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Contents 1 NFL Project 2 Name? 3 Team Color 4 College Football HoF too? 5 SUGGESTIONS? 6 Caption? 7 Records Format 8 Broken 9 Size 10 ImageWidth parameter even work? 11 Problem 12 Height and weight 13 Undrafted 14 Retired players 14.1 Poll 15 Infobox proposal 16 Colors to agree upon 17 Offical team hex colors DO exist, why fake 'em?

[edit] NFL Project

Further discussion available at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#NFL_player_infobox.3F. --Arcadian 22:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

Maybe it is just me, but wouldn't it make sense for a person infobox to include,say, the person's name?? Circeus 15:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

We can add it if you like. Personally, I think the convention of repeating the name (or film title, etc.) in infoboxes is a waste of space, since the box always appear at the top of the article where the person's name already appears in big or bold text at least twice (e.g. Bill Clinton). ×Meegs 16:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, the point of an infobox is to provide some basic information about the topic in a structured way, right? When i see an infobox,I expect that glancing at it will tell me what the article's about. Circeus 19:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Team Color

Can we make the gray box that says Teams, any color for players that are currently playing like Nick Barnett green for the Packers? Thanks --Phbasketball6 00:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I strongly dislike the idea for aesthetic reasons. On a practical note, I suspect that some team colors are too dark to sufficiently contrast the black text. If it were done, white text, as we have on on Template:Infobox MLB player, would probably be the only way to do. If you want to pursue this, I suggest posting a topic to WP:NFL. ×Meegs 23:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] College Football HoF too?

Would it be possible to make a orange cell for members of the College Football Hall of Fame in the same manner as the Pro Football HoF? I always find it interesting who was one, but not the other, and who was both. Any thoughts? Who knows how to do this? —Xanderer 04:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. --MECU≈talk 15:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

YES! YOU ARE THE MAN! If you want something done, ask a Marine —Xanderer 17:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SUGGESTIONS?

SO HOW DOES ONE MAKE A SUGGESTION AND HAVE IT DISCUSSED?

[edit] Caption?

Could somebody better with templates than I add an optional "image caption" parameter? Danke... —Chowbok 18:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Records Format

I have seen the records item displayed a few ways. The most common way (from viewing maybe 3 other players) is the following: Team Name RECORD TITLE (NUMBER)
Team Name RECORD TITLE #2 (NUMBER #2)

This causes the infobox to widen in most casesand causes unnecessary repetition of team names. I would like top propose the adoption of the following:

Team Name
RECORD TITLE (NUMBER)
RECORD TITLE #2 (NUMBER #2)

I have used Chris Cooley as an example of my newly proposed format. You can check Walter Payton for the other style and Barry Sanders for yet another! I'd just like to see this standardized.

[edit] Broken

This template seems broken. Can someone else check it and fix it? --Guinnog 09:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed; _→AzaToth 17:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

The DatabaseFootball parameter still is not working.--BillFlis 12:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Size

Does this infobox really need to take up the entire screen? It's huge! It's much, much larger than other projects' infoboxes. The infoboxes for mountains, dinosaurs, and countries all sit to the right of the text, not above it. Why on Earth does this need to be this big? Also, on a somewhat related note, what's up with that neon green and orange? The colors, combined with the size, really make this a distracting addition to articles. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 16:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Where are you seeing the template behave like this? As far as I can tell it appears in the upper right like most other templates. (examples: Warren Moon, Bronko Nagurski, Tony Dorsett) And I'n not seeing neon green either. Please point me in the the direction of what you are seeing. —Xanderer 16:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Peyton Manning is where I first noticed it. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 20:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it looks like you've fixed it since I commented. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 20:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This version is what I saw when I went to revert vandalism to Peyton Manning's article. At first I thought the vandalism had caused it, but then I noticed that it was the template, not the article. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 20:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ImageWidth parameter even work?

Am I just stupid or is it not working? I want Ronde Barber to be 100px, not 200px! --Jemijohn 20:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the Image Width so your able to ajust the size. --Phbasketball6 22:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not working. I don't know what's wrong but Ronnie Lott's pic which I uploaded needs to be made smaller, as it's pixelated. Quadzilla99 19:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it is, you were just using the wrong parameter name. It's ImageWidth :) ×Meegs 20:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem

Something's up with this template at Rod Smart (it's adding a --> at the beginning of the article in addition to including the template), but I can't figure out what. The problem's been there for quite some time it appears from the history. Would someone mind taking a look? -Elmer Clark 03:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Height and weight

I'd like to see something added as to where the height and weight could be added to the infobox. --Zimbabweed 14:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Me, too. --Bender235 03:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Just did it. --Bender235 03:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Zimbabweed 18:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Undrafted

If one enters only a DraftedYear but no DraftedRound, the template should display "NFL Draft {{DraftedYear}} undrafted". Can someone program this? --Bender235 17:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retired players

