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[edit] Usage of the university logo/seal

I asked IU Licensing and Trademarks for permission to use the logo or seal on Wikipedia. I should get an answer soon... Marcika 18:29, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

  • still no answer... 62.255.64.5 12:58, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC) (Marcika)
  • still none... I guess that means no... 160.83.32.14 16:36, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) (Marcika)

I asked again (at logos@indiana.edu) - they still didn't answer me. But in accordance to the {{logo}} template, logos can be used, as they are deemed fair use when used by Wikipedia. So I am adding it - Marcika 03:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

Does anybody have public domain photos from Sample Gates, Maxwell House, the IMU and/or the Hoosiers playing? They would be really great for this article... Marcika 18:29, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I have a picture of the Sample Gates, the Well House, and the Showalter Fountain, but they're all a little washed out, as it was kind of a gray day that day. I can upload them to the Commons if you want. MC MasterChef 12:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

My Sample Gates picture really wasn't salvageable (bad angle and way too gray) but three others are up if anyone wants to use them: IUB-Showalter_Fountain.jpg, IUB-Showalter_Fountain_2.jpg, IUB-Well_House.jpg MC MasterChef 02:14, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

The picture of the IMU, one of the landmarks on campus is terrible. If I had one I would offer to replace it, but I haven't gotten the chance to yet. The picture that's in use now looks nothing like the actual building though.

[edit] Things you could help with...

  • history in the 2nd half of the 20th century
  • subpages on more of the Colleges and Schools
  • photos (current and historical, see above)
    • include Image:Basketball.jpg
    • Sample Gate/Maxwell House are probably the most obvious places that are missing photos
  • an athletics section - the basketball team, the soccer team, ...
  • a bit more on student life perhaps? (Little 500 etc.)
  • more on Greek system, fraternities, sororities?

-- Marcika 23:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

  • How about something on the School of Journalism? I believe that's the only distinct school not mentioned in the article. Shermerville

