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think the bottom line here is you are really deleting stuff to make it look pretty, rather than being strictly accurate. I think accuracy is generally more important, YMMV.WolfKeeper 23:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unitformatter and dateformatter for classic skin
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Hullo Bobblewik,
I figured out a way to add your javascript unitformatter and dateformatter in the classic skin. I added it to the topbar; the quickbar seems like a better option, but the number of links in the quickbar is by no means fixed, which makes it difficult to guarantee that they will always be in the same position.
You can check out the code for the formatters at User:Karl Dickman/units.js and User:Karl Dickman/dates.js. The code to insert the links is new, but the formatting code is copied from your scripts.
I might be wrong, but I don't think that the code to add the links can be rewritten as a function. I tried and it didn't work.
I thought about moving my scripts to the User:Userscripts namespace, but that seemed silly unless you did the same. Interested?
Thanks for writing the formatters. Ingoolemo talk 05:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, you left a comment on my talk page requesting a reply using synchronised threads. However, I was blocked at that time and synchronised threads do not work for blocked users. I was able to reply on my own talk page but I don't know if you saw that. Can we talk now? bobblewik 12:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Your original reply:
You wrote: I thought about moving my scripts to the User:Userscripts namespace, but that seemed silly unless you did the same. Interested?
I don't know what the Userscript namespace does. I am generally pro anything that makes things easier for editors but can you please let me know before I agree to it. Thanks. bobblewik 09:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
The Userscript namespace is intended to be a central repository of scripts. On scripts where multiple developers contribute, having scripts in the namespace of each individual developer can be a pain. The Userscripts namespace alleviates this problem.
However, if you are interested, I will have to provide you with the password to login as 'Userscripts', because non-admins cannot edit other users's .js files. Cheers, Ingoolemo talk 22:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Synch. threads querry
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Where they developed solely by you? I think the 'how-to' should be categorized and moved to wikipedia namespace so it can attract more attention. Also, I wonder if you are familiar with m:LiquidThreads? When I first heard about them I thought they were reffering to your synch. threads. I wonder if those two ideas can be combined?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 10:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the idea was originally conceived by Alphax. My primary contributions were the how-tos and an improved boilerplate (the one at the top of this message); my architecture is also slightly different from Alphax's. I would have moved it into the Wikipedia namespace, but so far the only people I know who use them are Alphax and me.
- LiquidThreads certainly sound interesting. I certainly agree that my synched threads would be a good thing to bundle with the liquid threads. I will be adding a comment on the meta page to that effect. Ingoolemo talk 22:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Numbers as first column in quality stats
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Hullo Oleg. I was thinking about adding numbers to WikiProject Aircraft's article quality list. (Similar to a numerical list, with the first row having 1, the second 2, the third 3, and so forth.) I would do this manually, but I'm sure it could be done much more easily with a bot, and Mathbot might erase my work anyway.
Could you add those numbers easily using Mathbot? Ingoolemo talk 00:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Postscript: If you don't like the thread's, that's fine. Just {{subst:}} it and I'll keep your talkpage on my watchlist.
[edit] Task for Azabot
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Hey Aza. If it's not too much trouble, I have a task for AzaBot that should require almost no effort.
It is as follows:
For any articles containing {{Aircraft Specifications}} or {{Infobox Aircraft}} that don't already have it, add the following text: {{AircraftProject|class=|importance=}} to their talkpages.
Cheers, Ingoolemo talk 23:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Columbia 400
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[edit] ?????????
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What the heck? Why'd you delete my page on the book "90 Minutes in Heaven"???? People need to read this book! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael10127 (talk • contribs) .
- I deleted it because it had been tagged for another user for deletion, because it satisfied one of the criteria for speedy deletion. Specifically, I felt that it was "Blatant advertising. Pages which exclusively promote a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic."
- Of course, the subject matter itself is not an issue. The article simply sounded too much like a newspaper advertisement or something of that sort to qualify as an encyclopedia article. Thus, feel free to submit a rewritten version. If you'd like, I can email you the original text of the article as a starting point. Karl Dickman talk 01:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok! I thought it was justsome idiot who liked doing that. There should be an article for the book "90 Minutes in heaven" If only I could write it right! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michael10127 (talk • contribs) .
- I have recreated the article, but I have significantly refactored it. You can find the new article where you originally created it, at 90 Minutes in Heaven. Feel free to expand it, but try to keep in mind Wikipedia's policies on neutrality. Specifically, try to limit your additions to important parts of the plot summary, factual comments on critical reaction or popularity (such as it's current rank on Amazon—247, I believe), etc.
- There's always the possibility that the article will be redeleted on that grounds that it is reposted content. If this happens, let me know and I will deal with it. Cheers, Karl Dickman talk 03:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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