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[edit] December 11

[edit] Image:Purestleaf.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Ace 112121 (notify | contribs). Orphaned image, unencyclopedic, advertisement/logo of a non-notable clan on an MMORPG—Agentscott00(talk) 02:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - this image stands less chance of being used in an article than someone sitting on a stepladder in no-mans land smoking cigars through a luminous balaclava. This clan simply isn't notable; there is no trace of them anywhere outside their own forums. CaptainVindaloo t c e 16:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Epileptic medusa 16.gif (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Xiong (notify | contribs). OR, AB Nv8200p talk 04:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Equipo Balonmano Granollers.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Raymond Cruise (notify | contribs). Orphan, Probably not GFDL Nv8200p talk 04:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:40oz. Slushie2.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Queen Of Spades (notify | contribs). OR, AB and improperly tagged I believe. Nv8200p talk 04:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Towerplaza5.JPG (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Bbb878b (notify | contribs). OR, AB Nv8200p talk 04:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Passportmichaelparodi.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Andrew Parodi (notify | contribs). OR, UE Nv8200p talk 04:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Th eac.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by SuMadre (notify | contribs). OR, UE Nv8200p talk 04:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:UJV.GIF (talk | delete)
Uploaded by ValeLoyalist (notify | contribs). Orphan, improperly tagged Nv8200p talk 04:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:ZastavaAustroUgarska1878.gif (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Kseferovic (notify | contribs). Orphan, Improperly tagged Nv8200p talk 04:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:WTC In Memorium.png (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Messedrocker (notify | contribs). OR, UE Nv8200p talk 04:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:IMG 0295w.JPG (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Taking a photo of something doesn't give you the copyright. — Rebelguys2 talk 04:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Really? I thought it did. .V. 22:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Not if it can be considered a derivative of a copyrighted work. -Nv8200p talk 00:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:EricGaskins.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by MarkoNYC (notify | contribs). OR, AB Nv8200p talk 05:09, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:DSC00959.JPG (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Fadingnights (notify | contribs). OR, UE, used in now-deleted vanity bio.—Calton | Talk 07:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Patinhat.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Flatfootedninja (notify | contribs). OR, UE, used in now-deleted vanity bio.—Calton | Talk 07:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Duck_knife.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by SPUI (notify | contribs). Unencyclopedic, orphaned —PeregrineAY 08:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC).
Erm, the image is on Commons... ★MESSEDROCKER★ 12:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Mobi.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Ajdrosario (notify | contribs). OR, AB, wrong tag. Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 12:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Image-Polaris A3T RV toe-in and tilt-out.gif (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Our image use policy states that "user-created images may not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use." Additionally, this image isn't used in any articles. — Rebelguys2 talk 17:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Although the watermark here is the main violation, I believe it's only fair use images that are not allowed to be orphaned. This is a free use image. Roguegeek (talk) 10:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Chevaline patrol limits.gif (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Orphaned image that has been replaced by the correct version Image:Chevaline patrol limits-corrected.gif — Rebelguys2 talk 17:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:ASROC-splashdown.PNG (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Orphaned image that has been replaced by the correct version Image:ASROC-splashdown-corrected.PNG — Rebelguys2 talk 18:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Development of US SLBMs.png (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Our image use policy states that "user-created images may not be watermarked, distorted, have any credits in the image itself or anything else that would hamper their free use." Additionally, this image isn't used in any articles. — Rebelguys2 talk 18:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Although the watermark here is the main violation, I believe it's only fair use images that are not allowed to be orphaned. This is a free use image. Roguegeek (talk) 10:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ikara-cutway.PNG (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Orphaned image that has been replaced by Image:Ikara-cutway-mod.PNG — Rebelguys2 talk 18:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Storyboard.gif (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Brian.Burnell (notify | contribs). Orphaned image. — Rebelguys2 talk 18:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Image is free use and not fair use. Fair use orphaned images are not allowed. Roguegeek (talk) 10:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:NRT6_2001.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Dandelion1 (notify | contribs). Unencyclopedic--Hornetman16 18:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Don't be absurd. That article has POV problems, and I've taken issue with the over-use of images myself. But no one could possibly call this picture pornographic.
    Edited to add: the nominator altered his nomination text after Dandelion and I replied. It originally said "Child Porno" rather than "Unencyclopedic"
    DanB†DanD 20:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe soon it will say "I simply don't like this image, it makes me feel uncomfortable and I'm suspicious of people who engage in public nudity with children present". User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 23:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree the article is not very good right now, but it is better than nothing, let's encourage people to develop it. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 23:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Listen Hornetman16, this image may be pornographic to you, maybe any naked picture is porno to you, but it isn't in any kind of sexualized context. I uploaded the picture myself and received permission from the photographer in Germany. It is a picture taken during a non-sexualized bike ride, Nackt Radtour. Get over it. If you have an objection, please state the appropriate wikipedia policy instead of just wasting our collective time and energy here. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 20:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
