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[edit] Archive

Archive 1: 2004, from May 23 to Dec 31
Archive 2: 2005, from Jan 01 to Jun 23
Archive 3: 2005, from Jun 23 to Sep 05
Archive 4: 2005, from Sep 05 to Dec 01
Archive 5: 2005, from Dec 01 to Feb 10
Archive 6: 2006, from Feb 10 to Apr 14
Archive 7: 2006, from Apr 14 to Jul 09
Archive 8: 2006, from Jul 09 to Nov 15
Archive 9: 2006, from Nov 15 to Jan 10
Current: current discussion

1 Archive
2 deletion of Heuristic Squelch
3 Deletion of Dee_Brown_(Illini)
4 cafe pruckl - I challenge
5 apropos cafe pruckl
6 Thanks for the deletion </sarcasm>
7 Piper PA-12 is (was) an improper redirect that needs deletion
8 You're welcome
9 Response to logos
10 no source images
11 9/11 conspiracy theories/September 11 researchers
12 Image Tagging Image:Corsica.jpg
13 Image Tagging Image:Daniel_Johnson_Sr.jpg
14 Esperanza elections
15 Deletion Of Tara Singh Hayer's Page
16 template if tags
17 Your name on TV
18 News from Esperanza
19 Lynah Rink
20 Resolution
21 World Citizen userbox, {{User:1ne/Userboxes/User world}}
22 Tolkien languages
23 article merger request
24 Wrote Up a User Page
25 Editing Database To Add Interwiki
26 Arschgeige
27 Arbcom candidate userbox
28 A proposal
29 User:Pictureman
30 Images
31 I want to learn from your constructive criticism
32 *Sigh*
33 Typewriters
34 An Esperanzial note
35 Wikipediology Elections
36 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[edit] deletion of Heuristic Squelch

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I noticed that you deleted "Heuristic Squelch." I am surprised, as the research I posted to the VfD discussion showed, I believe, that the entry was indeed notable. I did not see any rebuttal to my entry in the five or so days before you deleted the entry. As I do not believe a consensus was reached, I believe we should reinstate the article. If anyone wishes to address the claims of notability, we could then work towards a consensus.

Please note, I do not have a connection to the publication, but merely have read it and am aware of its existence. --Zippy 06:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I have re created the article, and submitted it for another AFD, with mention of the evidence you presented. If you wish to comment there, feel free. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 08:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Dee_Brown_(Illini)

I must respectfully disagree with you re your speedy deletion of the Dee Brown (Illini) page. I do not believe it met the criteria. I have added some external links & the appropriate stub to the article, and have recreated it. Please let me know if you're unhappy with this. Thanks Jackk 08:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe that the original article was a CSD, but the new one is not. However, I still don't believe that the article should be kept, so I'm going to AFD it. Nothing personal. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 08:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] cafe pruckl - I challenge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caf%C3%A9_Pr%C3%BCckel

[edit] apropos cafe pruckl

Your response is a bit generic - "If you wish to protest a deletion, you may do so at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. Ingoolemo talk 08:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)"

according to the link you reference, "Deletion Review is the process to be used by all editors, including administrators, who wish to challenge the outcome of any deletion debate or a speedy deletion unless:

   * They are able to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question;..."

I would prefer to have a discussion with you. In what way was my entry "absolutely unencyclopedic"?

With the exception of the first sentence (which should have been trimmed to 'It is a Viennese coffeehouse'), the article was nothing more than random musings about various things related to the coffeehouse and some advice about how to avoid a tip. An encyclopedia is a collection of knowledge in a factual, organised fashion. The musings in the article are neither factual, nor verifiable, nor relevant. Furthermore, the article suffered from a lack of context (Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Articles reason 1). Ingoolemo ^talk 09:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia's definition for "encyclopedia" includes "...The encyclopedia as we recognize it today developed in the 18th century from the dictionary. A dictionary is primarily focused on words and their definition, and typically provides limited information, analysis or background for the word defined. Hence, while it may offer a definition, it may leave the reader still lacking in understanding the meaning or import of a term, and how the term relates to a broader field of knowledge.

To address those needs, an encyclopedia seeks to discuss each subject in more depth and convey the most relevant accumulated knowledge on that subject, given the overall length of the particular work..."

I believe that I have contributed relevant knowledge. In the absence of an alternative entry for the Cafe Pruckl, my entry represents the full sum of relevant accumulated knowledge on that subject.

In specific response to your challenge (of my challenge), I fear you have misread me.

1-I never discussed avoiding a tip. I gave information on how to give an appropriate tip. I have spent hundreds of hours at this cafe, over the last 15 years. I have friends and relatives who have been visiting this cafe for decades. The tipping code in Vienna ranges around 2%. Tipping more is actually received with contempt. An overtipper is quickly recognized as an ignorant tourist.

