User talk:Imbris

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Slušaj bre, imam pametnija posla nego da odgovaram na tvoje gluposti ovde. Mislim da je vreme da napustiš Vikipediju i da pređeš na stormfront forum gde će tvoje fašističke ideje biti tolerisane. Ovo ti je samo upozorenje, ali ako se ne smiriš i ne počneš da radiš nešto korisno bićeš banovan, jer se takve nacionalističke provokacije i podjebavanje kojima se baviš ne tolerišu na Vikipediji. PANONIAN (talk) 01:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

From where I am standing your discussion is the one that is provocative, if I am guilty of anything that is trying to communicate with someone who is constant in declaring of ones own truth, and not open minded. See my lattest Vojvodina-1848-1.png - are you happy now, just 19 kB. Imbris 02:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ne, nisam zadovoljan sa tvojom slikom, jer mojoj slici ne fali ništa i nema ni jednog razloga da je crtaš ponovo. I ne radi se o "mojoj" istini već o banalnim stvarima prihvaćenim od većine istoričara, koje se tebi ne sviđaju zbog tvojih političkih ideja. A veoma je lepo što si sada te svoje političke ideje i objasnio na mojoj stranici za razgovor, tako da je potpuno jasno da tvoj cilj na Vikipediji uopšte nije nauka već politika. Inače za razliku od tebe, moji politički ciljevi su da živim u miru, da imam posao i normalan život u zemlji u kojoj nema političkih i ratnih sukoba - a upravo ljudi kao ti izazivaju te sukobe i time mi onemogućavaju da živim normalno. I prema tome, nemoj misliti da je Vikipedija mesto gde ćeš moći da širiš mržnju i da izazivaš takve sukobe - cilj Vikipedije je da postigne nešto sasvim drugo. PANONIAN (talk) 19:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Who is spreading hatred and causing conflict. Not me. Speak in English on English Wiki. Everything about you is funny. Some kind of a hipocrat, I don't know yet. But I will find out. Imbris 02:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Не морам да пишем енглески, јер ме одлично разумеш и овако, а само за тебе као провереног србофоба ћу писати ћирилицом (ја иначе углавном пишем латиницом, али само због тебе ћу користити ћирилицу). А конфликте стварају људи као ти који желе да изазову нестабилност и нове ратове. Међутим, управо за тебе као припадника мањине ти ратови могу да буду и најпогубнији, јер ако будале као ти сутра и изазову рат у Војводини, немој да сумњаш да ће тај рат најпогубнији бити управо по хрватску и мађарску мањину, и зато ако наставиш да лајеш као пас и шириш мржњу према Србима, онда ти је боље да на време купиш и један трактор, јер на чему ћеш јадан бежати кад и Срби почну да лају, а богами и уједају - ваљда не на својим нејаким ножицама? Ајде ме сад остави на миру и не смарај више - што је много, много је. PANONIAN (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Panonian, just FYI, anyone with good knowledge of any Slavic language can read Serbian well enough to know what you are saying. So first of all, it's not a very effective "secret code", and second of all, quit the personal attacks, will you? You probably wouldn't get into so many fights if you would be civil. K. Lásztocska 17:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I hide nothing here - I wrote in Cyrillic simply because user Imbris does not like it. And it is not me who is not civil here but him - he insulted both, my personality and my nationality, not to mention that he constantly lie about historical facts - so what you expect from me - to like him? He is disruptive user because most of his edits are trolling, provocations and insults, and not only that he do not do useful work here, but also stopping other users like me to do something useful instead having long discussions with him about basic historical facts. PANONIAN (talk) 18:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You insult people too, on a very regular basis. In your time you've insulted just about everyone on wiki who is not Serbian. If you hope to keep contributing to Wikipedia, I would respectfully suggest that you clean up your act. K. Lásztocska 20:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

