Template talk:Infobox Ice Hockey Player

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This template employs intricate features of template syntax.

Please do not alter it unless you understand its setup and parser functions and are ready to repair or revert all collateral damage if results are unexpected.
Any experiments should be conducted and all improvements tested in either the template sandbox or your user space before changing anything here.

	This article is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey, an attempt at building a useful ice hockey resource. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit the article attached to this page (see Wikipedia:Contributing FAQ for more information). Edit this message Ice hockey Portal
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.

1 Suggestions to improve the Template:
2 Pages this infobox appears on:

[edit] Suggestions to improve the Template:

/NHL Infobox Suggestions Archive

[edit] "Pro Career"

How, exactly, should we fill this in for Europeans? There seems to be some disagreement as to whether it's when a player's North American pro career begins (Mats Sundin) or when they join their respective country's elite league (Ales Hemsky). Any thoughts? Doogie2K 23:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

This template is not just for NHL players, thus this field is not just for a player's NHL career. For Europeans/Russians use the year they joined their country's top league as "career_start"". The field is Pro career, and top Euro leagues (SM-liiga, Swedish Elite League, Czech Extraliga, etc), as well as the Russian Hockey Super League are pro leagues. I don't think the problem is disagreement as much as ignorance Jaskaramdeep 16:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the Sundin thing was my fault. I was editing player pages en masse adding in the infobox and it totally slipped my mind to consider top foreign leagues. I'll go back to all the players I've added the template to later today and ensure that they're all fine. CptUnconscious 16:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's the rule I've been going by. Thanks for the clarification. I presume, though, we still list NHL only unless they only/predominantly play in Europe? One other question: what order should the former teams be listed as? That is, since the current team is on top, would you want them listed in reverse? Example: Dwayne Roloson - Do we put it Calgary-Buffalo-Minnesota, as it appears there, or Minnesota-Buffalo-Calgary, so that it scans Edmonton-Minnesota-Buffalo-Calgary, which is chronological. Okay, another damn question (I'm full of 'em): for Canadian and American players, should we list province/state under birth? Seems like something that can be done in the article, whereas the infobox can just be "Calgary, CAN" for the sake of consistency with the Europeans, for whom provinces/states are seldom, if ever, listed. Doogie2K (talk) 23:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

If they are predominantly Euro/Russian players, use the {{{league}}} field to reflect that.

I don't think it really matters how you list the former teams; as long as they are former pro teams it should all be ok

I'm going with what you prefer - just city then country, but I don't have problems with adding province/state as an abbreviation for north american players. For ambitious wikipedians, listing the province/state as an abbreviation (just to keep the box from stretching too much horizontally) is fine too. Consistancy is not of supreme importance for this field - I think as long as the place of birth doesn't stretch the box too much it's all good Jaskaramdeep 16:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah like he said I don't think the order of the former teams are of great importance. I personally think they should be most recent on top and then down. --Djsasso 20:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been editing most of them with the most recent team on top. Maybe we should set a standard just so that all the new ones created are the same. I've noticed some people editing them and reordering them both ways, so it would also cut down on edits. Just a thought --Schmackity 20:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking at most articles it appears that we do have a standard with most recent team on top. --Djsasso 00:50, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Player Pictures

I know of the wiki rules about copyright so where can I/we find pictures that can be used on the player pages? I have read this on wikipedia sometime and I think that the article suggested that the NHLPA should be used for player pictures. Can anyone clarify?

Looking at the info box template with Alex Hemsky looks good, but where can we find pictures like this for use on wikipedia?

If the team includes pictures in their press releases, than those pictures are promotional images, although you might have to manually imput the code {{promophoto}}. (The one for Hemsky was actually taken by the uploader). So, there is a few options. Briememory 21:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I just added my first infobox on a player page, Fredrik Olausson's. The image was in the press release/article on the official league web page. I don't know if I did right witht the tag that you gave me but I think everyone understands what it means.--Krm500 19:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I just added a infobox on Tommy Salo's article and I have found a good photo of him but I'm not sure if it's allowed too be used. It is a promotional image for the team more then the player. [1] here is the picture, what do you more experienced wiki users think? --Krm500 23:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Okey, I have looked at some player pages today and I have found many images taken directly from articles and from sportsline images. Is this really alright? A high res image from sportsline used as a player picture? I was suprised when i saw this but if this really is legit (I doubt it though...) I have some really nice photos of players who doesn't have any images in their infoboxes. --Krm500 01:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Question (Prospects)

