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"This places doubt on the idea that immigration is effective in decreasing unemployment. One could conclude that while high immigration may lead to a short-term increase in economic growth, in the long run this is not sustainable and in the long-run will simply lead to lower wages, or in the case of fixed (mimimum) wages high unemployment."

Why would one argue this? This conclusion comes from what form of reasoning? Immigration needn't lead to short-term increase in economic growth. In fact if demand is still and labor supply increases immigration leads to short-term decrease in wages. and in the long run as migrants accumulate skills etc demand and productivity may increase and economic growth is greater. And population growth is an important part of economic growth because more people mean more customers and greater numbers of customers allow firms to exploit economies of scale too. Population growth can be increased with programs to encourage greater production of babies e.g. subsidies (e.g. Howard's baby bonus) or with higher levels of immigration.

Another issue is environment. If higher population leads to environmental degredation then this is an argument to stop programs that boost birth rates. Immigration is transfer of humans from one place to another. Therefore if it is change in population that affects environment and immigration does not increase or decrease population then there is no enviornmental problem. E.g. if 1000 people move into Australia form America they produce X amount of CO2 emissions but that CO2 emission may have been produced in the US anyway and have the same effect on the environment. So perhaps distinguish between local and global environmental problems.


I really like your additions on our current migration and humanitarian programs. I'm starting to think that we need to split this page into two: History of immigration to Australia and Australian immigration policy The policy page will have information on our current migration and humanitarian programs, and refugee policy, and the history page will have everything else. What do you think? - Borofkin 03:28, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sounds good, will recent events be included in the History page- like the refugee controversy section?--nixie 07:19, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Hmmm. Perhaps an article Australian immigration detailing the current situation, but with a section at the top labelled "History" with a line "Main article: History of Australian immigration". This is consistent with the way Australia and History of Australia are related.
So, current policy and current intake numbers will appear on Australian immigration, with a brief history paragraph, and everything else is on History of Australian immigration. Sound good?
Sounds good--nixie 05:39, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Done. You may go wild and crazy updating Australian immigration with info on our current migration programs. I'd like to see these sections: "Migration program", "Humanitarian program", "Onshore asylum seekers". Or somesuch. - Borofkin 06:02, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

We should probably rename this article as Immigration to Australia to bring it into line with similar articles from other countries:

- Borofkin 02:11, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

(from WP:RM)

[edit] Australian immigration → Immigration to Australia

  • There is no article at the target name. I accidentally moved the talk page, and now it won't let me move the article. There's been a comment about the move on the talk page for a day or so. Borofkin 00:32, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Disagree.I prefer the name Australian Immigration, but this is just my opinion with no factual basis. Agree. Thats a good enough reason for me. SECProto 03:45, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
  • Agree. Furthermore, "Australian immigration" doesn't specify whether it refers to immigration into Australia or immigration of Australians into other places, whereas "Immigration to Australia" is unambiguous. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 22:45, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • It doesnt have to specify. The correct term for leaving a country is Emigration. SECProto 02:45, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • Yes, I know the difference between immigration and emigration, but immigration always involves two countries and thus technically the current title is ambiguous. Not that it matters anyways, since consistency is the more important issue here and is reason enough to change the title. [[User:Livajo|Ливай | ☺]] 03:02, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Ahh. I reread your first post and i know what you mean now. whoops. SECProto 19:16, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Current title is ambiguous. —Tkinias 22:46, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Agree with above comments. Timrollpickering 13:18, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] new "Views" section

The last reference cites a study on immigration to the USA. Is there any evidence that the same economic effect (immigration => lower wages) applies in Australia? Taxation, social security and other differences could change the outcome. --Scott Davis Talk 14:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I agree, and US reference is not apropriate for the Australian situation and is misleading.--nixie 03:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


Reference 2 is used to reference the statement "In the last few years immigration has been boosted to the highest rate since the late 1980s", but that page does not mention the 1980s at all, and shows a decrease in net immigration from 2003 to 2004. --Scott Davis Talk 03:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Ugh. Even after Scott's work, it still comes over as hopelessly POV. While it is cited, all of the citations given are of dubious quality and/or relevance, and thus highly misleading. In addition to what's been discussed above, the only relevant content in the first reference is as follows: "Some, including the lobby group Sustainable Population Australia, argue in favour of stabilising the population for ecological reasons." (p. 4) The net result is that this pressure group's views are cited as if held by Monash Uni researchers. We'd be better off with a direct external link to their site. The third reference does not mention migration or population factors at all, and while the fourth might, it's a 300-page PDF file, so the citation is of little use without a page or chapter reference. I say get rid of the entire section, pending a ground-up rewrite — the political debate surrounding immigration is encyclopaedia-worthy, but not the way the section is now. No content at all is better than misleading content. J.K. 12:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