2-My musings are arguably factual. They're based on my experience of this cafe. I'm glad to discuss, with others, who have had factual experiences of this cafe, the accuracy of my observations.

3-My musings are both verifiable and relevant. They discuss the (admittedly) subjective art of having an appropriate culturally immersive experience of this cafe. That's much more relevant than simply announcing 'It is a Viennese coffeehouse'. And my entry is verifiable, simply by going to the Cafe Pruckl, and following my advice.

4-My entry was full of context. The context of the experience of the Cafe Pruckl. In contrast to *no* entry for the Cafe Pruckl, my entry is infinitely more contextual. To address your specific reference to (Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Articles reason 1), "...Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context to allow expansion. Google may help in determining context, though, and allow for the article's expansion."

If you have an alternative entry, or would like to work with me to create an appropriate entry for the Cafe Pruckl, I would enjoy that. From your archives, you have extensive experience with wikipedia. I was surprised and delighted to find a gap that I could fill, in wikipedia, a resource that I use regularly and respect. Thanks for your time.

Well Kris, I'm sorry to be so harsh and absolute, but I don't think that your article merits inclusion, and I probably won't change my mind. You can still submit a WP:VFU if you'd like, but the results probably won't be any different. I'm sorry. Ingoolemo ^talk 16:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the deletion </sarcasm>

I love how people actually notify you that something is up for deletion... (yeah it was marked no source by an ip and not you... i'm still sorta pissed)

Image:Crazyleggs int.jpg was never pointed out to me as a no source... so now I have to go track it back down and reupload it. In the future would you kindly check to see if someone was notified before you delete an uploaded image? ALKIVAR™ 22:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Piper PA-12 is (was) an improper redirect that needs deletion

...that's about all there is. I forgot that clearing a redirect doesn't redlink the topic. Later, man. ericg ✈ 00:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

hoo, you're fast. ericg ✈

[edit] You're welcome

You're very welcome. The script is simply an AutoHotkey script that copies the selected user names into variables and then forms an edit summary with another hotkey. I don't know any Javascript, but I would like to learn it some day =) —Bmdavll ^talk 21:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

what the hell do you think you are doing erasing my entry

[edit] Response to logos

I have looked up the website, and I have seen its disclaimer statement, according to which:

All logos depicted at this site should be regarded as being the property of the respective team or league. You should absolutely not try to make money by printing these helmet images onto something and then selling it. Nor do you have the right to use these images for financial gain. [1]

Because of this caveat, the images are almost certainly unavailable for commercial use, and therefore incompatible with Wikipedia, unless tagged with {{fairusein}}. I am beginning the tagging process now. Ingoolemo ^talk 19:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, all the images are taken care of. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 19:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] no source images

Hello,

I had a general questions. I no source tagged a bunch of images from the Wikipedia:Untagged images page. Today I noticed from my watch list that you nsd tagged them. Did I tag them wrong? What is the difference between no source and nsd and when should one be used in preference to the other. --Kaiserb 18:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I created {{nsd}} this morning as a way of thinning out CAT:NS. In terms of policy, there's no difference between {{nsd}} and {{no source}}. The difference is the categories that the template puts the image in. For example, {{no source|December 5}} puts the image in Category:Images with unknown source, but {{nsd|December 5}} puts the image in Category:Images with unknown source: December 5. Any admin clearing out CAT:NS will know for certain that images in the latter category can be deleted after December 12, whereas in the former category they'd have to go through all the individual images looking for ones that could be deleted.

The short version: nsd makes things slightly easier for admins on patrol. Ingoolemo ^talk 18:38, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

And with regards to when one is preferred: the nsd tag should always be preferred if you agree with the goals I state above. If you disagree with the importance of my goals or believe that there's something wrong with using the nsd, then don't use it. Ingoolemo ^talk 18:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks much. I will mark the images nsd in the future.

