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Contents 1 Mongoloids 2 Holi 3 Kashmir 4 Flag 5 picture of holi 6 National sport 7 Images 8 Wrong map? 9 Secular tradition 10 Vedic Period 11 The "Quote" section increasing page bloat 12 Over 50 years after independence, the Indians still have a slave mentality 13 left hand 14 Famous Mp's 15 Desertification/migration 16 a time line of India's culture 16.1 == 17 Life in India Infobox 18 Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh 19 The India article needs a science and technology sub-article 20 english audio file 21 Use of Infosys Photograph

Mongoloids

The Mongoloids make up 30 million people in India. For those who don't know, mongoloids are people who look "Chinese" or other east asian ethnicities. They live in Ladakh-area of Kashmir, Sikkim, and are domainant in Nagaland, Manipur and Mizoram, and make minorities in Assam and Manipur.

Holi

Can we have a picture of Holi festival, showing how it is celebrated/worshipped in India, and also respecting the idealness and philosophy of what Holi stands for...

We could... If you could contribute this picture it would be great. You'd have to make an account first. Also, if a website could freely licence an image to us, it would be great to replace the current image.  =Nichalp (Talk)=

Kashmir

I want to have a separate section which says plight of kashmiri people. All pakistanis watching this please add content so that we can show true face of india. OmerFa 03:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

By all means, add verifiable facts, but in the Kashmir article. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 04:10, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Before OmerFa (talk • contribs) starts a flame war here by introducing disputable or possibly POV claims here, I just want to point out that OmerFa has vandalized India according to this diff of India and upon a request not to vandalize pages, vandalized/blanked my user page according to this diff of my user page, and then further retaliated with vandlization according to this diff of Wikiportal Bangladesh. India is an example of a nicely written article, and has gained featured article status, and it doesn't need to be ruined by addition of countless facts to the status quo. In case you *really*, neutrally want to add content on plight of the Kashmiri people, there is ample space to do that in the Kashmir article, or Terrorism in Kashmir article. Please do not mess up top level country articles. Thanks. --Ragib 04:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ragib wants to show me in bad light. That is not very surprising. He is from Bangladesh, not from Kashmir or Pakistan. He cannot feel what pakistanis feel for fellow muslims. I doubt from his name that he is a muslim, but we Pakistanis feel for Bangladesh because you are also a muslim country. Unfortunately muslims fought with muslims instead of fighting indians together. we still are in favour of one muslim country and we will always support other muslim countries. The genocide of Bangla people is indias propaganda. OmerFa 04:33, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am refraining from comments as your vandalism above, and the comments here speak for themselves. The attempt to incite me or others here into flaming you wouldn't work. Please try to actually *contribute* something to wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 04:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Omar, if you are entitled to harbour an anti-India feeling as a free citizen of this world, but wikipedia does not. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which tries to potray the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. There are numerous blogs and forums in the internet that you may vent your views on; but not here. This is not a site to discuss politics neither is it a place to make condescending remarks on wikipedians of different countries. See wikipedia:no personal attacks. This article about India is on the country as a whole, there is absolutely no need of adding a section on Kashmir here. Even the map is as unbiased as possible. There are a shortage of Pakistani contributors, why don't you improve on Pakistani articles instead to conteract the North America/ Europe dominance? Your vandalism is easily reverted; blanking an article is not a delete. Attacking other's countries' pages isn't going to make you a Pakistani patriot, writing good articles on Pakistan for the world to read will. There are a few Pakistani editors I know who take keen interest in India related articles. You are a newbie here and we are giving you two choices: contribute in a constructive manner from now on, or be prepared to be blocked. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:37, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Dear Nichalp and Ragib: I completely agree with you. Everyone is free to express his or her views as a free citizen of the world. However, Wikipedia is not the place to "express Opinions". Wikipedia is a place where facts are presented for the benefit of the world community at large. I have very high respect for Wikipedia and its neutral nature. It is my first reference whenever I come across a new subject. I am sure it is the same for millions other like me. The Wikipedia initiative is too respectable to be corrupted with biased opinions. Thanks !!!