The general bits are expressed better in immigration already. The Australia-specific bits are not supported by the references provided, and some aren't specific to immigration anyway. I've had two goes at it and still can't make it look good - I tried when it was in the main Australia article too. If nobody else can fix this section, please delete it. --Scott Davis Talk 13:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

There is criticism of the references. I could just remove some of the references altogether, after all they are not really necessary. All the article says is that some people argue this and that, it does not say they are facts. The point of the article, as highlighted by the name is VIEWS on immigration. If the main article is going to talk about immigration policy then this seems relevant.

To address the specific points, the link between immigration and wages is a theoretical concept/arguement and does not need to be based on evidence. Re the comment that immigration is the highest since the last 1980s, I know for a fact this is true, but cannot find a single page containtaining all the data. I will remove the reference, but not the statement, as no one has disputed the actual fact. I have already twice addressed the issue of the supposed decline from 2003 to 2004 in the Australia discussion.

Re housing affordability, the decline in housing affordability is national, and has been substantial. Refer to the following two links: http://about.commbank.com.au/group_display/0,1922,CH2071%255FTS10332,00.html https://research.comsec.com.au/ResearchFiles/H/HIA_march_qtr_2005.pdf Jigjog

Thanks Jigjog. These two articles are certainly interesting. Unfortunately the first one is getting a bit old. The Commbank site doesn't seem to have a similar more recent press release to compare :-( The second one clearly shows (on page 2) that Sydney is unaffordable, and it, plus smaller contributions from Brisbane, Melbourne and Canberra, are severely affecting the median/average affordability index. It would be interesting to explore the effect of the first home buyer grant on housing affordability, however that doesn't belong in this article. Do you think Australian views on immigration are significantly different to the general pros and cons described in the general immigration article?
I haven't disputed specific comments on the level of net migration, as I have no idea if the statement is correct. I think I know more people who have left Australia in the last 15 years than have arrived in that time, but that could reflect more on my age and educational/economic position than any wider effects. --Scott Davis Talk 03:14, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

The general Immigration_reduction article (if that is what you are referring to]] is quite differrent, and in the Immigration to Australia article all I have included is one paragraph about negative views on immigration in Australia. The link between housing and immigration is particularly relevant to the Australian context, as the fact that Australia is the driest continent.

Re housing, I have found the page on the Productivity Commission report that mentions a link between immigration and house prices, which is page 63 (final paragraph). Also on page 63 is stated that immigration has risen from a low in 192-93 (when net migration was less than 40,000). It is now around 125,000, see

I might try to write a new article called something like "housing affordability in Australia". What do others think of this?

I have inserted a paragraph in the introductory section of the article about the increasing level of immigration over the last decade. This is referenced to two ABS web pages. I thought this line belonged in the introductory section rather than the "views" section. Jigjog 01:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I meant the Differing perspectives on immigration section of immigration. net overseas migration was 117,600 persons in the year ended June 2004 and note that the page 63 reference still only says 125,000 is approaching the 1989 high. If you think you can make an interesting article about Housing affordability in Australia that is suitably NPOV, go for it. Frankly, I'll be surprised. The extra intro paragraph looks mostly OK though. --Scott Davis Talk 12:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Re Petaholmes' edit, the idea that there isn't a struggle between labour and capital in Australia is unrealistic. That's why we have a Labor Party and a Liberal Party, and it is why many people opposed immigration, for example the Australians Against Further Immigration Party. There is a long history in Australia about unions opposing immigration on the grounds that it would lower wages. That is one reason why the White Australia Policy remained in place for so many years, and why some Chinese workers were attacked early last century. Economics is a much more powerful motivator than racism. Anyway, I have found and inserted into the section a current reference about an attempt by an employer to import cheap foreign labour. Jigjog 21:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Some people would say that the idea that the Australian Labor Party represents labour is unrealistic, too. The views section is still quite anti-immigration. Surely the balance to lower wages is increased demand, leading to higher wages. The present government has been quite active internationally attempting to lower economic barriers to trade. Like it or not, it is quite silly to lower the barriers to the trade of goods, but keep them high for trade of services. In fact, Australia tends to lose quite a lot of highly skilled people to emmigration as well. One of the difficulties (and a reason ABS stats vary from preliminary to final) is determining when a citizen has actually emmigrated/immigrated - especially if the initial intent was only a "working holiday". --Scott Davis Talk 00:12, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This article isn't about problems with immigration in general, it is about the Australian situation. Provide some evidence that immigration to Australia actually causes downward wage pressure and it can stay.--nixie 01:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

  • If you take research from Professor Ross Garnaut, ANU, by way of DIMIA [1],full pdf at face value then then the section really should go;
    Unlike in the USA, Australia's emphasis on skilled immigration does not put pressure on the wages of lower skilled Australians.
  • This also makes an interesing read, on why immigration is necessary to keep the participation rate stable and why that's necessary to maintain standards of living.--nixie 03:53, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

It seems to have been ignored that the removed paragraph commences with the words, "Another economic view is that...". If someone wants to include a contrary economic view in the section then that would be OK, but it is incorrect to say that the removed paragrph is incorrect, because that certainly is an economic view.

The removal of the sentence was quite unjustified. It was previously removed because it was said to be of no demonstrated relevance to Australia. I explained how it was relevant to Australia, and inserted a link to an Australian article, and now Petaholmes appears to have found a new reason to remove it. It would seem to me that some people do not like to read view they disagree with, particularly in relation to immigration Jigjog 21:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Anyway, if that sentence is to be CENSORED then I will re-insert the link to Immigration Reduction, and people can read about it there. If anyone has any problem with that article then they can edit it. Jigjog 22:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Some people may think it, but it has been debunked, it is not the case in Australia.--nixie 00:26, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

The reference I have included in the article re IT workers is not available online, so for you information I include the firts few paragraphs here:

7 July 2004 © Australian Financial Review

Immigrants taking local IT jobs: report By David Crowe

Thousands of low-cost workers are entering the country and undermining the job prospects of new computer science graduates, according to a report commissioned for the federal government that calls for drastic changes to skilled migration.

Visa requirements should be tightened to end a "serious oversupply" of young overseas workers which is driving down salaries and contributing to high unemployment among information and communication technology (ICT) workers under 30, the report says.

It also likens the easy entry of temporary workers to a subsidy that gives offshore outsourcers such as Indian computer companies an unfair advantage over Australian rivals.

The findings are certain to trigger fresh debate over migration just two months after federal Immigration Minister Amanda Vanstone raised the skilled migrant intake to a record 77,000 in 2004-05.

Although Senator Vanstone imposed new barriers for some skilled visas, the report suggests those measures are not enough to stem the flow of cheap labour.

Jigjog 01:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I believe (think I read somewhere) that the range of ICT jobs on the skilled immigrant list has been rediuced since that article was written. It is online, but costs $3.30 to access. I went to www.afr.com, chose advanced search, and searched for "immigrants" in titles only in the last two years. That got 14 hits, of which yours is the seventh one. The article above it shows the opposing view (from October 2004):

Lew, Fox call for more immigrants and a capped week
Two of Australia's most successful businessmen have some advice for the Howard Government after its historic fourth election win: Australia needs more immigrants and should consider capping the hours of the working week.

I've attempted to add a few more relevent views to the article.--Scott Davis Talk 09:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

It is not surprising that two of Australia's most successful businessmen would advocate increased immigration. Higher immigration leads to higher business profits, both because of increasing number of customers for their products, and because it means there is an increased pool of labour.

Re IT skills, there is an article in the Herald Sun from a few weeks ago which reports that an immigration expert (Bob Birrell) is concerned about too many people with IT skills coming in to the country.

Re the link to immigration reduction, it is quite reasonable that at the end of a paragraph about views outlining the negative effects of immigration that a link be place to the Wikipedia entry on immigration reduction. I can see no justification in removing the link. Jigjog 23:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

It pays to read the actual research rather than relying on the press release by the Minister. Politicians usually have their own agenda to push. Thanks for providing the link in the first place Petaholmes, it is very informative.

I had to remove the first part of the sentence because it did not make sense. IE this: "Although some groups claim that immigration causes immigration reduction in Australia..." Jigjog 06:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Can you provide page numbers for the reference that shows "Alternative research has found that due to Australia’s structured labour market immigration is more likely to cause increased unemployment than a fall in wages[9]."? I can't find that in the executive summary or chapter 6 — it does state that migrants are more likely to be unemployed than native-born Australians, and that in fact current immigration trends reduce the gap between poor and rich in Australia. The immigration reduction article is about a specific USA movement, and has no relevence here without some strong explanation. It is not about a general move to reduce trans-national migration everywhere. --Scott Davis Talk 13:28, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Refer to page 21, and also page 36.