    • What sort of permission did you receive? Please keep in mind that merely receiving permission to use the photo on Wikipedia does not make the image "free enough". Specifically, the provider of the photo needs to grant permission for the photo to be used for any purposes, including commercial, and for any kind of derivative work to be created. If all he gave you was permission to use the photo on Wikipedia, that is insufficient. Please see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission#When permission is confirmed for the steps that should be taken to confirm with the Wikimedia office that permission has been received. Also, it is highly inappropriate to have URLs or photo credits embedded in a free image used on Wikipedia. So really, that mark needs to be removed. BigDT 21:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Also, please note that some of your other uploads say "courtesy of", but don't explicitly define what kind of permission was given. For obvious reasons, I'm not inclined to look at anything other than the text descriptions, but for any image where you are asserting permission to use it, it is best if either (a) the copyright holder contacts the Wikimedia office in the steps outlined here or, failing that, (b), you explicitly state, apart from merely including a tag, the exact words that the copyright holder told you. Far too many images on Wikipedia are images that someone just found in a google images search and tagged with whatever the heck they wanted to. There needs to be something somewhere telling us that that is not the case. BigDT 21:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
        • OK, calm down. Everything is going to be alright. I'm looking into this with the copyright holder. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 23:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - factual photo of a public asexual event. --Bilbo B 20:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete - I don't care this photo isn't right. This is an encyclopedia NOT a issue of Playboy or Playgirl.--Hornetman16 21:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I find it very disturbing that you find this image to be sexualized as if it belongs in Playboy or Playgirl. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 21:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
What the Hell? What is up with you and every photo you post being about nudity?--Hornetman16 22:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to improve Wikipedia coverage on topics covering nudity. Many of the articles are not up to par with the rest of Wikipedia and I'm trying to improve this. Does that upset you, little man?
Time out... I hope we can reach a consensus on this while keeping the discussion civil. Addressing Hornetman16's comments, it's clear to me that this image shows nudity, but not sexuality, as no sexual activity or arousal is depicted. Can you clarify why it reminds you of Playboy or Playgirl? --Ssbohio 00:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This is bullshit. He wanted to delete the image because he claimed it was child porn. Completely baseless. Now he is saying something else and other opportunistic prudes are picking on it now because the permissions given just aren't clear enough. People are constantly picking on naked images because they personally don't like them. I'm getting sick of it. I would like to see this debate rejected as it was submitted and restarted for a proper reason other than the warped sensibilities of a 16 year old kid who is making analogies to pornographic publications. I've already indicated I am working to resolve the permissions with the copyright holder. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 02:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:BITE, WP:NPA, and WP:CIVIL. Obviously, the original nominator is a new user who is unaware that Wikipedia is not censored for minors. Regardless of the erroneous reasoning for the original nomination, it has uncovered possible copyright problems. If you look through my contributions to either the image namespace [1] or the Wikipedia namespace [2], you will notice that I am quite active in helping to ensure that Wikipedia's content is, in fact, free. My personal viewpoints on pornography are obvious - I'm a born again Christian - but they are irrelevant. I was on this page nominating other CV images, noticed this discussion, and investigated the image. When I investigated it, I found two concerns - an owner mark and a possible copyright violation. There's nothing more, nor less than that. Obviously, the original nominator is new to Wikipedia. I've talked with him briefly and pointed him in the direction of some policies on image use. Please try to be civil and realize that not everyone who comes here knows all the rules. BigDT 03:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This kid thinks he is on a crusade to rid Wikipedia of images he [erroneously] considers to be child pornography, even when they are not. On his talk page he says "By the way some of the pages have child porno which IS aganst the FLORIDA LAW THANKS YOU SO THAT SHOULD GO!!!!". Where has he corrected himself? Not here! No... that would be taking responsibility for his actions... far too much to expect from him. I'm not going to let this nomination to stand on his request. I'm not going to let this little guy bad mouth me on my talk page and suggest some how I am fucked up to try to improve these articles. I want this request for image deletion removed and resubmitted under violated Wikipedia policy. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 05:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Where are the arguments about this image being "Unencyclopedic" as the kid has now claimed? He has openly said "I don't care this photo isn't right". He really doesn't care. He's not even contributing to this debate which he started. I want to see this debate focused on the reasons it was submitted for deletion otherwise this request should be withdrawn!!! User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 05:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
This isn't the legal system and it isn't a court trial. The reason for which the image was originally nominated is obviously out of line with Wikipedia policies. I don't think anyone questions that. The only issue that matters is copyright. If you have contacted the copyright holder before for permission purposes, what is the problem with doing it again to get him to say the magic words necessary to allow the image to be used on Wikipedia? BigDT 01:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
GNU Free Document License has been granted by the copyright holder I will forward the info to the appropriate Wikipedia office. The copyright holder has also asked me to remove the watermark because he does not have the time. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 05:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete unless (1) permission to use the image in a license compatible with the GFDL can be confirmed and (2) the source website image mark is removed. BigDT 21:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
    • FYI the injunction against watermarked images applies only to user-created content per WP:IUP. Since this is not the case here, the watermark can stay (but if the licensing is really {{attribution}} we can just crop that out ourselves). howcheng {chat} 07:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Ok ... that's fine ... for that matter, unless the image were just being used for spam/advertising purposes, having a creator mark in the corner (as this one does), as opposed to an obtrusive watermark spanning the entire image, doesn't matter too terribly much, since, as you correctly point out, it can be removed by anyone if the image truly is a free one. So the only issue here is whether the creator has truly released all rights to the image. BigDT 01:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Fix Copyvio or Weak Delete This picture illustrates well the subject of the article. However, there is no"but it's really useful" exception to copyright, in general. Because of the copyright violation potential, it should probably be deleted & replaced. Barring that, copyright & permission needs to be explicitly established (no pun). --Ssbohio 00:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Criticism is unfounded. Izaakb 18:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Reasons for delete are not justified in terms of Wikipedia policy and criticism is based on personal belief. Roguegeek (talk) 09:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Unfounded reason ('Unencyclopedic'). If there is a copyvio, it should have been nominated as such. Edokter 12:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep News flash: some people can be naked without it being sexualized. .V. 22:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Wikipedia is not censored - If you find an image disturbing, don't look at it, simple as that. As long as there's no copyright violation there should be no reason to delete it. Agentscott00(talk) 06:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Whether or not the people here wish to construe this image as child pornography isn't the point. Can it be construed that way? Obviously some people here seem to think so. Given that, we could readily expect other people outside of Wikipedia to think so. We stand a chance of being legally accountable for posting an image of a naked child on our website and allowing it to remain. In exchange for that risk, we gain the use of this image on two articles...two articles that already have substantial imagery more than adequate to depict the topic in question. So what do we gain from this image? Nothing. Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors does not apply here. The legal aspects of this trump all other considerations. --Durin 21:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
    • You're being paranoid. A naked child does not equal pornography. If Wikipedia would indeed "stand a chance of being legally accountable", I think Jimbo would have been arrested by the FBI a long time ago. Edokter 22:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
      • As I noted above, it's not about whether it is pornography. It's a matter of whether it can be construed as such by other people. As obviously seen above, it can be. I'm not interested in debating whether it is pornography. That's a subjective issue and not relevent. The issue here is the risk associated with having a naked child on the website for a gain of...nothing. Nothing about those articles is improved by having a picture containing a naked child in it. Stay focused on our mission; creating an encyclopedia. What does having this picture add vs. the associated risk? That's a bad ratio for us. We can just as easily improve the article through other means without exposing ourselves to such risk. --Durin 03:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
        • This is a disturbing argument. Ever heard the phrase chilling effect? Yeah. (of course I agree that the image must go if the copyright problem can't be resolved.) 67.101.43.62 07:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Actually, it is about wether is is porn or not, not what can be construed as porn by Jane and Joe. The law is very clear about this. If you have a problem, please contact your local police department, but do not be surprised when they tell you they won't take action, simply because it isn't porn. Edokter 10:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Durin, my good buddy, Wikipedians don't need to be chickenshit paranoid and cowardly either just because some people think casual nudity, at any age, is pornographic. You may be afraid, you may be concerned, you might like to remove the image, but I feel you don't have any good arguments supporting your position. I'm not going to personally balk from every effort any putz person (in this case one who won't even stand up for himself) will front over this image's context. This image and related images on Wikipedia from the event say a lot and there are a great asset to Wikipedia. There was nothing pornographic that happened during the ride, I have screened the orginal film depicted by these pictures for screening at the Naked Freedom Film Festival (I had to pull the movie because of a dispute with the film's owner about english subtitles and editing). Seattle WNBR also has naked children in our events. It is becoming quite common to see in Seattle. The Fremont Solstice Parade also sees a few naked children. Its not a big deal. This issue is worth discussing and having pictures helps illustrate points just as well as any words. User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 08:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Pr923696.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Bx228 (notify | contribs). (Not an orphan) The web address emblazened on the image - www.pr92.tk - is a commercial website with eleventy billion ads, some of which are pornographic. That is (1) inappropriate and (2) makes me question if the image is free. BigDT 19:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Hisardzik.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Bx228 (notify | contribs). (Not an orphan) Some kind of bad interference ... it looks like this photo is from aiming a camera at a TV ... in which case it would not be available under a free license. BigDT 20:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Pr923695.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Bx228 (notify | contribs). (Not an orphan) The web address emblazened on the image - www.pr92.tk - is a commercial website with eleventy billion ads, some of which are pornographic. That is (1) inappropriate and (2) makes me question if the image is free. BigDT 20:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:NickBergAP.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Stevertigo (notify | contribs). Does not meet fair use rationale per WP:FAIR#Counterexamples.—Strothra 21:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ducati monster 800.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Izaakb (notify | contribs). Orphaned fair use. Failed first fair use. No fair use rationale. —Roguegeek (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ducati mach1 800.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Izaakb (notify | contribs). Orphaned fair use. Failed first fair use. No fair use rationale. —Roguegeek (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The image was not an orphan until Roguegeek removed it from the article Ducati.