[edit] 9/11 conspiracy theories/September 11 researchers

Hi; I wrote to Ombudsman asking what he wanted to do about 9/11 conspiracy theories/September 11 researchers. I haven't heard back, so I intend to put the page up for AfD. Tom Harrison ^(talk) 15:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Corsica.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Corsica.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairusein|article name}} or {{fairuse}}. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by going to "Your contributions" from your user page and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. Ingoolemo ^talk 18:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

The Corsica image came from the French Wikipedia site. Ksnow 17:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Ksnow

I know it came from the French site, but you need to specify its exact URL. I haven't been able to find the image on the French Wikipedia, because it has a different name and isn't used in the French article on Corsica. Ingoolemo ^talk 17:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

At the time I borrowed it, I think it was in the article on Corsica. Ksnow 17:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)Ksnow

I checked through the history of the french page (fr:Corse), and I couldn't find any occurrences of the image around the time that it was uploaded. An fr:Image:Corse.png did exist, but it has since been deleted. In short, I can't verify the source. Ingoolemo ^talk 19:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Daniel_Johnson_Sr.jpg

I have added detailed information on the source. Thank you for watching out for Wikipedia! --Liberlogos 03:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza elections

Hi Ingoolemo/Archive 05: This is a quick note just to let you know that there's an election under way at Esperanza. If you'd like to become a candidate for Administrator General or the Advisory Council, just add your name here by 15 December 2005. Voting begins at 12:00UTC on 16 December.

You've received this spam because you signed up for it here. To stop the spam, pop over and remove yourself and you'll never hear from Esperanza again!

➨ ❝R E DVERS❞ 19:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion Of Tara Singh Hayer's Page

Hi,

I'm not sure if this is the right way to do this. But here goes. You deleted a a page on Tara Singh Hayer on November 10th. I can't seem to find any discussion of the deletion process and as a reason you listed this.

06:39, 10 November 2005 Ingoolemo deleted "Tara Singh Hayer" (content was: '

This page may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion. The given reason is: it is a test page.

If you disagree with its speedy deletion, please explain why on its talk page or at Wikipedia:Speedy deletions. If this page obviously does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice, but do not remove this notice from articles that you have created yourself.

Administrators, remember to check if anything links here, the page history (last edit) and any revisions of CSD before deletion .

aha banda chori karda fareya geya,,, aha jhapa yawahi da sala mera bala aukha hunda c hunle pange')

Was there a reason for the deletion?

[edit] template if tags

have apparently been added. once my finals are done (friday woo) we should give them a look. ericg ✈ 14:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

This is absolutely mind-blowing. I just added useful load to the template, but it will only show up if it's included! As loaded weight is also somewhat rare, I've added that as an IF check as well. ericg ✈ 20:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your name on TV

"John Seigenthaler Sr. mentioned your username on CSPAN about an hour ago. He was using it as an example of the unprofessional-sounding names of Wikipedia's administrators, trying to imply that Wikipedia is run by kids. :) — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-9 16:10"

Can you give me I link? You've really piqued my interest. Ingoolemo ^talk 06:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Click the first link at [2]. You need the latest RealPlayer to get it to work. It's video with audio, and the discussion of user names occurs at about 27:30. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-16 12:27

[edit] News from Esperanza

Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Wikipedia:Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?)

This message was delivered to all Esperanza members by our acting messenger, Redvers. If you do not wish to receive further messages, please list yourself at WP:ESP/S. Thanks.

[edit] Lynah Rink

Was that picture you removed in copyright violation? Cornell Rockey 17:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It didn't have adequate information on its source, and was deleted seven days after it was tagged with Template:No source, as per the Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Ingoolemo ^talk 23:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Resolution

I used to make images 400 or 500px-wide too, but now I don't usually make them larger than 350px, unless it's a diagram. — ₀₉₁₈^BRIAN • 2005-12-19 23:35

[edit] World Citizen userbox, {{User:1ne/Userboxes/User world}}

Hi, I noticed the message saying you're a World Citizen, I would like to invite you to add {{User:1ne/Userboxes/User world}} to your user page if you wish to proclaim it in a more effective way, and this template will also add you automatically to the Wikipedians with World Citizenship category. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle 23:54, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

You seem to have done the above the long way, which may be why you list under "U". As I've just mentioned on Selina's talk page, the "tl" doesn't work, apparently, but just using "{{world}}" does. Robin Patterson 04:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tolkien languages

Please have a look at http://tolkienlanguages.wikicities.com. Robin Patterson 04:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] article merger request

Traffic pattern and Circuit (airfield) need to be merged at airfield traffic pattern, per discussion on the talk pages. If you could help with the technical side of this, that would be great of you. Also, Merry Christmas! (and/or appropriate cultural winter holiday!) ericg ✈ 00:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Just drop me a line when and if you need the technical side taken care of. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 17:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Looks like someone else already did the deed. Thanks either way. ericg ✈ 05:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrote Up a User Page

Hey, just wanted to let you know I finally wrote up a userpage. You should check it out and tell me what you think. By the way, I'm starting to understand those tables now, thanks for the help. Useless Fodder 09:15, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Database To Add Interwiki

Hello, this is Master Bob from the English OGame wiki. Basicaly I was wondering if you understood this> Wikimedia:Help:Guide_for_system_administrators_for_setting_up_interwiki_linking < at all. And I shall talk to WTDB to give you sysop status. Unless of course I can, but i do not believe it so. --Master Bob 02:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

NVM. --Master Bob 02:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arschgeige

You suck. I hate you. Bastage!