Re the immigration reduction article, it commences by saying, “Immigration reduction refers to movements active within the United States and elsewhere that advocate a reduction in the amount of immigration allowed into the United States or other countries”. That seems perfectly reasonable. The article certainly refers to the US a lot, but given that the US is the largest English-speaking nation and takes a very large amount of immigration, that is not unreasonable. The Australian experience is similar, and the arguments for and against immigration are similar. The article is certainly of interest to anyone who wants to know about immigration reduction, which is what the link specifies. If people don't want to know about those things then they don't have to follow the link. That is why the link is there. Jigjog 22:57, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I raised the question at Talk:Immigration reduction. That article is clearly about a movement in the USA, not relevent to here. A regular contributor to that article was surprised that there could be any confusion, and immediately removed "and elsewhere" from the introduction. He didn't see a need to change the title of that article, as there are no "immigration reduction movements" elsewhere to be distinguished from.
I am surprised that my "or" has been switched to "and" by Jigjog, as that seems to link the environment/water issue to the affordability of housing, which would surprise me. --Scott Davis Talk 00:43, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I removed the reference to "almost all economists" because, firstly it is disputable, and secondly the reference is from the United States, not Australia. Jig-jog 01:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mandatory detention/ Strict policy

Can anyone confirm that recent immigrants are more likely to be in favour with the current illegal immigration policy than others? I remember hearing about it somewhere. From ethnic friends, the logic seems to be that they've gone through 'the process' so others should do the same. Htra0497 10:43, 12 February 2006 (AEST)

[edit] references

The references need some cleaning up - only some are numbered, and they aren't in order in the text. Three references for housing affordability seems extreme: Ref 1 does not mention immigration. Ref 2 is to a single paragraph in a 300-page report. Ref 3 appears relevent, but only to Sydney, not the rest of the country. --Scott Davis Talk 14:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The reason why there are three references for the housing affordability point is because it was initially disputed in the discussion forum. Ref 1 provides evidence of the existence of a shortage of affordable housing (something which was disputed on the forum), Ref 2 applies to a reference in a long report, so what? Ref 3 does not only apply to Sydney. Please re-read. Jig-jog 23:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Are User:Jigjog and User:Jig-jog the same person, or two different users with similar names?

So is Ref 1 still required, or covered by ref 3? My point about ref 2 is that it is being used out of the context of the entire document. The report is about first home ownership, so explicitly is not concerned with affordability of either rental or later purchased homes. It also makes the point several times that the balance of immigration and birth has maintained a fairly steady overall population growth. Ref 3 seems to be valid, but still takes pains to point out that affordability in Sydney is constrained by geography and in Melbourne by Government policy, both cities on the supply side of the suppy/demand nature of setting the price. Both the introduction and conclusion state that immigration is a factor in housing affordability in Sydney. Table 2 shows only Sydney to have an affordability index below 100. How do you feel about only keeping reference 3 for this point? --Scott Davis Talk 04:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I feel that I am sick of this unnecessary nitpicking. The three references are there now, they are relevant, and there is no reason to remove them. Ref 2 makes the point that if the immigration level had not increased over the given period then population growth would have been lower than it otherwise would have been, meaning that demand for housing was higher than it would have been if immigratio had not increased (see page 68). Ref 1 is not covered by ref 3. I am sure you don't apply the same level of scrutiny to other references. Jigjog = Jig-jog 07:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if you guys might want to lift some stuff out of this essay i wrote:

Population changes in a country are dictated by two factors. Firstly, the rate of natural increases in population, which is a consequence of higher (or lower) birth rates and secondly, the volume of people incoming/outgoing a nation. Australia throughout the 20th century has typically had a consistently positive population growth, through both natural increases in population, and higher immigration levels. In the 20th century, Australia’s population grew from about four to nineteen million.

From the period of 1901 – 1910 Australia implemented several immigration policies under the newly formed “Commonwealth of Australia”. Before and to a lesser extent after this, the six colonies of Australia self-regulated immigration policies and procedures. The “Commonwealth of Australia” implemented the Immigration Restriction Act (1901) or, as it is more commonly known today, the “White Australia Policy”. The details of this were that immigrants needed to be able to have a competent understanding, both written and verbal, of a European language. This act was later amended “Commonwealth Naturalisation Act” (1903) to omit immigrants of Asian, African or Pacific Island origins. Towards the end of the decade, Australia’s population increases were largely a result of British Isle immigration.