In an effort to improve the general quality of the Rutgers football coverage on Wikipedia, I have recently been doing a few things, including creating articles for former Scarlet Knights who played in the NFL and editing pre-existing ones. One of the changes I made was to add this template to pages that lacked it, as well as giving each infobox the team colors as none of the players are in the NFL anymore. I just found out that Phbasketball6 reverted my edits, however there is no policy against what I did, and I think the color schemes are appropriate as the articles are most likely to be of more interest for the players' college careers. 204.52.215.115

Personally, I dislike the use of any team colors in the infobox, but that's just my opinion. What you need to do, 204, is to contact Phbasketball6, and politely ask why they have been reverting your edits; it may not be for the reason that you think. Both of you could stand to improve your edit summaries, too. ×Meegs 08:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the commonly-agreed-upon-but-not-official-policy is that the infoboxes may display team colors whilst the player is on the active roster of an NFL team, but revert back to LightSteelBlue with black type once the player has retired. I've been operating under this assumption and am pretty sure Phbasketball6 is as well. —xanderer 15:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Xanderer is right. "LightSteelBlue" and "Black" for retired players. --Bender235 17:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Color should be on all retired football players considering the LightSteelBlue and Black is just ugly--Bucs10 03:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Bucs10

We only use colors to show what team an active player is playing for. We don't need it for retired players. —Bender235 12:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No only for the active When I enable the colors for the NFL Template at first I wanted only active players to have the colors. Then after a while I then thought that the colors should be for retired players on the team that they where more notable on in their career. But now when I'm starting to see that people are putting the players college colors in and their last team that they were with, like Deion Sanders with the Ravens colors and Bill Romanowski with the Raiders colors when they didn't do much on those teams. Now after seeing those changes, and people have decisions like those, I change my mind, only present players and coaches should have the colors. Sorry for any confussion on my decision for the past two months. --Phbasketball6 21:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

What is the point of not having any colors, it looks like crap without color--Bucs10 22:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)Bucs10

"Looks like crap" and "is appropriate for an encyclopedia" aren't one in the same. It's not our job to build a website that appeals to fans of retired NFL players or that's necessarily the most visually stunning or appealing, it's our job to represent information in a consistent and encyclopedic manner. Since the entire class of "retired NFL players" includes at least one (for the sake of discussion) "exception" to the rule that all NFL players can be identified to exactly one NFL team, we cannot use that rule to determine the visual style for an infobox. (Not to mention what looks like crap to one user may look great to another.) — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 22:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

well whatever i am leaving the color on the pages i started--Bucs10 00:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Bucs10

I think the team colors look nicer than the default steel color. Some players retire primarily with one team like Terry Bradshaw and Bart Starr. Even players like Joe Montana spent a great majority of their careers with the 49ers and should keep the 49er color to illustrate what team he played for. It'd be silly to think of him as a great Chiefs player. But that's as far as I'd go. I don't see any need to change it for these cases, but for players like Woodson, White, and Sanders: leave it the default.++aviper2k7++ 18:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you aviper2k7, but the thing is that someone (like a newbie) will look at the color for Joe Montana's box and then have the idea to put the color in all of the retired players infobox. --Phbasketball6 20:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

People will probably put colors on the template anyways. It's going to be a struggle either way, but I think most people will understand that a person with multiple teams should be left with the default color.++aviper2k7++ 18:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be for players who played for one team for there entire career or, players who spent most of there career for a team, or the team they had the most success. For the Players who were not that good and played for like 5 teams, then they shouldnt have color. Like guys like Bertrand Berry shouldn't have color when they retire, but players like Simeon Rice should.--Tex123 23:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Tex123

Yeah, all those lousy five-team players like Deion Sanders, Wilber Marshall, and Eric Metcalf. ►xanderer  19:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think players who were notable (i.e. pro bowlers) should have color. I originally had it as last team they played for, but I now believe it should be team they were best known for. But YES, colors should be in the boxes. Crazy Canadian 17:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Poll

Team colors for retired players? Please vote. (ends on April 10. 2007)

Yes (team colors for retired players)

1. - Bucs10 22:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
2. — Footballfan1 00:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
3. (only for real obvious examples like Bart Starr and Terry Bradshaw) — ++aviper2k7++ 18:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
4. - ChrisJNelson (for guys remembered for one team over the others, definitely)Chris Nelson 22:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
5. - Tex123 23:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
6. -  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  22:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

No (LightSteelBlue and Black for retired players)

1. — Bender235 14:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
2. — (I cite the Reggie White paradox.[1]) xanderer 14:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
3. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 14:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
4. — Pepto gecko 21:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
5. — Phbasketball6 21:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
6. — –King Bee ^{(τ • γ)} 19:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
7. - No except a handful of obvious ones--Wizardman 01:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
8. — The color pattern is so inaccurate (see my comments below) I'm changing my vote until that's addressed. I'd rather not have it on any templates than have it highly inaccurate on 1/3 of third of them. Quadzilla99 04:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox proposal