-From Amit We don't want to go to opinion. The idea that there are human rights violations is only an opinion. China accused the USA of human rights violations in Iraq. This is not really something that should be mentioned because there is no way to prove it. It's an opinion. -From Amit

Flag

color of the Flag of india is not correct. the top strip will not be yollow ! it should be saffron .

I'm glad to know you too feel so. I thought my monitor was at fault. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:17, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

picture of holi

I do not think the picture of holi is taken in India !!

Do you have a better and free one to replace it with? =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:29, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I suggest to replace the Holi picture with a Diwali picture. I also would prefer Nataraj instead of Vishnu/Narasimha picture. IndiBoy 23:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) The picture here. Nataraja, I guess is in the public domain. IndiBoy 04:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits. 1) The Nataraja image does not have a licence. We cannot put up an unfree image on an atricle that meets Featured Article standards. Also a metal? idol has little representation of India's history as compared to a clay one. 2) Could you get a more representative but *free* image of Diwali? The current image is a little dull. Diwali is a colourful festival, and though I support replacing the current Holi image, I'd prefer we keep the Holi image till a more colourful and free image is obtained. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:22, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I thought both the images were free because they were from wikipedia itself. But I still think the two images should be replaced.. IndiBoy 09:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You have to check the status of the images to see if they are free. Some images may not be free and it is incorrect to assume that all images here are free. Images in Wikimedia commons are all free. By all means change the images. Keep in mind the following points before changing:

1. Is the image free?
2. Is the image representative of the text alongside?
3. Is the image colourful?
4. Is the image stunning? (hard to obtain such kind of works of art)

=Nichalp «Talk»= 09:54, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Too bad, I reverted the holi image back since the GPL is disputed. Also I would suggest replacing Narasimha image by something like Trimurty. Is there any public domain image available? IndiBoy

Would anybody mind if I replace Vishnu/Narasimha image by The sun temple at Konark? IndiBoy

I realise that the Holi image is not tagged. The uploader of the Diwali image allows PD usage. So we put the Diwali image for now. I have no probs with the Konarak image if you give it a good caption. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:47, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I would prefer it we could have some images on Indian people. With the Holi image gone, people are missing. commons:Category:India might have some. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:07, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

I support the idea of a separate image showing diverse ethnicities/cultures of the Indian people, if we have such an image available. IndiBoy 18:59, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In that case, a picture of the Kumbh Mela might be the best. Getting one might be a problem though. --IncMan 21:41, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

National sport

India's national sport is field hockey !!!! I knew that it is kabaddi. =Kxd23 «Talk»=

It is field hockey. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 14:17, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hockey [1] =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:32, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Kabaddi is the national sport of Bangladesh, *not* India. Field hockey is India's national sport, as seen in the link above. Thanks. --Ragib 15:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Images

Dear anon 130.237.79.106. Please do not left-align the images. It looks ugly on 800x600 resolution. Also do not add too many images to this page. It makes loading difficult. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:34, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Wrong map?

I think the first map does not show Andaman and Nicobar islands at all and the third map clearly shows different color for them. Same goes with Lakshadweep islands. Does anyone else think so too? Could be due to my screen resolution.. IndiBoy 04:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are only two maps BTW. They seem OK to me. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:49, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think IndiBoy meant 3 maps including the top map showing location in Asia. --Ragib 08:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There is another problem with the 3rd map (Indiastates&utnumbered.png). It displays the number 17 at the middle of Bangladesh, while actually 17 refers to the state of Meghalaya. There is a small black line from the number 17 to the actual location of Meghalaya, but that is visible only if the map is seen full screen. Is there any way of removing the location of the number to make it less ambiguous? Thanks --Ragib 04:31, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I made the image, and I can certainally modify it, but I don't see any problem in the location of 17. The line in the thumbnail is visible on my resolution BTW. Any suggestions on the location (its shouldn't be too far away from the state). =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:49, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

The line is visible when you open the map image itself. But when viewed in the India article, the line is invisible, and hence the confusion. Is it possible to make the line wider? Or you can put the number between 23 and 3.... Thanks --Ragib 08:00, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. The second possibility is out as it makes it untidy. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:16, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