World War One marks a inflection point on previously consistent immigration levels, as a possible consequence of losing 64,000 Australian soldiers public pressure resulted in an amendment to the “Commonwealth naturalisation Act” (1903) which in turn made it impossible to gain citizenship without denouncing their original nationality, declared (publicly) their intention of citizenship, and being able to read and write English proficiently.

The 1920’s marked an ambitious turn in immigration policy; immigrants were looked for and assisted in relocation to Australia. These mainly encapsulated British immigrants, but it is important to note that there was a significant proponent of Italians and Greek immigrants. The process of attracting new citizens involved a cost-sharing agreement between Australia and Britain named the “Empire Settlement Scheme”.

Whilst government coffers assisted immigrants in the 1920’s, the 1929 “Great Depression” brought a cessation to the amount of foreign citizens actually wanting to migrate. Consequently, it is in this period in which the only significant population increases sourced from immigration were not a consequence of government policy, but rather a consequence of refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. This atypical immigration levels continued up until 1935.

The Second World War was a period in which Australia experienced lacklustre immigration levels which culminated in an actual migration net loss in 1946. As Australia had recently passed the 7 million mark growing concern mounted as to the vulnerability of Australia with reference to immigration fluctuations. Losing population specifically in 1946 with stagnate levels of immigration preceding it, were perhaps an impetus for renewed vigour amongst immigration policy developers.


The establishment of the “Federal Department of Immigration” in 1945 brought with it Australia’s first migration program in which there was a quantitative target to the amount of immigrants achieved per year. The figure itself was to increase Australia’s population by 1 percent per year. This program is existent today in its same incarnation but the target figure for each year is decided on by weighting economic, social and political factors.

Towards the end of the decade, Australia had relaxed its “Immigration Restriction Act” (1901) to accommodate the goals set by the Federal Department of Immigration. It was this, increased levels of peace treaties, Australia’s investment in specific immigration facilities (ships), and the implementation of the “Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme” that immigration reached record levels by the end of the decade.

In the 1950’s net migration continued to reach record levels with assistance packages extending to other countries such as Netherlands, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Greece, Spain, West Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland. The “Dictation Test” as a requirement for entry was abolished and was replaced by a simpler system of permit allocated entry. British migrants were, in this time, also given the same social-security rights as the Australian born populace. Turmoil in Hungry also produced increased levels of refugees fleeing to Australia.

Australian’s with spouses overseas who previously had difficulty relocating their wives/husbands were now able, by law, to sponsor their respective partners for their migration to Australia. By the very end of the decade, financial considerations could be taken into account when Britons wanted to migrate to Australia. Specifically, those with 500 pounds sterling and accommodation facilities were assisted in their relocation.

The 1960’s marked a continuing focus on the relaxation of migration laws, with children of mixed decent able to migrate with a lesser degree of difficulty. More importantly however, the 1960’s contained within it a official and comprehensive review of migration policies resulting in several fundamental changes to migration requirements. A shift towards individual merit, regardless of nationality or descent meant large amounts of non-European immigration applicants. Caution was however taken by also factoring in an individuals ability to integrate him or herself within the Australian community. Temporary resident visa holders under these circumstances were also able to apply for residency with relaxed restrictions.

At the end of the decade, public debate was mounting as Australia’s “Migration Program” introduced an amount of 185,000 immigrants in one year. Whilst previous continuous growth was supported by strong economic growth, a decrease in economic performance led to a reviewed target set by the “Federal Department of Immigration” to 140,000.

This target was further reviewed throughout the 1970’s resulting in three decreases in the immigrant target starting at 140,000 and reaching a nadir in 1975 at 50,000. It was in this year, that the Australian government publicly regarded immigration policy as encompassing benefits broader than economic remuneration alone.

An economic impact assessment of migration levels was presented to parliament by the “Australian population and Immigration Council” consequent policies were developed that were orientated by hypothetical scenarios. A heightened level of refugee’s stemming from conflicts around the globe which included, but not necessarily limited to places like East Timor, Cyprus and Lebanon and increased levels of refugees arriving by boat from indo-china brought new Refugee Policies.

