Template talk:Infobox Scotland place/Archive 1
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Vandalism of this template
This template is being persistently vandalised by the Association of British Counties campaign. Please desist.--Mais oui! 14:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
- You are seriously deluded. There is no campaign; the ABC have nothing to do with it. This template is part of a UK series with a standard layout. You are the one that started changing it to suit your PoV. I am merely restoring it. Owain (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Your actions part of a deliberate campaign of obfuscation, disruption and deceit.--Mais oui! 16:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Campaign by the Association of British Counties and County Watch
This template has become a target for the pressure groups the Association of British Counties and County Watch. Their representative here at Wikipedia, User:Owain, has been persistently changing all references to counties in Scotland to the present verb tense (they were abolished in 1975) and applying the word "historic" or "traditional" to them, which is utter, utter nonsense: they were only created in 1889, and lasted for barely 86 years.
Having lost the argument over at Counties of Scotland he has taken to targeting the templates, see also:
I urge all Users who care about factual accuracy here at Wikipedia to prevent this malicious political campaign and to restore academic standards to the project.--Mais oui! 15:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- From Britannica on Ayrshire- "historic county, southwestern Scotland"/ Quite obvious that the term "historic" is used for the Scottish counties. Astrotrain 21:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
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- And some people seem to be confusing historic as in "in the past" with historic as in "significant". I've said this before, I'll say it again: to claim that Fife is the "historic county of Fife" is absurd, historically it is the Kingdom of Fife. Historical county might be acceptable, former county is acceptable, but "historic" as it is now is pushing an agenda which is shared by only a tiny minority. These coun ties appear to have existed for slightly less than a hundred years. Just zis Guy you know? 11:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- It can be both the historic Kingdom of Fife AND the historic county of Fife. I don't see what problem there is with this when used in different contexts. If you are getting your facts on Scottish counties from this article then you are getting completely the wrong idea as it has been edited by Mais Oui! to suit a particular PoV. They evolved over many centuries and were the basis of local government between 1890 and 1975 but just because they are no longer used as the basis of local government DOES NOT mean they are not used in other contexts. Owain (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- So why does it say "historic county" instead of "historic kingdom"? Oh, wait, there is no rpessure group campaigning for the re-creation of kingdoms, is there? Just zis Guy you know? 16:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ayrshire, the area, is most certainly historic (although the "-shire" suffix seems only have been added in the 18th century). The county alas is not: it was a temporary flash-in-the-pan in the long history of local government in Scotland.--Mais oui! 14:14, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Country v. Nation
It seems to me that Country is neutral, Nation implies nationalism. Just zis Guy you know? 18:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Request for consensus: Should we include the Gaelic and Scots names in Infobox for every Scottish place?
Please see the discussion relating to this Infobox at:
--Mais oui! 16:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Arms
Someone recently added the dundee coat of arms to the dundee page and I was thinking it would look better if it could be placed in the infobox like it is in the sheffield page which is a featured article. But I couldn't see a way of doing it with the current fields, would it be possible to add such capability to this. Ydam 19:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
- The arms are actually awarded to Dundee City Council rather than the settlement so should be inserted into the infobox on City of Dundee. Mrsteviec 22:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- That is true but the dundee article has a section on it's politics and government. I think that article should have a copy of the arms in the same way most other city articles do, Ydam 01:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Recent changes to country flag
This infobox is about Scotland, so the flag which should be shown at the bottom is the Flag of Scotland.
User:88.109.57.142 has been changing this to the flag of the UK, among many other edits in articles removing the word "Scotland" and replacing it with uk or britian.
I can't keep checking up and reverting these edits any more this evening. - calum 21:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
On usage notes
It would be really, really helpful if the usage notes were clarified. For example, under nameG if it said "local name in Gaelic." This especially applies to the lieutenancy through postal town area. I'm legally Scottish (my mother was born in raised there) but do not live there myself, and so I am at a loss for how to fill in certain areas of this infobox. Since a lot of wikipedians wander around the site, clicking on 'random article' and seeing where they can help, I feel that adding more information for non-Scots would be useful. Thanks! -Elizabennet 02:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Scotland place2
Why does this apparently redundant duplicate exist? should it be deleted? YDAM TALK 18:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Post Town Usage
Could anyone clarify what is supposed to be entered under 'Post Town'. Should this be the 'Main' post town as listed at List of post towns in the United Kingdom - i.e. the one in bold, or the actual post town (i.e. not necessarily the one in bold type), as would be used when addressing a letter? Seajay 15:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Islands
I just want to open up a discussion. Can/should this template be used for Scottish islands? Would it be better to set up a new one with a similar structure (as, for example, it may be useful to have ferry routes included with islands and there seems to be a need to include language - ie, English 'and' Gaidhlig or English or Gaidhlig)? Any opinions welcome. MRM 13:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