One more for the road: are players immediately not prospects as soon as they play an NHL game, or can they be reasonably considered prospects as long as they're rookie-eligible (under 26 and fewer than 25 games played, IIRC). I'm thinking of Yann Danis, who only played in six games, and spent the rest of the year in the AHL, and Wojtek Wolski, who played nine games for the Avs before returning to junior. Doogie2K (talk) 21:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure as to what you are refering. If you are talking about using the prospect feild for the AHL, that is perfectly acceptable if they are up and down throughout a season. If you are talking about the category, then a player is not considered a prospect when they assume a regular role in the NHL (which would be when they play under 10 AHL games a season). Briememory 21:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Which is pretty much what I've been doing, but going off a strict interpretation of the front page, it sounded like if they'd played in the NHL, they weren't prospects, which made no sense at all. I kind of figured that if they weren't NHL (or European professional) regulars, they'd fall under the prospect category. Doogie2K (talk) 23:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The way I have always looked at it is if they have never played in the NHL period they are a prospect because you can't fill in any of the NHL fields like team or former team etc. But once they play a game then you can. --Djsasso 18:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

When aiming at simplicity, I made an error on the front page for this field. Indeed, if a player goes for a couple of cups of coffee in the NHL, then is re-assigned, they are still prospects. I was going off the theory that a player would stick with the NHL team once called cup, but obviously this isn't always the case. When you reach a consensus, feel free to edit the front page to your liking. You're all doing a great job btw. 04:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Now sort of in relation to this, what about players like Nedved who has played a pretty long career in the NHL but has now been sent to the minors. Seems pretty rediculous to remove all the teams from the former_teams variable and put in his minor league history. I think it should either be the teams from his highest league played in or we need another variable. But if we put another variable it gets tricky cause you would have to do it for the top euro leagues as well and not just the NHL. But to suddenly take a player of Nedved's skil and make it look like he is a rookie just doesn't seem right. Now I understand with prospects who have played a single game etc in the NHL not having their NHL teams listed in the former teams but when a player has played as many years as my example I think something needs to be adjusted. Especially since this is going to happen more and more in the "new" NHL. --Djsasso 22:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I've started listing former NHLers (ex - Jan Hlavac and Radovan Somik) with the differing leagues after the team names. I saw this done somewhere else (I forget which article) and I thought it was a good idea. How this would translate to someone like Nedved, a player not playing in the top professional league of the country he is playing in, I'm not sure.

Fomer teams (or F. Teams as it is listed) doesn't necessarily imply it has to be the same as the league listed for the current team. Another thought: perhaps we shouldn't be making distinctions between professional teams? If they played professionally for a team, that team should be listed. Even for the most extreme examples (J.J. Daigneault), it wouldn't look that ridiculous. --Sparkhurst 09:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that listing all the pro teams might be a way to go. Or placing the differing leagues after the team names. I just think its somewhat rediculous to erase the achievments of someone who has made it to the top in their respective sport just because they aren't playing in that league anymore. (Edit: I actually just took a look at the leagues after the team names and really like how that looks.) --Djsasso 01:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The way the list looks at Wayne Gretzky may be another way of listing the teams. --Sparkhurst 06:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retired/Deceased Players

I do not think we should be added this template box to their pages. No offense to Sparkhurst, but when I see in big letters "deceased" on Pelle Lindbergh's page, it just doesn't feel right. So, I think that the right thing to do is to wait until Jaskaramdeep finishes with the retired player template. Briememory 20:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Or we could just put the word "None" in for current team since all the other fields would still apply. And since there is the option in the box already to put when their career ended. --Djsasso 20:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I just think that this is for current players. All I'm saying is that we should wait for a seperate template for retired players. Briememory 20:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand with what you are saying and totally agree that if thats what everyone wants then its all good. I personally think there should just be one single box for both retired and non-retired players for the sake of conformity. But lets hear what others think.--Djsasso 20:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Djsasso, it's how I've been structuring all the retired player pages I've made thus far. P.S. just put 'Retired' where it mentions current team, deceased is not necessary for those players that have passed.--RiverHockey