[edit] Location

This page should be at Indiana University. The current disambiguation page could be at Indiana University (disambiguation). john k 00:20, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, "Indiana University" refers to the whole Indiana University system, which comprises much more than just the Bloomington campus. I personally would like to see the Indiana University system page moved to Indiana University again, but the people editing IUP want a disambiguation page, and it would involve much red tape to establish who is usually called "Indiana University" and who isn't. - Marcika 22:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Also, is it at all accurate to say that it is known as "IUB"? I've always heard it referred to as "IU". john k 01:09, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, I've heard both (see examples for using "IUB here [1] and here [2] and here [3]). And "IUB" is the right term to use if you are refering to the Bloomington campus and not the whole university. - Marcika 22:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If you look at other pages following the same pattern, the main campus always gets the primary page (UW Madison is at University of Wisconsin, Purdue's main campus at Purdue University) with the system disambiguation page as University of Wisconsin System and Purdue University System) IU Bloomington should occupy the Indiana University page. Craig R. Nielsen 20:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
According to the IU Style Guide, IU Bloomington should never be called "IUB" in publications. (Of course, this is largely ignored.) The official name of the campus in Bloomington is still "Indiana University"; "Indiana University Bloomington" is used to eliminate confusion. However, this is likely to change in the very near future, and each campus will be called "Indiana University [something]". None of the campuses in the IU System have the word "at" in their title; I've fixed all the references to "Indiana University at Bloomington" that I've encountered so far.--Merope 18:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The “at”s were removed in the early 1990s. Prior to that, I know that IPFW1992, IUPUI, and IUSB each had an “at” in their official name and what is now IUPUC had the name IUPUI at Columbus. I forget whether IUB had an “at” during that era. I think that this was done to have a consistent naming convention throughout all of the Purdue and IU systems, because IUE, IUSE, IUN, Purdue North Central, and Purdue Calumet did not have “at” even at that time. But Merope's point is well taken: those prior names should be stamped out because Wikipedia should obediently comply with the official naming convention of the institutions. (Although, we should have a generous amount of redirect pages from the “at” form to the non-“at” form.) Why do I mention Purdue regional campuses here? The Purdue system and the IU system share the top tier at the Indiana Commission for Higher Education and thus receive much the same guidance from the CHE. The second tier at the CHE is the Indiana State, Ball State, U of Southern Indiana tier. —optikos 13:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
  • IUB refers to itself as IUB at http://www.iub.edu [4]. The IU system refers to itself as Indiana University at http://www.indiana.edu [5]. It is for Wikipedia to obediently comply with the naming that the IUB and IU system institutions normatively apply to themselves. —optikos 13:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
A Web URL does not an official name make. Please see The IU Style Guide (which is a system-wide production). The Kokomo campus address is www.iuk.edu, but Kokomo representatives will have your head if you try to call them "IUK". Besides, much of the actual Bloomington content is housed on the www.indiana.edu section (see: [6], [7], [8], etc.), despite the fact that they have a page at iub.edu. -- Merope 13:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Your IU Style Guide link is broken, but this is the entry point from which one can look up the Indiana University section that you were referencing. I looked up the Indiana University section. Perhaps you should follow your own advice of referring to the style guide. By clicking on the Indiana University section, one reads: “The following are the full names and abbreviated names of the university and its eight campuses (plus the center at Columbus)”. Thus we have a normative establishment that the one university has eight campuses and one center. Note that this normative pronouncement did not say “the university system” but rather said “the university”. This thing called “the university” (and which is not called “the university system”) is comprised of eight campuses and one center. Here we have a normative pronouncement that in IU's parlance the term “the university” refers to the system comprised of 8 campuses and 1 center. Omitting the center at Columbus, the eight campuses listed are suffixed: 1) Bloomington, 2) Indianapolis, 3) East, 4) Fort Wayne, 5) Kokomo, 6) Northwest, 7) South Bend, 8) Southeast. Hence IUB is but one campus comprising in part “the university” (the system). The style guide then states that Indiana University Bloomington is “not an official campus name but may be necessary for clarity”. But in the intro to that list, the style guide said that this is a list of “full names”. So in summary the style guide says that “Indiana University Bloomington” is the “full name” and that the Bloomington may be “necessary” for “clarity”. Not just optional when the whim strikes the author, but “necessary”. What would make matters unclear for which “clarity” would be “necessary”? Why of course it is because “Indiana University” is ambiguous and needs to be differentiated explicitly (such as through the current Indiana University disambiguation page left in tact) among its overloaded confusing meanings. Note that what is specifically absent from this normative list in the style guide is any entry named “Indiana University system” or “Indiana University System”. By implication, those terms are not to be used to name the system, but rather the system is named “Indiana University” or in context, such as in the Indiana University entry in this style guide, “the university”. The system is “the university”. “The university” is the system. —optikos 06:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
      • “A Web URL does not an official name make” Well, then let's explore what/who does officially name the system and what official name that truly is. Please provide a normative reference that names the collection of 8 campuses (plus 1 center) that comprise Indiana University as either “Indiana University system” or “Indiana University System” without naming that collection of campuses+center “Indiana University”. So far every reference that I have found including the style guide that you yourself suggested, refers to the collection of campuses+center as “Indiana University” without “system” or “System”. What is thoroughly inappropriate is for Wikipedia to contrive a fictional entity named “Indiana University System” (or “Indiana University system”) that does not exist as a normative name anywhere in reality outside of Wikipedia. Just because some other state-university collection of campuses is called X University System or University of X System, does not permit Wikipedia to rebaptize “Indiana University” (the system) to be “Indiana University System” when such fictional naming runs contrary to the established policies of Indiana University, such as the Style Guide. —optikos 06:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mellencamp an Alum?

When did John Mellencamp attend IU? I believe he received an honorary degree for his contributions to the university, but I don't think he ever attended as a student. Does getting an honorary degree qualify you as an alumnus?

In my opinion it doesn't. Mellencamp apparently has some connection with IU (why else would he have donated $1.5mn to the unviersity?), but I don't know if he ever studied there... I'll remove him for now. - Marcika 16:19, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
When I was attending IU, Mellencamp seemed to be very well regarded by a large percentage of the student body. He is probably better known within and without the university community than many of the faculty members and IU graduates on those lists (not to detract from their contributions to knowledge; I'm just stating the probable truth). I think he has received an honorary degree, and as you mentioned he has been very generous to the university. So it might be appropriate to start a new section for notable benefactors, friends etc. of the university and place him in this category. I don't object to him being mentioned here at all, just to him being placed in the "Notable Alumni" list, since he isn't one, sensu stricto. --Jpbrenna 22:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're correct that he received an honorary DM degree. As far as qualifying as an alumnus, he is apparently qualified enough to become a member of the IU Alumni Association.