[edit] Arbcom candidate userbox

Greetings. I've made a new userbox for arbcom candidates to show on their userpages so that visiters will know they're running.

{{User arbcom nom}}

If you'd like to place it on your userpage, feel free. Regards, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 02:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A proposal

Okay. So I've come to the conclusion that you are in fact lacking socially. Therefore, I propose that we interact on a social level. Perhaps, coffee?

--Miss inarticulate 10:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Pictureman

Do you think it'd be safe to put up those image for deletion. The sizes are all off, none have any camera marks as if they were self-taken. I added no source to one... but am not sure that's correct. What do you think should be done about them? (I saw you added something to his talk page). gren グレン ^? 02:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Gren. It seems his talkpage never even existed, so I don't know what pictures you're referring to. Ingoolemo ^talk 05:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, commons:User_talk:Pictureman. Not sure how I ended up posting that on EN. gren グレン ^? 13:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, the 'no source' tag wouldn't be applicable. I'm fairly certain that the only way to dispute the alleged source would be through the normal deletion process. If you word your case against the images carefully, you should have a good chance of getting them deleted, but there's no guarantee. Cheers and good luck, Ingoolemo ^talk 17:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Ok , and thank you for your kind words. --CltFn 03:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I want to learn from your constructive criticism

Hi Ingoolemo: First of all, thank you for voting on the arbitration elections, even if your vote was against me. Believe it or not, I like it when people call me naive or what was the other thing you said.

The reason is that, I like the constructive criticism. I think you can help me out by letting me know which areas you think I can improve and then I can work on those areas. As much as I have written here (3 years and counting now trust me and it never gets old!) I always look to improve because after all, we are an internet spectre (everyone sees us, so we need to be the best writers we can be), and because of that, any suggestion you may have for my writing style to be improved will be greatly appreciated.

Anyways, thanks for everything, and God bless you! I hope we can become wiki-friends!

Sincerely yours, Antonio McCartney's Lover Martin

I guess that the issue is not that you aren't qualified, but that we have differences in opinions about the issues. Thus, I can't merely recommend, 'you could do X better.' Rather, I'll have to present my own values and vision for Wikipedia to you, and attempt to persuade you to accept them. Whether or not you choose to embrace my philosophy is your choice, of course. I hardly expect you to abandon your beliefs in order to gain votes. In short: though we respect each other, we don't agree with each other.

As per your request, I will eventually post some soundsnacks of my opinions for you to mull over. Unfortunately, as you may have noted from my Candidate Questions page, I'm not always timely about getting around to such things. But I promise that I'll post more some time in the next few weeks. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 04:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sigh

You're so picky. It's just a userpage(not to mention I'm just getting used to the whole wiki formatting thing). Html is more second nature. I did however take your advice, if that's any consolation. Thanks. You still haven't taken me up on my proposal. Are you too good for Addie Lass, is that it? P.S. It's italicization, not italicisation. --Miss inarticulate 02:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be picky, I'm just dropping some helpful hints that make formatting easier. And it is 'italicisation' in the rest of the world. With regards to socialisation between us, we'll have to talk in person. I loathe electronic social interaction, one reason why I vow not to have a phone as soon as I have a choice. Ingoolemo ^talk 04:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the commonwealth, as you should very well know but let's not argue. Woah, you and I have something viable in common :I loathe electronic social interaction, one reason why I vow not to have a phone as soon as I have a choice. Who knew? It's almost like you took the words right out of my head. Talk to you in person soon.--Miss inarticulate 05:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Typewriters

Kendle told me you have a collection of typewriters. Is this true? Because I would like to buy one from you. Maybe that's how we can interact socially. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 02:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Cel e stianpower ^háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | ^Θ 04:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

Hi and cheers for commenting on the FAC F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - I've taken note of your comments and applied them --PopUpPirate 08:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've reviewed your changes and I'm satisfied with them. I've changed my vote to support on the FAC, and will work on polishing the article a bit over the next few days. Congratulations on your effort, and I wish you good luck. Postscript: what was wrong with the specs template? I'll probably be able to fix the problem if you let me know what it is. Generally, we try to put all specifications in the template to ensure standard formatting. Cheers, Ingoolemo ^talk 17:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments and support! The problem with the template was that even though when editing it said :

area main=459.6 ft² area alt=42.7 m²

it gave the figures for span. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F-35_Joint_Strike_Fighter&oldid=38979397

Thx again --PopUpPirate 19:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

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