I removed the current team from Pelle Lindbergh. Now it doesn't list any of the former teams. Since Pelle only played for the Flyers this isn't really a big deal, but if I were to do the same for Jeff Hackett, the lengthy list of teams he played for will be gone. Instead of filling in RETIRED or DECEASED or leaving it blank, perhaps we should just fill in NONE? INACTIVE is another one to consider. --Sparkhurst 07:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I switched Jeff Hackett and Pelle Lindbergh to Retired, much like it appears at Steve Yzerman. --24.152.194.96 19:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Should we use the infobox on retired players? In my opinion we should. I just looked at the Bobby Orr article and it feels like something is missing from the article - a quick way too learn about the player. Just looking at the infobox you'll learn when the player was drafted and which NHL teams he has played for. Which position he played and where he is from. I can't recall seeing any famous retired player with an infobox, how come?

We could easyily put a retired section here on the talk page. What's everyones opinion? --Krm500 22:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I have been using a retired player infobox created by User:Jaskaramdeep for a number of players, including Bobby Clarke, Pelle Lindbergh, Jeff Hackett, Steve Yzerman, and so on. Bobby Orr would look like this. --Sparkhurst 00:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally would rather see a single box with optional fields that you can change depending on which situation you are using so the look stays the same. But I am easy and can go either way. --Djsasso 00:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I have been adding the infobox to many retired players, it looks fine, adding a sense of organization and accord for all hockey player pages. The only difference is I put Retired for current NHL team. Ex: Paul Baxter Creating seperate info boxes for retired players will look cluttered, this adds a certain 'harmony' or agreement, if you will, between all pages.--RiverHockey

I must also add that the user box for current players looks much more professional than those often used for retired players. Ex:Mario Lemieux infobox looks less professional than Ex:Sidney Crosby's. The infobox designed on this page with the blue dividers looks much more professional and compliments the wikipedia borders.--RiverHockey

I must agree. That's exactly my thoughts and exactly what I planned to do for putting retired in current team. I think that looks alot better than having a seperate box. --Djsasso 01:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Glad you agree, guess we should start adding the infoboxes to all NHL players. Perhaps there will finally be some unison in structure. --RiverHockey

Suggestion: if you are going to use the current players' template for all players, do not fill in the height and weight field for retired players. I wish there was a way to fix certain fields specifically for retired players (switching Shoots to Shot for example). The filling in Retired for NHL Team looks a little silly especially when you consider some inactive players are not retired but dead. Inactive would be the better alternative. I think something worth looking at would be to fill in all of a specific player's teams for the team field instead of former_teams. The only downside is all of the teams are in italics. Unless one was to edit the template to fix that or override that through some other means, it could be overlooked. --Sparkhurst 15:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe retired hall suffice, as practically all deceased players retired prior to departing, a few exceptions ofcourse, ie: Howie Morenz. Anyway to be dead is to be retired. As for height and weight, the hockey database still lists player ht & wt as of when they retired, just to give an idea of the size of the individual, ofcourse weight always varies from season to season anyway. I should be able to change shoots to shot, but the tense of minor terms is quite petty, and since the players are retired all teams are considered former teams. As long as the infobox has the same basic layout as to give unison amongst all hockey player pages it's adequate. --RiverHockey

Here, I tried to make a template that says shot rather than shoots, but it's my first attempt at making my own template and needless to say I need some assistance. Anyone with more experience able to amend my errors? The link: Template:Infobox Retired Ice Hockey Player Thanks. --RiverHockey

I edited the current infobox and it seems I added Shot and Caught successfully. I've managed to make it so the NHL Team field is not required. Now all I have to do is add a Played for field. --Sparkhurst 13:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

After much trial-and-error, I finally have it working correctly. The current infobox can now be used for both current and retired players. Example: Jeff Hackett. --Sparkhurst 14:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I started switching shoots to shot, etc. for retired players. --RiverHockey 15:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

SOMEONE has reedited the template making all of our edits worthless! Now many of the infoboxes have errors. Can you reinstate the edits you made, otherwise we can just use the template as is and put Retired for current team. --RiverHockey 21:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The original creator of the template, Jaskaramdeep, reverted the changes. I'm assuming he saw that an anonymous editor was tinkering with the template and thought the worst. I've reverted his revert and everything appears to be fine now. --Sparkhurst 22:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sparkhurst. Let's try adding these infoboxes to all hockey pages now. --RiverHockey 00:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I saw that a user with warnings for vandalizing templates made changes to this template. Was he wrongly accused or what? Jaskaramdeep 07:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

That was me. I haven't bothered signing in as of late. The particular generic dialup IP address that was logged for me while editing the template has been used by me only to edit hockey-related articles, yesterday (Oct. 12) and in late September (28-30). Yesterday was my first attempt at editing a template and I probably should have signed in then. --Sparkhurst 14:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Women's hockey

How should I use this template if I'm referring to a female hockey player? I'm basically looking at using it to add details to the individual pages of the 2006 Canadian women's Olympic team - Tabercil 22:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Concerns

Could somebody add an optional image caption field to this infobox? —Chowbok ☠ 04:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Country Flags

Where have the images for the country flags gone? Can somebody fix this so that they return? Thanks. RiverHockey 16:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Former team organization

Should the former teams for which a player has played, be he retired or still playing on a different team, be listed in order of most recent first or in order of who he played for? It would probably make more sense to be the latter, but I ask because they are organized different ways on different platyer pages. Bmitchelf 16:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

The latter is the case for most player pages I've come across. --207.69.137.42 08:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yup further up the page we talk about this and I believe it was decided that you do the most recent team first. --Djsasso 18:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retired and free agent players

For "Pages this infobox appears on," there is no appropriater place to put retired players, free agents, or players who have moved on to a different league after playing in the NHL. Since this page is becoming long, maybe the whole section could be moved to a different subpage, with these three different types of players as different headings, maybe for retirees, organized by who they played for most or last played for. Bmitchelf 16:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Since so many player articles have them already, it seems like it would be a waste of space and time to list every single player that has it. Perhaps the list should be changed to "pages without this infobox" or something like that? --207.69.137.42 08:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

This has been brought up before to a degree. --207.69.137.42 08:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template flagcountry2 instead of flagcountry

I've changed the template to use the new template:flagcountry2. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Flag Template/January 2007 rework. --Ligulem 13:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

And changed back to Template:flagcountry again now that the two are identical and flagcountry2 will be deprecated. Andrwsc 16:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image not showing up

i noticed that a user had attempted to add a photo to Roberto Luongo. i can't find anything wrong with his syntax; the image exists. but the photo is not displayed on the page. can someone take a look? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hexvoodoo (talk • contribs) 04:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Prospect league and team

These two fields are currently not enabled in the code;

prospect_league (for players who have been drafted by an NHL team, but have yet to play a game. Any entry into this field will also automatically place the title (prospect) next to the pro team listed)

prospect_team (for players who have been drafted, but have yet to play in the NHL)

Are there plans to add this code to the template? Please see John Tavares (ice hockey) for usage example. Currently unable to list Oshawa Generals and Ontario Hockey League as prospect team and league. Flibirigit 04:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

It is enabled. Check out Matt Pelech for an example. That being said. If you read that close you will see that it says "who have been drafted". These boxes are intended for people who have already turned pro. I have played around with the info in the Tavares infobox to try to get it to look half decent. But as mentioned its not intended for undrafted players. --Djsasso 07:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox Question

I propose that we add the name of the player to the top of the infobox like most infoboxes do.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 22:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birth date and age

Should the template Template:Birth date and age be used in the infobox? It's currently used in the actor infobox and I think it's a good feature to see the players age at a quick glance. --claes 08:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about this the other day but its daunting to have to go through every player page to change the way people have imputed that field. --Djsasso 16:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The reason I'm asking is that after I added the template on a page a user reverted my edit stating the template should not be used in the ice hockey player infobox. I've seen it beeing used on more than one player article though. --claes 23:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know...the point of the infobox is for everyone to be standard...so either everyone should have it or everyone should not have it. I don't have a preference either way. However if it is going to be used I think it should be coded right into the infobox itself. --Djsasso 00:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Official Site

I think I'll go ahead and add an official site, since it's optional, and many players now have official websites. Any other thoughts? Alex43223 ^{Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C} 22:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)