I've modified it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:44, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

user:Ragib is right. I meant images pointing to [2] and [3]. I still think there is a problem with them. IndiBoy 21:01, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Secular tradition

Why is the sentence on sangam literature and puranas(ramayana and mahabharata) being considered as an example of secular tradion. 203.200.122.128 6 July 2005 17:49 (UTC)

Can't really give you an definate answer. You are welcome to temper it if you want. User:Nichalp/sg July 7, 2005 08:27 (UTC)

Not sure about the puranas. But, many of the epics of the Sangam era were centered around social values and individual values independent of any particular religion. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} July 7, 2005 09:19 (UTC)

Vedic Period

Why isn't there any mention of such an important period in India's history. The period which influenced the modern Indian culture the most needs to be covered in a reasonable detail, say 4-5 sentences? IndiBoy 9 July 2005 06:19 (UTC)

This is a summary of India's history. We tend to add more recent events than past in a history summary. I would have to revert as if this is unchecked, the history section would bloat. We can do the history of India up nicely instead. User:Nichalp/sg July 9, 2005 06:26 (UTC)

It is an important part of India's history. There has to be way to atleast _mention_ it.Greece or Egypt for instance? Is there a reason to exclude this particular time period while mentioning time periods before and after that? Edit wars in the past maybe? IndiBoy 9 July 2005 06:35 (UTC)

lots of edits wars about a year back. There are a lot of other significant eras also omitted. Let's leave it as it is, its a good summary. We'll try and do up the main history article instead. User:Nichalp/sg July 9, 2005 07:31 (UTC)

But there is no other 'significant' era omitted and certainly the vedic era spans a couple of thousand years. I really feel strongly about including _mention_ of existence of such a time period. I will let others follow up this discussion here and include this information if they want. IndiBoy 9 July 2005 08:27 (UTC)

Ok add a line to maintain continuum. but not the previous line u added User:Nichalp/sg July 9, 2005 08:41 (UTC)

The "Quote" section increasing page bloat

Anon 131.251.0.55 (talk • contribs) added a huge quotes section, which I find totally unnecessary in the main country level article. First, it makes the whole article bloated, Second, India related quotes are already linked in the WikiQuotes link provided at the end. And finally, what this or that person (one of them had the only "distinction" of being the former Chinese envoy to USA) said really isn't relevant to the top level article. Right now, the article is in a great shape, adding too much bloat just makes it unreadable. It is fine to have a separate page on "Quotes on India" (which for all it's worth, should go to WikiQuotes) and a page on Facts about India. But pushing every tiny detail into the main page does not serve any good purpose. Thanks. --Ragib 22:14, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Add this Worlds First University:- The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The campus accommodated 10,500 students who came from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Syria, Arabia, and China and offered over sixty different courses in various fields, such as science, mathematics, medicine, politics, warfare, astrology, astronomy, music, religion, and philosophy.

India invented the Number system. Aryabhatta invented zero.

The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.

According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.

Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty stricken and under developed through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit word Navgatih.

Budhayana first calculated the value of pi, and he explained the concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean theorem. British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century, which is long before the European mathematical

Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus came from India. Quadratic Equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century.

The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians used numbers as big as 1053

USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was Professor Jagdish Bose and not Marconi.

The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.

Chess was invented in India.

Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like caesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones.

Usage of anesthesia was well known in ancient India

When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilization).

The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC. - Anon 131.251.0.55 (talk • contribs)

Anon, great to know all these facts, but don't please stuff the main article with these. Keeping an article brief and simple makes it readable. India is one of the best articles from Wikipedia (a featured article), and keep it simple. True, quotes about India and the facts list you present look fine, but putting them to the top level country page makes it bloated. I suggest you make articles titled "Quotes on India" or "Facts on India" and place your content there. Thanks. --Ragib 03:29, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Another point to be noted: All the above are "claimed" if any sensational information you have mentioned has to be entered anywhere in wikipedia, please cite the complete sources (book ISBN/magazines/websites) etc. User:Nichalp/sg 18:03, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Over 50 years after independence, the Indians still have a slave mentality

Mr. Singh goes to D.C. And what does he do when he gets there? He bad mouths next door neighbor Pakistan. The scene is a lot like a kindergarten playground, where a 5 year old little girl in pigtails runs off to the teacher to snitch on another little girl. Observe the following fictional girl I'll call little Miss Piggy in an all too common scenario in real life playgrounds of the world:

"Teacher, teacher, you know what Jenny just did?" Miss Piggy asks the teacher triumphantly, her face beaming.