Comment I took it out of the Taylor infobox, so I altered these comments. Quadzilla99 04:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The current infobox can't display the New York Giants red color (their second most prominent color) because it makes the template unreadable. Currently red is left out entirely making the template bland and worse inaccurate. See Lawrence Taylor. The MLB box incorporates other colors on some levels, see Mark Prior and Francisco Liriano and look infinitely better. I would propose changing the template to allow the same option. Quadzilla99 14:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The current system also creates a problem for Tampa Bay Buccaneers players infoboxes concerning readability, see Ronde Barber and Jermaine Phillips the Stats line of the infobox could be the secondary color, much like the MLB debut is on the MLB infobox is. This would make the teams' two main colors appear on the infobox and the font could then be white (which every uniform uses in the NFL), which would make the teamplate readable and accurate. Quadzilla99 14:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I really can't see how this would be done. The amount of header bars vary depending on the person. Compare almighty P. J. Pope to Brett Favre. Would you alternate lines? I'm not even sure if it'd look better for some teams. I can see for the Giants it looking nice, but what about the Packers? Is this how it would look? Maybe an option of being able to edit the second header bar (whatever section that may be) would be nice for some teams, but I think most of the teams right now look fine where they are right now.++aviper2k7++ 23:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well there's supposed to be at least a stats and teams section always isn't there? Even for rookies I think you put the cbs stats thing in there in stats header (I think like it is on Tiki Barber and L.T.). The stats header could be the alternate color or perhaps whatever comes second (sometimes there is a career highlight section). Granted it's not a problem for The Packers because their infobox look fine but the Bucs and Giants are another case (the Bucs is near unreadable and the Giants doesn't include blue—Imagine a Packers template with just Green and White). Maybe it could be a secondary option for teams like the Bucs and Giants. Quadzilla99 00:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

About the Favre example the font would alwaye be white I would believe. As for a tally of the teams, currently the Browns leave out orange which is their primary helmet color, the Giants and Bills leave out red and blue respectively, the Texans leave out red, the Dolphins leave out Orange, and the Chiefs leave out yellow. None of those teams have white as their secondary colors to my view (The Colts, Jets, Eagles, and Cardinals probably would have white as their second most prominent color). Also the Bucs template is near unreadable. Quadzilla99 00:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

This would be fine as it wouldn't be necessary on most of the player bio pages, just the teams with two contrasting colors. The Texans are a case also. An extra option should be set up and it would overwrite the Stat or Highlights colors. I'm not sure if I am capable of this, however.++aviper2k7++ 00:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally it might not look too bad for the Packers, see how Barry Zito used to look, the A's have similar colors:[2] Quadzilla99 01:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Colors to agree upon

Okay it'd be nice to agree on colors now because I see colors changing over and over again. The only one that I changed completely was atlanta, where I inverted the black and red because the black text on a red background looked painful.

So lets talk about any that need changing and if none need changing, lets start enforcing the same color.++aviper2k7++ 20:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

See my comments above. Quadzilla99 21:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a thought - what would be the possibility of adding some sort of parameter to the infobox that would apply the correct colors based on the team that is specified? Similar to, I suppose, what's done with Category:Party colours templates. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally the example used for the Houston Texans is inaccurate. It's Mario Williams and it doesn't match the color sample. Quadzilla99 00:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

PSU, would anyone be capable of doing this? That would be an ideal idea (lol). And the Texans are a team I saw with about ten different colors. Which color should we use?++aviper2k7++ 00:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think I have an idea of how it could be done. I'm away today and tomorrow for a job interview but I'll try to work on something over the weekend. The Texans' colors that you have above look good to me, except that they're pretty close to the Giants'. If what I have in mind works out, we would have one set of colors that could be used across all team-related templates, including navboxes. I'll get back to you when I'm back on campus and can work on this. — PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 01:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

check this out

Template:Infobox American Political Party Template:Green Party (United States)/meta/color

| colspan="2" bgcolor="{{Template:{{{party_articletitle}}}/meta/color}}"|

Okay we might be able to do this if we set up a parameter something simple like Team and then {{Template:{{{Team}}}/meta/color}}" But the problem with this is that there's only one color. I'm sure this could be worked around. Something similar has been done so it shouldn't be too impossible++aviper2k7++ 01:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that the font color for the Eagles could be silver, the panthers should be revearsed the black should be the font color and blue outer, Falcons should have black font color and red outer. The 49ers won't work out because it looks like the Redskins color. The Bills won't work out either red and then just white? The Texans and Giants aren't working either, too much confusing for both. --Phbasketball6 03:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The Texans color should be |Color=#333333 |fontcolor=#cc3333 The Cowboys color should be the one Tony Romo has. The 49ers color should be revearsed. Thanks (From the one who activated the colors for the infobox in the first place) --Phbasketball6 03:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The cowboys cant be the same color as the Patriots--Bucs10 02:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)Bucs10

Really, like I said above as long as you stick to the two color system the whole thing is going to be inaccurate or unreadable for around 1/3 of the teams (see my comments above). The MLB system as I pointed out above is light years ahead. Quadzilla99 04:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Offical team hex colors DO exist, why fake 'em?

You may or may not be aware, each of these teams follows a very strict "corporate identity" manual which dictates every minute detail of how the team's logos and colors should appear in every conceivable situation. (CMYK printing, spot-color printing, silkscreen, textile dyes, plastics, on the internet…) For example the official "for web use" colors of the Washington Redskins are: