Talk:Indianapolis, Indiana

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The article could be improved by reorganizing some of the sections, adding better transitions, and perhaps moving some information to separate articles. That being said, I do not think the article is necessarily too lengthy; it just needs better editing. Several other city articles covering cities of similar size and importance as Indianapolis are just as long, and some are even longer.

I don't think the list of neighborhoods is silly, but I would pare it down to remove some of the more obscure neighborhoods.

The sections on crime and law enforcement could be combined and greatly scaled down.

I don't see a problem with covering some of the details of Unigov in the main city article, especially since it has had such a major impact on the history and development of the city; the main article should at least provide an overview and mention current efforts to expand Unigov. The specific Unigov article can provide a detailed examination of the city-county consolidation.

I agree the Klan section could be scaled down and there could be links to the other articles which cover the history of the Klan in Indiana.

Indiana Avenue and the African-American community which thrived along it made up an integral part of the city's cultural and social history. I think Indiana Avenue and its related jazz and blues musical heritage should be mentioned in the main city article and then a separate article could cover the topic in greater detail.

Finally, I don't see a problem with the history section of the main article as it simply provides an overview of the growth and development of the city. I do agree there should at least be a brief reference to Eli Lilly & Co and the major impact the company, the Lilly family, and the Lilly Endowment have had on the growth and development of the city and state (and the nation and the rest of the world to a certain extent). As for Stephen Hilbert, while he and his wife TomiSue are certainly colorful individuals, they most certainly do NOT deserve to be mentioned in a scholarly overview of the history of Indianapolis. --Kangaroo1 18:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Good ideas. Also, should there be a separate section on the history of Indianapolis? Some of the information in the articles could be described in further detail using a separate article.Wikichange 20:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The list of neighborhoods is just silly. I never heard of half of them when I was living in Indy.

First of all, the list of neighborhoods is vital in that it provides details about Indianapolis and how the neighborhoods add to Indianapolis's urban character. And second, not only do I know of every neighborhood on that list, I have been to them all. Just because you have not heard of those neighborhoods does not mean that they dont exist. What an arbitrary thing to say. Wikichange 19:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The whole Klan thing could be summed up in one or two sentences, with links to the KKK, DC Stephenson, and Madge Oberholtzer articles, possibly expanding those if there's unique information here.

Same with the Unigov section. There's already a Unigov article - why isn't all that stuff there?

The section on Indiana Avenue should be extracted into a separate article and possibly expanded. The Slippery Noodle should probably be mentioned.

There's way too much history in this article, and the history that's here seems arbitrarily chosen. For example, there's not a mention of James Whitcomb Riley in the entire article (not even the Children's Hospital), and the only references to Eli Lilly are in the context of the museum and the company. Also, any discussion of the recent history of Indianapolis really isn't complete without a discussion of Stephen Hilbert and Conseco.

Well, living in Fountain Square until a couple years ago, I know exactly where every single one of the neighborhoods that are listed in this article are. Maybe you should go outside sometime and stop making articles about how computers used to be expensive and were really slow (OMG BILL GATES SAID 640kb OF MEMORY IS ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY LOLZORZ, HE WAS SO WRONG, I HAVE 2GB AND IT STILL HASN'T MADE ME COOL). Triikan 17:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

If you have never heard of those neighborhoods, you obviously either stayed inside too much or you know of nobody who stays in the real Indianapolis and not the suburbs, there are names for just about every neighborhood in Indianapolis, just because you haven't heard it mentioned on the news or something doesnt mean its not there

Are there any ideas as to how the Indianapolis page should be scaled down?134.68.176.190 21:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if the Indy images could be moved to WikiCommons so that we can use them in some of the foreign-language articles?--69.245.192.52 02:48, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me (forgot to log in). --69.245.192.52 02:50, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The previous edit seemed to imply that the "golden era" (1890-1920) of Indianapolis was due to the absence of the Klan. More likely, it was due to the prosperous situation caused by the employment surge led by the discovery of the large natural gas deposit in the 1890s. The natural gas was squandered by 1915, and I'm sure this is a bigger factor in the end of the "golden age" than the rise of the Klan. I shouldn't have to mention the following as a disclaimer, but I know somebody has already been offended: I do not condone the Klan. I am not being racist and I am not trying to downplay the atrocities committed by the Klan. But I'm pretty sure that the "golden age" had less to do with the absence of the Klan than the availability of free energy did. For more information on the natural gas deposit, see http://www.centerforhistory.org/indiana_history_main9.html or google for "indiana history natural gas". --Shamashmuddamiq

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[edit] Merge Fountain Square?

There is a proposal to merge the Cincy part of the article Fountain Square with this one. I disagree and have described my reasons on its discussion page. --Tysto 13:06, 2005 August 4 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Couldn't we get a real picture of the skyline as the intro picture? To be honest, it's pretty sad that we have an article on a city in which many hundreds of thousands of people live, work, and visit everyday that has an artist's conception as the main picture. bob rulz 06:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Daylight Saving

I understand the move to daylight saving has been confirmed from April 2006. Can we now show the time zone during this period is UTC -4 hours? Auswide 9:59, 19 November 2005 (UTC) - Done, entered into article on 22 December 2005.

[edit] Demographics

Under Demographics, I added the City of Indianapolis Population by year history from 1850 thru 2000. JeffreyAllen1975 04:39, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nap Town

~MOVED TO NICKNAMES~

[edit] Klan Mayor

John Duvall

Sorry Hoosiers but this guy made things so my family had to leave Indianapolis.

[edit] Please vote in the population poll

In the article List of United States cities by population, Indianapolis's population is listed as 784,242 instead of 794,160. This is because the editors have decided to use the census balance figures rather than the actual city populations for consolidated city-counties. So despite it being billed as a "list of cities", it doesn't actually list Nashville or Indianapolis, but instead lists their "balances". If you have an opinion about this, please make it known in the poll. Thanks. Kaldari 19:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too long?

The Indianapolis article seems overly long. I think a good area to trim down would be the 'Cultural Features' section. A mention of each cultural district/feature and maybe one sentence about each should be sufficient. The cultural district section should then be spun off into its own article and linked to this section.

Also, the cultural section is somewhat incorrect. The city has officially named 6 cultural districts -- Monument Circle and the War Memorial Plaza are not among them. While I think those sections are fine (perhaps expansion of the Monument Circle section), a distinction should be made between the "official districts" and the "interesting features".

Cultural Districts:

http://www.discoverculturaldistricts.com/alldistrictsmap.htm

I attempted to shorten the article by editing unnecessary information (here we go!) and creating a separate article for topics such as history, etc. Wikichange 09:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indianapolis Prize

I'm not sure what would be the right place for this text, but the introduction is not it, so I am removing it. L. Pistachio 04:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

The Indianapolis Prize is the world's leading award for animal conservation. The Prize includes a $100,000 cash award and the Lilly Medal, which are presented every two years to a conservationist who has made substantial contributions toward the sustainability of an animal species or group of species. Selected by a globally-renowned nominating committee and jury, the finalists for the 2006 Indianapolis Prize include Dr. George Archibald (cranes); Dr. Holly Dublin (African elephants and other IUCN-listed species); Dr. Iain Douglas Hamilton (African elephants); Dr. David Meche (wolves); Dr. Roger Payne (whales and other cetaceans); and Dr. Simon Stuart (amphibeans). Award-winning actress Jane Alexander is the host of the 2006 Indianapolis Prize Gala. Honorary Chairs include Harrison Ford, Ted Turner, Roger Sant, Senator Richard Lugar, and Senator Evan Bayh.

[edit] Weather?

I had made some minor edits regarding the section on the weather of Indianapolis, but even with the links to cited sources, someone obviously had intentions of starting a revert war in mind... Wikichange 01:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, never mind. I made the necessary changes! Wikichange 04:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revising entry on Indianapolis

This entry does not necessarily need to be reduced in scope. It just needs to be better organized. For example, the space devoted to the merger of the Sheriff's Department and the Indianapolis Police Department is really just a continuation of the decades-old discussion of UniGov. UniGov is, for good or ill, an enormously important development in the life of both the city and the State of Indiana and deserves extensive discussion. The merger, however, can just be appended to the section on UniGov.

The sections on the various neighborhoods also add value to the entry. The life of any city is in its neighborhoods and the more historic and colorful areas of the city should be noted.

[edit] Create Indianapolis Cultural Districts as a seperate article

I recommend we create, as a seperate entry, the Indianapolis Cultural Districts and maintain a small blurb refering to them and directing visitors to that entry. Each one is worth of its own entry anyway. Jgassens 19:27, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Neighborhoods of Indianapolis

I created this article with the intent of adding insight about many of Indianapolis's more fascinating neighborhoods, so that readers will have a better understanding on what life here is like in some areas. With the exception of the Cultural District stubs, there were virtually NO articles about some of Indy's neighborhoods. In my opinion, this article should NOT be merged for three reasons:

  • the Indianapolis article is overly long as it is,
  • there are a sufficient amount of neighborhoods that have yet to be added, and
  • a few of the neighborhoods have enough detail to make for moderate-sized entries on Wikipedia.

Granted, Indianapolis's neighborhoods aren't nearly as noteworthy as those in Chicago or San Francisco, but I still think that a separate article has its benefits. Wikichange 05:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree; the fact that some local residents are unfamiliar with some of them isn't surprising for a city of this size - 360 square miles (about the size of NYC plus Yonkers, Newark and Jersey City; or about the same as NYC and Washington, D.C. combined). I'm sure some residents of Brooklyn, Newark and the Bronx don't know all the local neighborhoods in that whole area, either. A city with a population of 800,000 should generally have an article identifying/discussing its neighborhoods. MisfitToys 00:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Indianapolis instead of Indianapolis, Indiana, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I would support it, because it makes finding articles a lot easier. Besides, it's less typing! Wikichange 18:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Murat Centre

If anyone can find a _good_ website about the Murat Centre, please link to it under Culture and Recreation. Thanks. Notreallydavid 03:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

The nickname list is getting out of hand. The only references to the city I've ever seen used are "Indy," and rarely "Circle City" (whose nomenclature I never figured out). Maybe "Nap Town" is real, given the discussion above, but having never heard it my entire life in Indiana, I can't see how relevant it is. "Indianoplace" certainly isn't relevant. How rare is it? Google thought I meant "india polo" when I searched for it. Cmprince 21:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

~PREVIOUSLY IN "NAP TOWN"~

I've lived in Indy all my life and I've never heard the phrase. Don't remove it I guess, just kind of strange that this wiki will make it more popular.

I didn't live in the city, but growing up in Indiana I never heard this phrase either. Cmprince 21:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
As do I, and I've never heard it before. Seems somewhat derogatory, so more discussion on it might be needed. 152.228.228.41 03:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I live in Indy and have heard the term before. "Nap town" was popularized by late 90's party club advertisements (refering to their clubs as "Nap town's finest") and announcers on the radio station WTLC and early 96.3 broadcast. The term is most commonly used among youths as a shortened "cool and hip" way of reffering to IndiaNAPolis, similar to people refering to Chicago as "Chi Town" or Atlanta as "ATL." It is by no means a derogatory phrase, and more of a "Hip-hop" fad. Amdsupport 05:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I heard it plenty of times growing up there in the 1970s and 1980s, most often in a dismissive way by people from larger cities. Veronique 06:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm willing to bet that the people in larger cities (or any other cities for that matter) are indifferent to the term because its use within certain groups (mainly youths); the term is not nearly as popular as "Hoosier" or "Indy" and I'd be hesitant myself to use the term in anything above informal conversation. Amdsupport 07:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Growing up here I have heard the term often. There are some people who obviously have never heard of the term, though. Wikichange 04:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
In fact, the people who never heard of it are often the first ones to question its existence. Not a big deal, but it is frustrating! Wikichange 04:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
These days it isn't derogatory at all. It is starting to become a heavily used term, though. Just another way of abbreviating Indianapolis. Daniel 06:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
the term was often used in the past to describe the city in a derogatory manner -- ie: it was a boring sleepy town with no nightlife. after the colts were brought to the city and circle centre mall was built the term wasn't used nearly as much. during the late eighties and early nineties the term was most often used in media reports about the progress of the city and how it was shedding it's "naptown" reputation. Randella 02:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Google's "nap town" listing shows MANY, MANY references to Indy. Growing up in Fort Wayne in the 1970s/1980s and going to Ball State in the 1980s and 1990s, I heard "Naptown" many times - usually from people from Central Indiana. Davodd 06:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Living in Chicago previously, I heard Indianapolis referenced as Naptown many times and also have hear residents here in Indianapolis, to where I have relocated, using this term. It is not seen as derogatory nor racially motivated. I would recommend including it as a nickname for the city. Note that the local paper, the Indianapolis Star, has printed Naptown in reference to local organizations (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701020378) and also that the local yellow pages list many businesses self-named with the term; and the Indiana History Society ran an exhibit in 2005 titled "the naptown sound" chronicling the historical musicial scene in Indianapolis. Ejl 22:54, 05 January 2007

The Indianapolis Star article you cite makes a brief reference to the Naptown Riders Motorcycle Club and a gang-related shooting (the "Naptown Riders" are referenced in a somewhat obscure local hip-hop song about tough local street thugs, and the their headquarters have been investigated by the police before); so I do not think the Indianapolis Star is using the name as a nickname for the City of Indianapolis. The exhibit at the Indiana Historical Society is highlighting the local Jazz music originally called "Naptown;" however that does not mean the nickname is commonly used anymore--the exhibit is just referencing an old style of local Jazz music. I do think the "Naptown" name has a nice history from the early 1920's and the Jazz Era when the name was created to refer to the city's unique style of Jazz music created by the local African-American music community. However, the term later came to be used derogatorily to suggest the city was boring and "sleepy." The name pretty much disappeared by the end of the 1970's, until it was resurrected by various magazines and newspapers writing about the city's revitalization during the 1980's and 1990's, and then it was referred to as an old city nickname along with "Indiana-no-place" which the city had outgrown by shedding its "sleepy" image. Now, there has been some limited revival of the name among the local hip-hop community (as mentioned above) and other parts of the local music community. However, it is really not a common nickname, like "ChiTown" or the "Windy City" for Chicago, or "The Big Apple" for New York. "Naptown" would still be considered a fairly obscure name for the city by most residents--and outsiders (especially those outside of Indiana) would generally have no clue as to which city the name referred. Kangaroo1 00:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I have heard "naptown" quite often will growing up in Indianapolis. It refers to both 1} how boring Indianapolis is (or used to be) and simply because 'nap' is in the word IndiaNAPolis user:kcflood 4:00, 15, January 2007

~PREVIOUSLY IN "INDIANAPOLIS NICKNAMES"~

Ok for starters if you've lived in Indiana and haven't heard Nap Town then you've had a very sheltered life. I propose we add these nicknames as well Nap, Crooked I and Nappy Dub. I've hear these nicknames used fairly often through my life living in Nap and not to mention in the song "Nap Town Riders" by Prophit the phrase Crooked I ridas becomes even more apparent. Just my 2 cents. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.225.23.247 (talk) 07:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Indy, Naptown, Indiacrapolis, and Indianoplace. Indy is the only nickname for Indianapolis I know of that doesn't have a negative connotation, so I would go with that alone. In my life I have heard "Naptown" from a few locals I knew in college. I thought it was derogatory given the way they would talk about the city and I suppose the city's reputaion as a boring or backwards city(I'm not trying to confirm the validity of that statement, it's just a common perception if there is really one at all outside of central indiana). Other terms I have heard, perhaps more commonly than Naptown are Indiacrapolis and Indianoplace. These are certainly derogatory and I assume not used in Indy itself.

ok you sound like someone who's never lived in indiana and opinons are your own biast opinions of Nap, I have never heard Indiacrapolis or Indianoplace ever. Keep your biast fables elsewhere. hehe Who da best ridas? Them crooked I ridas, Naptown ridas.

Most people say and write the full name of Indianapolis. However, the most common nickname is simply "Indy." The "Circle City" is a less common nickname, but still one of the oldest nicknames as it refers to The Circle at the heart of city which was built as part of the original city plans designed by Alexander Ralston in 1821. Today, there are still many events and organizations in Indianapolis which use the name "Circle City." In 1853, Indianapolis became the first city in the nation, and perhaps in the world, to open a union railroad depot for all the major rail lines entering the city. By the 1880's, Indianapolis was a major railway hub, and it became known as the "Crossroads of America," later the State of Indiana made this the official state motto in 1937. The name "Naptown" came about in the early 1920's from the local African-American Jazz community in Indianapolis who used it to refer to their style of locally bred music and to the place they called home. The name later caught on with the larger community, and eventually many people forgot the Jazz origins of the name, and most people came to think it simply referred to the sleepy image of the city. More recently, there has been some resurgence of the popularity of the name by the local hip-hop and larger local music community; however, NO ONE would actually say they were from "Naptown" or they had just visited "Naptown," and I would hardly call it a popular nickname in the mainstream community, even if many people may have heard of the name through the media. The name "Indiana-No-Place" came into usuage sometime in the 1950's and was used into the 1970's, and it referred to the sleepy image of the city during that decade. Later, newspaper articles reporting on the revitalization of the city in the 1980's and 1990's would often dig up the old names "Indiana-No-Place" and "Naptown" to cite how the city had managed to shake off its sleepy image. However, few people ever actually referred to the city has "Indiana-No-Place" by the 1980's, and as mentioned, no was going around calling it "Naptown," either. In short, the only truly common nickname is "Indy," and to a lesser-extent, one still hears "Circle City," or derivations of it, such as the "Circle Centre Mall" downtown. "Naptown" and "Indiana-no-place" are really never used in everyday conversation or writing about the city, although one may still read these names from time-to-time in a newspaper or magazine article talking about how the city shook off its sleepy image of decades ago. And again, while some members of the local music community have revived the "Naptown" name to refer to their style of music, it has never caught on widely to refer to the city in general conversation or writing. So, I would just put this whole nickname debate to bed and stick with "Indy" and "Circle City" only. Kangaroo1 21:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I compliment you on your knowledge of Indianapolis nicknames, however naptown is used very commonly in Indianapolis. It is not used just in the media, I know many people that simply say nap instead of saying all six syllables Indianapolis, myself included. I live here dude, I'm here everyday, you are not correct. Not a day goes by that I dont hear someone say it.

Hi, unsigned. I am not trying to start an argument, but I have to disagree.

I was born and grew up in Indianapolis and I lived there for 23 years. My family and many of my friends still live in Indianapolis and I go back to visit Indianapolis at least 3-4 times a year. I have family and friends on the North side, the West side, the South side, and the East side--as well as in the surrounding metro counties. My dad teaches at an IPS high school and he hears the current slang among the teenagers all day long. I have only heard "Naptown" used as an old nickname for the city, and when it was used it was referenced as a nickname not used anymore. For example, you may see it referenced as an old nickname along with "Indiana-no-place" in articles talking about how the city has shed its "sleepy" image. You may also see the name used to talk about the old style of Jazz music created by the local African-American music community in the early 1920's. Beyond that, you would only find the name in a few obscure local hip-hop songs, etc. I know there has been some limited attempts by parts of the local hip-hop community and other members of the local music scene to revive the name, but it is just not very commonly used. A lot of people do say "Indy," both residents and visitors. For example, if I go to the airport to check in and I say "I'm flying to Indy," then everyone knows what I'm talking about. But, with "Naptown" most Indianapolis residents would find the name obscure, and most people oustide the city (especially those outside of Indiana) would not have any clue as to to what "Naptown" was.

As for the name, "Nap," I have never heard people say just "Nap." Even in the few obscure hip-hop songs using the old "Naptown" name, they still say "Naptown," (as in "Naptown riders")--they do not just "Nap." I have to say that "Nap" is really not a common nickname for the city at all. Now, maybe you and your friends like to say "Nap," and that's fine, but it does not make it a commmon nickname. I have nothing against nicknames, but I just don't see "Nap" catching on among a wide group of people. At least "Naptown" has some history from the Jazz era behind it, even though most people don't use it anymore, and when it is used in a magazine or news article it is generally used in a derogatory sense (although that was not the original intent behind the name). Also, I think "Nap" has the potential to be confusing because it could be a nickname for Annapolis, Minneapolis, Naperville, etc. Kangaroo1 23:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

As a 20something who grew up on Indy's N side, I have to say that the term Naptown was most certainly used among some of my friends and even by myself. It does tend to be used more in the HipHop culture. This alone however should have no relevance to whether it is listed, as the question is not "which peoples?", but instead, "what nicknames?" Another thing which might be useful to remember here is that the revolutions of today are the standards of tomorrow.

That having been said, I have found when I say Naptown to a young urban dweller (under 35) here in the "Great Lakes" region of the "Midwest" it is likely that I will be understood as saying Indianapolis. It has a good connotation (or at least the idea of nap referring to sleepy seems to have been lost) in this culture. However, on the other side of the coin, when speak to someone from the coasts or an older person (over 35) it is more likely than not that I must explain "Naptown." I find people often get some amusement and gain an impressed air when they understand that Indianapolis has a nickname beyond Indy. I believe it shows an independent and changing culture in the city, which IMO is a hallmark of interesting cities (true or not).

For sales purposes, anything that gets people thinking about Indianapolis in a good light is a good thing; but then that is not the point here right?

Since we are attempting to be factual, it is my opinion that Naptown should be included in the nickname category (as long as there is one...) since there is a segment of the population which would certainly recognize its usage, even if it is not bourgeois.

-Who called, or calls, indy "City of Siestas."???? Perhaps it is "Latino" culture? This has never been used in my presence nor have I ever seen it in print.

- HipHop Culture is not simply music Kangaroo. Just as "Punk-Rock" had political and social implications beyond the music, HipHop also has its own political and social conventions (or so I hear...)

- Nap is simply a shortened Nap-town. It is slang, but isn't that what nicknames are? Sorry Mr. Jagger, your song was nice, but what if you wrote it "Go ahead, bite the Big N. Y. C., dont mind the maggots" We are concerned that "Big Apple" might make people think you are speaking of a burg in Washington State... 159.218.115.182 07:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Unsigned,

I don't know if you are the same person or not, but I thought your comments were well-thought out and interesting. I agree with you that the nickname list is based on the list editors' subjective judgments. (By the way, I am not one of the list editors). Also, I agree with you that any determination of what constitutes a "common" nickname is subject to cultural bias and open to interpretation. However, a nickname list by its nature deals with a "soft subject" which is generally not well-grounded in verifiable "fact."

I do think that the nickname list provides a bit of "local color" and adds interesting detail to the article. However, I wonder if it might simply be extraneous material to include in a scholarly overview of the city.

In any event, I still think that a list of common nicknames should probably be comprised of names for the city which are familiar to a majority of the city residents, and commonly used by a large number (if not a majority) of them. As for the nickname Naptown, yes I did read and hear the name on occasion while growing up, but my experience was that it was generally referenced as a quaint and old-fashioned put-down for the city. Typically, I saw the name used most often in non-local magazines and newspapers (such as National Geographic and the New York Times) during the mid-1980's to mid-1990's when these publications ran articles about the extensive revitalization of the city (especially in the downtown area) which had allowed Indianapolis to shed its "sleepy" image along with dated nicknames such as "India-no-place" and "Naptown." Around the mid-1990's or so, I became aware of an attempt to revive the "Naptown" name, driven mainly by the local hip-hop community. However, I just don't think it has caught on again among the large community so as to constitute a "common" nickname for the city. Certainly, I can honestly say I never heard anyone (regardless of the individual's race, gender, socio-economic class, etc.) say to a visitor anything like "I grew up here in Naptown," or to a friend "Man, I need to get away from Naptown," nor did I ever have anyone in Chicago or Detroit say to me, "So, you're from Naptown?", or "Yeah, you guys are crazy down there in Naptown!"

Personally, I like the Jazz-era history behind the Naptown name, and I would be glad to see it make a comeback. However, I just don't think it belongs in a list of common nicknames for the city. (And I agree, neither does the name "City of Siestas") Kangaroo1 10:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope, definitely not the same.

I did a web search to see what could be seen.

-Searching "Naptown" brought up more pages than I wished to look through on both Google and Ask.

The first 3 pages of Ask's search were all references to something in Indianapolis with one exception ("The Naptown Amplifier Co.", a band from TX who's first album was called something like "The Indiana Waltz").

The Google search brought pretty much the same. It did have a few references to Annapolis, however none of those were related to any organizations (One was obviously just a billboard, and the others were a wiki "urban dictionary").

-City of Siesta's brought one return showing Indianapolis (Specifically it brought a link to this very Wikipedia page). All of the other pages were in reference to either some city in Spain or in Central/South America. Not good for "City of Siesta's. My guess is that it was inserted as an attempt to promote a recent record release, or someone's personal desire.

I have used all of those phrases myself!! However I must admit, I have never said, "We are crazy down there in Naptown."

Circle City gets alot of play in the Media I agree. However, I cannot recall someone using it in conversation (other than in reference to the "C.C. Classic"). Most of the time it gets used in some shameless self promoting that is put on by the city itself. 159.218.115.182 00:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indianapolis, Missouri?

why does it say Indianapolis, Missouri above its picture? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.225.23.247 (talk) 07:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Indianapolis Nicknames

~MOVED TO NICKNAMES~

[edit] WRONG.

For the past decade, crime rates within Indianapolis city limits have fluctuated greatly. In the late 1990s, violent crimes in inner-city neighborhoods located within the old city limits (pre-consolidation) peaked. The IPD police district, which serves about 37% of the county's total population and has a geographic area covering mostly the old pre-consolidation city limits, recorded 130 homicides in the year 1998 to average approximately 40.3 homicides per 100,000 people.[citation needed] This is over 6 times the 1998 national homicide average of 6.3 per 100,000 people.[citation needed] Meanwhile, Marion County Sheriff's police district serving the remaining 63% of the county's population, which includes the majority of the residents in the Consolidated City, recorded only 32 homicides in 1998, averaging about 5.9 murders per 100,000 people, slightly less than the 1998 national homicide average. [citation needed] Homicides in the IPD police district dropped dramatically in 1999 and have remained lower through 2005. In 2005, the IPD police district recorded 88 homicides to average 27.3 homicides per 100,000 people; none the less, the murder rate in the IPD district is still almost 5 times the 2005 national average. [citation needed]


INDPLS - 108 murders in 2005 average of 13.8.


GET IT RIGHT KTHX. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.214.162 (talk) 04:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, you are wrong. In the IPD district there were 88 murders; you can check the 2005 Homicide Report issued by IPD at www.indygov.org. The rest of the murders in Marion County in 2005 happened in the Sheriff's district. So, the Crime section is correct because it is only talking about the IPD district when it mentions 88 murders. Kangaroo1 23:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of dividing the city's crime into two different parts, but not having one on the city overall?.. and on top of that the information isn't cited.

If you read the Crime section, you see that the section is comparing the homicide rate between the inner-city IPD district and the neighborhoods in what were (before January 2007) in the Marion County Sheriff's district. The section was making the point that while the overall homicide rate in Indianapolis was not very high if you looked at the whole county, it was rather high if you look just at the inner-city neighborhoods covered by IPD. Yes, now IPD and the Sheriff have merged as of January 1, 2007. Also, there is a trend of homicides spreading out of Center Township--mainly to the troubled neighborhoods of the Far Eastside; however, most homicides in 2006 still occurred in Center Township.

In any event, as to the lack of citations, it is an issue. However, someone just needs to take the time to add the citations. I didn't write the initial article, so I cannot say why there were no citations included. Kangaroo1 03:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indianapolis Picture

Is there a better picture that can be used here? The main picture does not show much of the skyline and even looks a little crooked, plus it is half covered in trees. Am I the only one that doesn't like it? user: kcflood 15:06, 19 January 2007

The picture needs to be in the public domain (i.e. not subject to copyright protection). If it is hard to find a good picture in the public domain off the Web, then a local user could simply take a good skyline picture and permit it to be posted on site.

Kangaroo1 21:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] News Media

Is it just me or does it seem like the current listing of newsprint is akin to advertising? 159.218.115.182 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC) I guess I'm looking at the idea of naming a paper as the widest-read. It may be true that the star has the most subscriptions, however whether or not people read what they receive is not ours to determine.159.218.115.182 14:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ??...

Why isn't there an economy section about Indianapolis? 75.22.1.57 02:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indy redirect

When someone types in "Indianapolis" into the search field it NO longer redirects to this page. Someone created a new Indianapolis article and this is where the search for "Indianapolis" redirects. The new Indianapolis article carried over the contents of this article at the date the new page was created; however, new updates to this article are NOT reflected in the new article.

Does anyone know why a new Indianapolis article was created? Kangaroo1 04:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This was vandalism to the redirect (unfortunately, some two days old). It is fixed now. Cmprince 04:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Nope its back up...159.218.115.182 01:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] naptown should be included in the nicknames in the intro

naptown is a term used more often than circle cirty yet is not included in the intro to this article

hoosier hott 96.3 uses the tern naptown like a million times every day

it used commonly by african americans and younger kids

there is even a song called Naptown riders by prophit and c-lo

how again is this not enough to be up there with the other nicknames?

it quite obviously IS a common nickname~! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.33.254.179 (talk) 04:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Sorting out the EL section

The External Links section in this article has grown way beyond where it should be, in my opinion. It seems like we have forgotten that WP is not a Directory. I am going to try to be bold and also a little drastic, taking a leaf out of what the External Links policy says - if the article isn't about Indy, it is gone. So businesses, newspapers, and the like will be deleted. I will leave only the official government sites and a link to the ODP (which is a directory that is acceptable to link to, as per WP:EL. The clean-up tag has been there for several months, now, so I suggest we start afresh and only allow links in that are really about Indy as a whole, and not some aspect of it. If something is notable enough, then it should be mentioned in the article itself, with the appropriate EL, if necessary.

So before I go ahead and take this bold move - does anyone have any strenuous objection (aside from "but I think my site should stay"...) -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 16:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Please go ahead. I've been watching this article for quite a while now, as it's a target of frequent vandalism, and the EL section is indeed way past acceptable length and choice of links. Fvasconcellos 16:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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