"What?" her teacher asks irritated.

"She peed in the bushes again, hehehehe". Miss Piggy diligently points where Jenny is answering the call to nature, as she continues her infuriating giggling.

Expecting the teacher to go running after bad old Jenny, for peeing where she wasn't supposed to, she looks up eagerly at the teacher, her face now flush with anticipation.

"Oh, this is gonna be sooooo goooood!" Miss Piggy thinks to herself.

But instead of investigating Jenny's bad deeds, the teacher pulls out a Colt 45 and points it at little Miss Piggy's face. Just as Miss Piggy tries to open her mouth to say something, the teacher presses the trigger and blows poor Miss Piggy's fucking brains out. A headless Miss Piggy falls to the ground - as all the surrounding children break out in cheers accompanied by a thunderous applause.

Upon hearing the gunshot, the principal comes rushing out to the playground in a panic.

"Oh my God, what have you done?" He frantically asks the teacher.

"Oh nothing...I just shot Miss Piggy". The teacher calmly replies, smiling to the Principal.

"Oh, Ok. Never mind. Good job. I should've done it myself, a long time ago." The principal says happily and heads back to his office, whistling,

Glory glory Man United, Glory glory Man United...

as Miss Piggy's cold dead body languishes in the playground, a lone bee buzzing over it.

The fictional scenario illustrates this point: Manmohan Singh goes to D.C. and complains about and bad mouths Pakistan. Doesn't he know that the only reason US even spits on his face is because US wants to counter balance China? The US knows EVERYTHING that Pakistan has done and it doesn't care about it. If tomorrow Pakistan launched a preemptive strike on India and erased it from the face of the planet, the US won't give a fuck about it.

Listen to me Mr. Manmohan and understand this: The US does not give one fuck about India. Your shit country has to live with Pakistan. It has no choice in the matter. Instead of acting with some dignity, you go and prove that you ara after all a bloody sikh, with his head firmly lodged way up his filthy worm ridden ass.

You also expose your continued slave mentality. And the fact that you do NOT know how to speak English. The world had a much better image of you - UNTIL YOU OPENED THAT BIG FUCKING MOUTH of yours. Next time, have some self respect and don't go to far away places only to snitch on Pakistan, when you know full well, that the US relationship with Pakistan is the strongest it has EVER been in history. Do you know what all those bored white men in congress were silently thinking while pretending to listen to your god awful and incredibly stupid speech? They were thinking, "Oh, shut up, you stupid taliban with your stupid taliban turban." Next time, just keep your trap shut - it'll do you a whole lot of good. Please don't let your ass do the talking for you again. The Village Idiot 04:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Before anyone takes this guy's bait and participates into a meaningless flame war here, I just want to point out that the best way to handle such rants is to IGNORE it completely. From this user's cross post to Pakistan and Kashmir, I guess s/he is just wishing for a reply so s/he can start another rant. So, let's just ignore it. --Ragib 05:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Whatever, I agree with his rant. Pakistan should wipe india off the map. --200.198.80.7 07:21, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Can't agree with you 'The Village Idiot'! Making those comments, You not only just let yourselft down in front of everybody, but also let the nice Pakistanis down. It is such people like you who creates a wrong image of Country/Nation. The only purpose that those dirty words of yours served was just making yourself more dirty. It didn't do any good to Pakistan, or the world. - Ahmed

Ragib, you are right, such assholes should be ignored. Actually these guys should be wiped off from the face of this planet. You fuckin guys are a shame to your own nation.

left hand

what is the significance of the left hand. i have heard that hindus will only wipe their but with their left hand and only shake hands with the right.

This is the first time I've heard of this. Any sites online having more info? User:Nichalp/sg 07:47, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Famous Mp's

Do you not think we should include on this page , some of the people that made India what it is today , a great nation ? There should be a special mention of people such as Mr A.K.Sen , who was the longest serving cabinet minsiter , as well as MP.