John Mellencamp is claimed as a 1973 two-year-degree alumnus by Vincennes University to help set a lower bound on the years that he would have or could have been at IUB, if anyone is still investigating his alumnus status. Optikos 15:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

A friend at the Alumni Association checked, and Mellencamp never attended Indiana University; thus, he is not an alumnus. Per his honorary degree, he is considered an honorary alum; however, I would not include him in a list of famous alumni. --Merope 02:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni - Jared Fogle?

I read that Jared Fogle, the guy who lost 245 pounds eating at Subway, is an alumnus of Indiana University Bloomington. Since he's become a bit of a pop culture phenomenon, he's worth mentioning in the article. But which of the "notable alumni" sections should he go under? --Idont Havaname 00:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he used to live above the Subway shop across from the School of Optometry building. He's best known through his work as a pitchman for Subway, so I guess "Actors?" or "Advertisers?" --Jpbrenna 19:26, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Alumni - Tavis Smiley

I removed the notation "(Did not graduate)" from Tavis Smiley's name in the list of alumni, as he earned a BS from SPEA in 2003, according to the IUAA.

[edit] Alumni, and LLCs

I think there should be something included about Toth of Lithics fame, and Living Learning Centers such as the Collins LLC.

[edit] I think WFIU is predominantly classical, don't make them angry.

While they are a PBS radio affliate, but I know if the Indiana University staff would believe that WFIU plays little classical music, however the station angrily denied that claim. This announcer, Kelly Walker (whoever he is) was furious over what I said about WFIU, three to four years ago. I would call Hindemith's music, "jazz" as they played it, but then the station will be angry again, what I said about the composer on Wiki.

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[edit] Alumni page

I noticed that there is a separate, not updated Wikipedia article on IU Alumni. List_of_Indiana_University_alumni Just wanted to start a discussion on whether we should move the long list of alumni from the Bloomington main page to this subpage or not. In my opinion, a long list of alumni isn't necessary for our main page, especially given how much its grown recently.JACooks 03:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that 17 people is a long list at all for such a large institution nearing two hundred years of history. As that list of 17 people stands, I say merge it (and then remove the List_of_Indiana_University_alumni article. Of that 17 only Raju Narisetti and Mary Beth Anderson and perhaps Amy Spindler are not top-tier famous from my perspective. Optikos 15:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The 17 is not a long list by any means. What I meant is that a very large portion of the IU Bloomington article is simply a list of alumni. Perhaps that list on our main article should be moved to the list article, keeping only a few key alumni for the main article. But I'm open to other people's ideas. JACooks 18:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

There are now alumni and faculty listed in multiple pages throughout the article. Would it be a good idea to a) distribute all names to respective locations in the article, b)combine them all in a section on the page, c) actually have them in separate pages divided by some meaningful classification. Coleca 04:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History vis a vis Vincennes

I added brief reference to the battle that was fought between the Vincennes public university that was chartered by the Territory of Indiana (by later-President William Henry Harrison) and the Bloomington public university that was chartered later by the State of Indiana. I strongly suspect that this is significant not only for the history of Vincennes University but also for IUB, because it largely explains the finer-point choice of wording to initially name IU as "State Seminary". I encourage anyone (including myself) to find references that the name "State Seminary" was chosen to side-step issues regarding the chronic legal/political battle with the territorial-chartered university in Vincennes that lasted from 1816 to 1889. In 1828 the State of Indiana once again chose to avoid the legally-sensitive term "university" in the renaming to "Indiana College". I have always heard through legend and lore that these namings were intentional as I have described in this paragraph. Optikos 14:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Also why did the first students graduate in 1830 instead of 1828? Was State Seminary not a four-year institution or were these part-time students? If State Seminary was not initially a four-year institution, that could also be part of the legal side-step of the territorial university in Vincennes by creating a greater-than-four-year university so that IUB would not nominally infringe on the established four-year land-grant university in Vincennes. Optikos 15:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section arrangement

It seems odd that the History and Athletics sections appear at the end of the article for an institution that regards those topics so highly. Generally, articles are organized from high-importance to low-importance, with lists-o'-stuff usually regarded as low importance. With such a rich and long history approaching two hundred years, shouldn't the History section appear prior to the list sections. With such high-profile successful athletics programs, shouldn't the Athletics section appear prior to the list sections? Optikos 15:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ehh. I think there is a difference between what a school is known for and what is more important for the school itself. Sure, we Hoosiers love our basketball but that is not the main focus. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I worded it correctly or not. TommyBoy76 16:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)TommyBoy76