By the end of the 1970’s following wide-spread public deliberation new immigration policies were developed to address the key objectives of attracting immigrants. Firstly an emphasis on relaxing criteria for immigrants with family within Australia, secondly an emphasis on attracting people with skills and support bases that would increase the likely hood of positive economic gain for Australia and finally the abolishment of discriminatory selection processes.

The period of 1980-1985 introduced the mandatory possession of passports for people entering Australia. An environment of high unemployment also had the consequence of changing the migration target to 15,000. A new migrant selection system was implemented which heavily weighted applicants with skills and personal qualities matching skill shortages in the Australian labour market.

From 1985 to the end of the 1980’s, Australia developed an immigration environment which considered the economy first and foremost. The publication of “The Economic Effects of Immigration on Australia” singled out the many important economic side-effects of a robust immigration system, subsequent re-evaluation of immigration targets resulted in the planned Migration Program aiming for 84,000 immigrants per annum, all this whilst trying to protect existing Australian jobs. Towards the end of the 1980’s this target was re-evaluated repeatedly to finish at 145,000


Several Migration Program targets were changed throughout the 1990’s to accommodate a variety of factors. These included overseas students, “Priority Occupation Lists” where targeted skills were given special consideration on migration application, English skills of migrants, tightening labour markets. A directional change in migration policy took place in 1993 that focused on smaller objective driven policies, rather than a general impetus for increasing or decreasing the migration intake. An example of this was increasing business related immigrants who had the capital and skills to increase domestic economic activity


Towards the end of the 1990’s as the population increased to 19 million, heightened emphasis was awarded to skilled immigrant applications and a definitive target for humanitarian related intake was set each year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chef d (talk • contribs) 12:27, 17 March 2006.

[edit] Checkered past

Can an article starting with "Australian Immigration has a checkered past" really be considered a factual article for an encyclopedia? I don't think so, which is why I've edited that and other politically loaded comments here.

I've also added a (referenced)fact that few of the Australian government's detractors on this issue, ie, that Australia has the second-largest refugee resettlement program in the world after the much bigger and richer USA. I guess the Australian government's POV is that we are happy to take our fair share of refugees, but only by legitimate means of arrival. Having boatloads simply rocking up on the beach so that we can't control the numbers entering Australia will lead to more than we can cope with arriving and is unsafe to the refugees themselves, and therefore must be deterred by mandatory detention and other measures.

Note that I'm including these POV's here, where they should be, rather than in the article itself which should stick to the facts. bozboy(yet to register on wiki). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.101.231.9 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 12 May 2006.

[edit] terminology

There is a terminology dispute ongoing which primarily involves U.S. participants, but might benefit from the involvement of people knowledgable about immigration politics in other countries. Usage on Wikipedia is inconsistent between undocumented immigrant, illegal immigrant, and illegal alien. A central guideline should be adopted. A proposed one, with different versions recommending "illegal" and "undocumented," is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (immigration). Kalkin 18:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Get rid of the Infobox??

Do we need the infobox at the bottom of the page? Every link is a red one. Does it provide any use? Are the articles it referes to actually ever going to be created, much less be of any use?? I suspect not.--Merbabu 23:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population growth

"However, opponents of population growth assert the Federal Government's claims of negative population growth are fallacious as at current levels of migration and fertility, Australia's population will pass 30 million by mid-century - a 50% increase."

The ABS and CSIRO have come to similar conclusions. Based on the high levels of immigration that Australia is currently experiencing, Australia will have a population of 32 million by 2050. See the Future Dilemmas projections. How can Costello honestly claim that we risk negative population growth at current levels? ZwickauDeluxe 06:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs a total rewrite

It started out as factual, and has been successively loaded with different opinions ranging from the environment to the salary of IT workers. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is biased, but there are far more opinions being expressed than what it warrants. In short, this article is unwieldy and suffocates any meaningful information. Remember, we are discussing what has happened, not about what is going to happen or what ought to happen.

A rewritten article would just have:

  • Initial European settlement (where, when, who)
  • Various surges of immigration, like transportation, the Gold Rushes, post-War migration, post-Vietnam War
  • Various immigration policies (White Australia, assisted migration, mandatory detention).
  • Cultural, social and economic impacts of immigration
  • And, don't forget to include some reliable statistics on immigration (the ABS has plenty).

Note: if you are trying to "write for the enemy" and then write a counter-argument against your devil's advocacy, it is fair to also write a counter-argument to views that you believe in. Kransky 00:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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