No, it shouldn't be here. The article sticks as closely to core India topics as possible. The moment we bring in biographies of famous people, more editors will add to the list. Why don't you add it in the Parliament of India instead and create an articl of AK Sen instead? User:Nichalp/sg 19:05, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the top level page should only reflect the main facts about India. Mr. Sen definitely is notable, but the information belongs to Parliament of India or Mr. Sen's own page. --Ragib 19:32, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Desertification/migration

An anonymous editor added this remark:

A geological shift in the sources of the Saraswati River and the subsequent rapid desertification of the region caused mass migrations east toward the Gangetic Plane, the site of the Vedic Civilization.

Nichalp reverted this, but marked the change as a minor edit. At the least, that's not a minor edit, but a major one. However, I'd like Nichalp to clarify the removal: do you feel it is simply too verbose for the main article, or do you think it is inaccurate? I didn't write the addition, and I'm not so attached to it, but it looks fairly interesting and relevant (if true). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 17:00, 2005 August 1 (UTC)

While on this topic, I think it's inappropriate to mark any reversion (other than perhaps obvious vandalism) as minor. Ambarish 18:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is wholly unproven and a contentious issue, contentious atleast until a couple of years ago. The problem really isnt geological, its to do with the link to the so-called 'Vedic Civilization' which some quarters want so desperately to be proven as the fount of all that is good about India, and no Aryan invasion etc etc. The existence of a Saraswati has not yet been scientifically proven. Some channels and features from IRS satellite images were in the news a year or two ago. There was speculation that it could have been Saraswati, but not proven - not even in a geological sense. The saffron types would love to have us all believe so, but its only so much speculation and pseudo-history until solid historical and geophysical evidence is unearthed, analysed and validated. Refer Romila Thapar on this. And besides what is a Gangetic PLANE? Tigger69 22:48, 2005 August 1 (UTC)

Since I've been asked to clarify the some points: 1) All reverts are classified as minor, even auto rollbacks which are offered to admins. 2) The so called Saraswati River has still not been found by Indian archeologists; Please Read this. Anons edits, while made in good faith, should be backed by a credible reference; the topic is a theory mentioned in the History of India article and may not be only related to just one river. User:Nichalp/sg 18:54, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, Tigger69 and Nichalp. I had not known the background; but now that I'm aware that the geological/archeological issue is a contested hypothesis, I entirely agree that it does not belong in the main article. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 19:00, 2005 August 1 (UTC)

a time line of India's culture

Could you be more specific on your query? User:Nichalp/sg 06:05, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

==

This is a featured article?????? Muslim invasion and stuff, nothing on aryan invasions who destroyed the indus valley civilization; no mention of the brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir, 2002 State-sponsored Gujarat genocide of Moslems - seems fellas who don't have a clue fell into the trap of some hindu nazi types.

219.65.185.162 23:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)Manoj Pandey

We are an encyclopedia, we do not take sides. There is no proof of an Aryan invasion. The history section is a summary of events in the History of India article. Specific instances of India's history are not mentioned here. User:Nichalp/sg 05:11, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

Life in India Infobox

Can we have a {{Life in India}} infobox on the lines of {{Life in the European Union}} or {{Life in Hong Kong}}. pamri 05:51, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Cool! I was thinking of something similar over the past two days. We have 'geog. of India' and 'flag of India' as FAs and with EoI to follow, only Hist of India is a biggie left out. It would be great if all the entries are made FAs. I support it. User:Nichalp/sg 06:34, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

created an initial version based on the EU template. pamri 08:54, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I feel we should make it horizontal, since theres hardly any space on all the India related FA's on the right side. pamri 08:56, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, horizontal will be better. You can also add geology of India and possibly flag of India. User:Nichalp/sg 09:24, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Done.pamri 04:46, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Yashwant Sinha, Jaswant Singh

I noticed that some of the articles on Indian Leaders - especially Yash Sinha and Jas Singh can be improved a lot. I am hoping that others interested would also notice the same.doles 23:42, 2005 August 13 (UTC)

Its not only the leaders, the states and cities are also in a poor condition. Unfortunately there are a very few active Indian editors to improve it significantly. User:Nichalp/sg 00:52, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

The India article needs a science and technology sub-article

Would want some info on India's contribution to world mathematics , science and engineering.