[edit] Little 500

I know that this is, in the grand scheme of things, a relatively new development in IUB tradition, but I believe that a mention of the Little 500 should be included in this article. It brings in a lot of publicity to the school and the race is used to raise money to provide scholarships for prosepctive and current students. It is also a very important part of student life on campus. I didn't want to add anything to the article without some opinions, but I strongly believe that it should be included. Bleach Babe 02:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree. The Little 500 is by far the largest and most attended collegiate intramural athletic event at IU (and across the country for that matter). There is already a wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_500. It would be easy enough to include a summary here, but I am a bit lazy myself. I will leave it to someone else to pen the addition, but for now I will also add a link to the Little 500 website (http://iusf.bloomington.com/little5frm2.html) to the external links section. - anon IU grad

[edit] Crimson Crew

Hi. I've been putting together pages for each of the Big Ten's basketball student sections and was wondering if someone would be interested in expanding and maintaining that of the Crimson Crew. Thanks! --BroadSt Bully 14:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Title

This site should be listed under Indiana University and not Indiana University Bloomington. Having Indiana University lead to the entire system of schools does not fit the format of almost any of the other college pages and is completely ridiculous. Everyone knows that when you say Indiana University, you mean Bloomington, no one attempts to call IUPUI or IU Fort Wayne Indiana University. 65.65.221.213 18:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree, though I would not be so vehement in my assertion. The official name of the campus is still "Indiana University" -- "Bloomington" is a designator adopted to appease the regional campuses. I hear rumors that the official campus name may change, but until that becomes definite, I believe that we should be using the official campus name. However, I am content to leave the name of this page "Indiana University Bloomington" so long as the institution is referred to by its proper name in the text of the article. -- Merope 13:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
The article Indiana University has been used for the system page since November of last year. -Acjelen 19:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
  • If Indiana University being the system article is “completely ridiculous” then http://www.indiana.edu as published by the Indiana Unversity system and http://www.iub.edu as published by Indiana University Bloomington are also “completely ridiculous”. Apparently in 65.65.221.213’s dialect of English “completely ridiculous” means “conforming 100% to how the Indiana University system and Indiana University Bloomington institutions choose to name themselves”. —optikos 03:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Given the recent edits to Indiana University made by Acjelen and myself, I would like to reopen the discussion concerning redirecting the page to the Bloomington campus. Here are some other WP articles concerning system universities and how they redirect:

Please feel free to weigh in (and provide more examples!). -- Merope 20:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, the school is not referred to in the name (especially in reference to athletics) as IU Bloomington or IUB. Using Indiana University by itself, just like with the other major Midwest schools above, is both commonly and officially accepted to mean specifically Indiana University's principle campus in Bloomington. The Indiana University page should reflect that appropriately. Craig R. Nielsen 23:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
As an FYI, Miami redirects to Miami, Florida with a see also to Miami (disambiguation). On the disambig page, Miami University is listed (and stated as in Oxford, Ohio), but not called Miami of Ohio. At the Miami University page, there is a see also link to University of Miami, which returns the favor on its own page. In this way, there is no need for a separate disambig page for the two Miami colleges. -Acjelen 14:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Let's face it: "Indiana University" is ambiguous. That term refers to each of the following within its respective narrow community: "Indiana University system", "Indiana University Bloomington" and "Indiana University of Pennsylvania". The current Indiana University article fully disambiguates all of this ambiguity to an absolute perfection! Replacing this current perfection with a flawed and ill-conceived redirect will force us all to edit the Indiana University Bloomington article so that it has *every* bit of the current Indiana University content. What pollution! of the IUB article. Indeed, let us take our leadership from the Indiana University website itself, which is an official mouthpiece of the administration of Indiana University System and Indiana University Bloomington. If one visits http://www.indiana.edu[9] one clearly sees a website that is entirely oriented to the Indiana University system, not to the Bloomington campus. The Wikipedia Indiana University article should not invent a new Indiana University personality that diverges from the personality that the Indiana University institution chooses for itself. Conversely, what does the Indiana University Bloomington website choose as its URL? Why of course http://www.iub.edu[10] because Indiana University Bloomington officially refers to itself as Indiana University Bloomington and IUB. Again the Wikipedia Indiana University Bloomington article should not invent a new Indiana University Bloomington personality that diverges from the personality that the Indiana University Bloomington institution chooses for itself. In short, each Wikipedia university article and university system article should strictly adhere to the conventions of the corresponding institution. Wikipedia should not engage in some sort of universal renaming of everything in the university universe to conform to some pretty consistency convention for the sake of consistency. When and if http://www.indiana.edu[11] were to ever refer solely to Indiana University Bloomington in the future instead of the IU system, then and only then should Wikipedia enact a redirect of Indiana University to Indiana University Bloomington. —optikos 23:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Further complicating the flawed proposal to consider the term "Indiana University" synonymous with IUB (and the primary reason for the existence of IU system having a President in addition to IUB having its own Chancellor and IUPUI having its own Chancellor) is the fact that, since 1974, both IUB and IUPUI are officially designated core campuses of the Indiana University system. When and if the IU System were to ever reverse this official designation of dual core campuses in the future, then and only then should IUPUI be considered the sole core campus that is synonymous with the term "Indiana University" or then and only then should IUB be considered the sole core campus that is synonymous with the term "Indiana University". But for now it is for Wikipedia to obediently comply with the wishes of the Indiana University system, IUB, and IUPUI institutions regarding their designation of IUB and IUPUI as equal peer core campuses. For further reference: concerns that the IUPUI Chancellor is too focused on Indiana University system in his capacity of Chancellor of a core campus within the IU System[12]. If someone has a problem with IUPUI being on equal footing with IUB within the Indiana University system (instead of being subordinate), please take it up with the Indiana Commission for Higher Education[13] or the Indiana General Assembly[14], because the Indiana University system has officially spoken to this topic as now fully-settled policy. Wikipedia is not the forum for a grassroots campaign for adjusting how the Indiana University system organizes itself and describes itself. The Indiana state government and political process would be the correct forum. —optikos 23:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Regarding any perception that the IUB athletic program carries any weight on naming the revered academic university as a whole, that is the tail seriously wagging the dog, a completely spurious line of reasoning. —optikos 23:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The proposed redirect is not a reflection on my opinion regarding the regional campuses or IUPUI; rather, it would be an attempt to create the least amount of ambiguity (in my opinion). Having Indiana University link to the campus that, oh, at least 80% of the articles mean to link to would create clarity. Clicking "Indiana University" in an article about NCAA championships, Kinsey, or Joshua Bell should take you to the university referenced. Instead, the person is taken to a disambiguation page that serves less than a quarter of the links. (And I'm being incredibly generous in my estimation.) The campus in Bloomington is named "Indiana University"--the rest of the campuses have additional appellations. Furthermore, the campus in Bloomington, being the oldest, largest, and most prestigious, is the most recognizable instance of that name. If I enter "Paris" into Wikipedia, it takes me to the capital of France, not to a disambiguation page. The Indiana University System page would still exist; it just would not be the first thing people see when they click any of the thosusand links that say "Indiana University".
I am confused by your saying that changing the redirect "will force us all to edit the Indiana University Bloomington article so that it has *every* bit of the current Indiana University content." Why on earth would we have to do that? The UW page does not contain all of the content of the University of Wisconsin System page. I would just like a line at top like University of Minnesota has, saying, "This article is about the oldest and largest campus of Indiana University. For a description of the system at large, see Indiana University System." Or something like that.
Incidentally, IUPUI is no longer termed a "core campus" -- official legislation says it is now "Indiana's urban research and academic health sciences campus." It caused quite the brouhaha recently. As for the athetics program, I don't see that it's completely spurious--like it or not, that's where a good chunk of the recognizability of the university comes from. And, should the Bloomington campus change its name (as I keep hearing rumors about), the athletics team will be allowed to retain the original name. (Which, I must say, infuriates me beyond the telling of it. Either change it for everyone or change it not at all.)
However, I have been going through the IU articles and redirecting them to link to the appropriate campus, so perhaps in another few weeks this will be moot. If I ever finish, that is. -- Merope 13:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a big difference between University of Wisconsin System and the current Indiana University (the system) article. As shown at http://www.wisconsin.edu [15], there really is in reality a thing called University of Wisconsin System that refers to itself as “University of Wisconsin System”. In IU's case, there really is a systemic collection of 8 campuses plus 1 center that refers to itself always as “Indiana University” and never as “Indiana University System”. When performing a Google search for “Indiana University System”, all of the hits that such a search pulls up are from various non-normative organizations back-applying (in noncompliance with the IU Style Guide) some other university system's naming convention on “Indiana University” (the system). None of those Google hits for “Indiana University System” are from the Indiana University or Indiana University Bloomington institutions themselves nor from the Indiana Commission for Higher Education nor the Indiana State government. I would consider it extraordinarily unencyclopedic to contrive a fiction in an article entitled “Indiana University System” that would make supposedly-factual reference to an entity named “Indiana University System” that would then be promulgated as alleged fact, when all of the factual evidence of normative naming of the IU collective of 8 campuses plus 1 center runs contrary to that fiction. There is no such thing in reality named “Indiana University System” nor should there be in Wikipedia (except as the current polite redirect to the current Indiana University (the system)). —optikos 13:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


I would like to point out that Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP) is a member of the Pennsylvania System of Higher Education. Indiana University Bloomington is not a part of the Pennsylvania system. It is actually in the state of Indiana. Indiana University of Pennsylvania is in the town of Indiana, Pennsylvania. IUP has nothing to do with any 'Indiana University System.' Indiana University of Pennsylvania and Indiana University Bloomington are compeletely seperate schools. I apologise if this isn't in standard formatting for a discussion, I'm new here and I need to read up on that. I'm Bubblesort time is 12:39 PM, Oct 18 2006

This is exactly why the Indiana University article needs to remain as it currently is to fully explain this easily-confusable topic. If the Indiana University article were to ever incorrectly be the current content of the Indiana University Bloomington article, then many readers would think that Indiana University Bloomington would have something to do with Indiana University of Pennsylvania. These two institutions must be kept separate. —optikos 16:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
To articulate my argument again, many large school systems across the country have established regional campuses. However, as noted above, many parallel institutions (Purdue, Wisconsin, etc) still have their parent campuses retaining the original, simple title. In addition to this, the style guide specifically states that there is no school named Indiana University Bloomington. It makes far more sense to place the central Indiana University, IU, at the Indiana University page, and then place the system page at Indiana University system, which is not a formal name but is still much more in line with current Wikipedia and popular practices. Saying simply "Indiana University" automatically means the Bloomington campus, and nobody assumes it to address the entire, highly decentralized system. There should still be a disambiguation link to IUP on the IU page of course. Craig R. Nielsen 05:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A new suggestion

How about "Indiana University (Bloomington)"? This would disambiguate the title similar to how we differentiate other subjects, but not give the impression that the name of the school includes the word Bloomington. I'd be happy to do all the page moves and link fixes myself. -- Merope 16:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

If "Indiana University Bloomington" would redirect to "Indiana University (Bloomington)" then this is not a bad option at all. I do wish that the IU system would release a clearly definitive single naming scheme that was strictly enforced so that our derivative naming here in Wikipedia would be a very cut-and-dried simple operation. By my scoring, the system is definitely officially called "Indiana University" in all normative contexts by the IUB and IU system and regional campus academic institutions. The IUB athletic department definitely always omits the "B" and "Bloomington" in all normative contexts. The regional campuses (academically or athletically) never use "Indiana University" other than to refer to the system. The media relations dept of IUB gives split guidance of "Indiana University" except in those cases where ambiguity with the system or with other IU campuses might occur, in which case "Indiana University Bloomington" "may" be used. Wow! That would be a tie simultaneously at two different ontological levels, at least. I wish that IUB would either normatively name itself "Indiana University Bloomington" including the athletic department or I wish that IU system would normatively name itself "Indiana University System" leaving "Indiana University" to name the Bloomington flagship campus. Until that clarity emerges, I don't disagree with renaming Indiana University Bloomington to Indiana University (Bloomington) with redirect for the old page name. —optikos 19:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Plane Crash Merger

In my opinion, the contents of this article should not be merged into the campus article. As tragic as the crash was, it's something that has left very little impact on the community, aside from those who knew the deceased. Wikipedia is not a memorial. -- Merope 13:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree. Unless the event is so prominently identified with an academic institution that people refer to the event primarily by the name of the institution (such as the 1970 national guard shootings at Kent State), then transient current events have no business being part of an institution's article. —optikos 13:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The plane crash AFD has been reopened: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Indiana Plane Crash (2nd nomination).--Nilfanion (talk) 13:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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