This is just ridiculous - I really have no problem if somebody is not Serbian, the only problem that I have are people who have no good faith on their edits and who come to Wikipedia to spread "speech of hate". The main problem is that administration of Wikipedia cannot deal with those people so they come to "edit" articles that are on my watch list, so I have to deal with them. And, K. Lásztocska, do not try to theat me because you are not angel as well. PANONIAN (talk) 10:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, nobody's perfect, but at least I don't call everyone who disagrees with me a fascist or a "Greater (insert country here) nationalist". I'm also not the only one who is disturbed by your belligerence. You can ask around if you like.K. Lásztocska

I am not guilty because those people are Greater (country) nationalists and I do not see why they would be disturbed if I tell them the truth about them. PANONIAN (talk) 12:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not true, I have learned it school, but I'm not good at reading it. So I will not even try to decyfre it. For one page of cyrillic script I would have to have an hour of spare time.
Most of my edits are not trolling, provocations and insults, whenever I edit something of Panonians interest I firstly open a discusion about it. I am not disruptive, someone else is just that.
Basic historical facts, I don't think so because someone I know does not even know them.
The workload of someone can't be a measurment for she's or he's usefullness. Even if someone is new here - he or she can be very old and serious.
I have not insulted him, not in a way he insults me.
Someone who is against borders - and - just loves to draw them.
I have not even once offended his nationality - just the opposite I think he is a hard-core national, but not in a good way. I am affraid not.

Imbris 18:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Pa ako ne znaš ćirilicu onda znači da i ne živiš u Vojvodini, pa odakle ti onda pravo da nekome iz Vojvodine soliš pamet u kojoj državi treba da živi? Samo me zanima odgovor na to pitanje, a na ostale gluposti nemam nameru da odgovaram. PANONIAN (talk) 20:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I have read it, don't woory be happy. And I have conections in Vojvodia, but have not heard that a war is just going to start. Shameful. Please do not write on my talk page, unless you have a problem of the encyclopeadical nature. You don't have intention to answer. You will talk even if you have not anything to say. Imbris 20:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

1 Re: advice
2 official welcome
3 calm down...
4 Warning

[edit] Re: advice

Hi Imbris. Don't leave Wikipedia! I can see you've had a pretty bad few days, and that's tough especially since you are a newbie. :) I would suggest for now you just avoid controversial political issues and give everyone a chance to calm down. What are some of your other interests? Are you a literature person? More of a science type? Know much about music? Work on articles about those kinds of things for a while. You will meet nice people on the Wiki, I promise. :) For now, just leave the Serbia map alone. It's not really a big enough issue to get too worked up over. Explore the Wiki, work on other topics, make some friends. :) Good luck! K. Lásztocska 04:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Very good advice: I would also suggest to him to edit articles without controversial anti-Serb political agenda and he will not have objections from me as well. PANONIAN (talk) 12:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Stay cool, Panonian, we agreed to peace, not just a cold war. :) How about just "keep away from politics altogether for a while," as we all know that "anti-Serb agenda" is a rather subjective thing, and what might seem atrociously biased to you might seem totally normal and acceptable to someone else, and vice versa, and on and on like that... K. Lásztocska 00:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, as for mediation and things like that, I've found that these sort of "comrades' courts" usually just degenerate into a he-said, she-said kind of nonsense, strengthening old enmities and alliances and not ever really providing any fresh perspective or resolution to a debate. If you don't want to try and come to an agreement with Panonian, well, you're on your own. Don't expect me to get involved anymore in fights between two angry former-Yugoslavians. K. Lásztocska 22:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I have some more advice: leave Panonian alone. At first it looked to me like just an ordinary wiki war, but now I see you are continuing to be aggressive even as he has tried to calm things down and compromise. That is against Wikipedia policy and general community manners--see WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. K. Lásztocska 13:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] official welcome

Oh my goodness, you poor neglected newbie. You got into a fight before anyone even officially welcomed you to Wikipedia! Here is the official greeting:

Welcome!

Hello, Imbris, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} after the question on your talk page. Again, welcome!

K. Lásztocska 04:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] calm down...

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

K. Lásztocska 18:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)