I believe there is a page request somewhere. The info shouldn't be on this page, it should be on an independent page. Perhaps you could contribute to a page? User:Nichalp/sg 19:52, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

english audio file

Unless someone else is interested, I can record this article in english. I'm an Indian guy born and raised in Canada, so i guess you could say i speak flat Canadian english. Does anybody else have this covered already, or should i go ahead and do it? or, is there some reason i shouldn't?

thanks.

--bikehorn 06:39, 23 August 2005 (UTC)bikehorn

You're most welcome to do it. However, I would recommend that you choose a "stable" version from the edit history of the article (you can see that by clicking on the "history" tab on the top of the article). -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 06:49, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

It'd be great to have a spoken version. This current edit seems to be stable. The spoken Eng version has been pending for many months, so I doubt anyone else would be doing it in a hurry, so It would be great if you could do it. User:Nichalp/sg 07:12, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Use of Infosys Photograph

A photograph of the Infosys building is shown as the symbol of the Indian IT industry. Considering that Infosys is just one of the many Indian IT companies, should we not remove this photo as this tantamounts to commercial exploitation.

TV 17:43, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Infosys is one of the leading IT companies, and it is used to show the IT industry. If you have a problem with the image, please suggest an appropriate one. Keep in mind the following.

• It has to be from S. India. (all the images come from different regions, so we would have to maintain the balance)
• It has to be a free image.
• It must be colourful
• It must relate to the Indian economy
• (Ideally it must be a featured picture)

User:Nichalp/sg 17:48, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Sinha. Displaying the photograph of the Infosys building on the main India article is not justified. The question is not about whether the image is colorful, free or balanced, its about whether the image depicts the Indian economy. IT industry, though growing at a fast pace, accounts to a minor percantage of India's GDP and employment. Besides, Infosys isn't the biggest IT company in India. An image on India's agricultural sector or the skyline of Mumbai, New Delhi or Bangalore is more opt than the image concerned. --{{IncMan|talk}} 18:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I actually didn't disagree with Sinha, though the tone might unfortunately appear so. I'd disagree with you: free images are a big point in wikipedia! How about the BSE Sensex? User:Nichalp/sg 18:11, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Apologies for misinterpreting yr comment. I have no prob w/ an image on the BSE Sensex but isn't the building located in Mumbai? Well as far as my knowledge is concerned, Mumbai lies in western India and not in S. India. --{{IncMan|talk}} 18:21, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

That's true I know, but if we can't get a more representative image from S. India, we'd have to shuffle things around. Let's wait till Sundar comes, for his comments on which S. Indian image is the best. If you'll both can hunt for some good ones, that would be great. User:Nichalp/sg 18:35, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

I consider the following point very relevant.

* IT industry, though growing at a fast pace, accounts to a minor percantage of India's GDP and employment.

With this argument, even the BSE Sensex would just represent a fraction of the organised sector. A GDP growth chart may be more appropriate. However, if we want to maintain the regional balance, we should find a picture of an agricultural field from S.India. There are a few free images in the commons showing such fields. But, I don't know how "colourful" they are. What do you people think about the following?

Women farm workers in coimbatore	Tea gardens in Ooty	Handloom weaving in Ettayapuram	Fisherman in Kerala
Paddy field in Kerala

These are merely suggestions from me. If you can find any better picture, feel free to use it. Alternatively, use Image:Golcondafort.jpg or some other image in other appropriate sections and have a suitable image from N.India for htis section. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 04:46, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not particulary happy with the images. None really give a true picture of the core of India. There are some nice pics of Marayoor, Kerala, but they don't fit in here. How about replacing the bhelpuri image with a masala dosa? User:Nichalp/sg 06:01, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

That would be fine with me. By the way, no single image can capture the core of India, which I think would have to be a kaleidoscope or a collage of sorts. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:31, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

That's true. But an image of something that a large number of people can identify with is more suited. So whose up to the MD photo? User:Nichalp/sg 04:41, September 6, 2005 (UTC)