1.  The item pictured is no longer available to be photographed.  Factory original Concept Mach 1 motorcycles are non-existent.

1. No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. If unfree material can be transformed into free material, it should be done instead of using a "fair use" defense. For example, the information in a newspaper article can easily be used as a basis of an original article and then cited as a reference. Maps and diagrams can often be redrawn from original sources, though simply "tracing" copyrighted material does not make it free. Neither photographs nor sound clips, however, can usually be "transformed" in this way. However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken.

2.  The use of the picture does not replace the original market role of the original media.

2. The material must not be used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media; our use of copyrighted material should not make it so that one no longer needs to purchase the actual product. Large copyrighted photographs from agencies that make their income selling photographs, for example, would likely not be "fair use" as it would be undermining the ability of the copyright holder to make money from their work.

3. The posted pic is a low-resolution copy.

3. The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible. Low-resolution images should be used instead of high-resolution images (especially images that are so high-resolution that they could be used for piracy). Do not use multiple images or media clips if one will serve the purpose adequately.

4. The material has been published in various books, including Ian Falloon's Standard Catalogue of Ducatis.

4. The material must have previously been published.

5.  The material is encyclopaedic and illustrates a milestone in the development of the article subject (Ducati)

5. The material must be encyclopedic and otherwise meet general Wikipedia content requirements.

6.  Meets these herein.

6. The material must meet the media-specific policy requirements.

7.  Used in Ducati

7. The material must be used in at least one article.

8.  Used exclusively to illustrate the subject matter of the picture.

8. The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose.

9.  Only used in the article namespace.

9. Fair use images may be used only in the article namespace. Used outside article space, they are not covered under the fair use doctrine. They should never be used on templates (including stub templates and navigation boxes) or on user pages. They should be linked, not inlined, from talk pages when they are the topic of discussion. This is because it is the policy of the Wikimedia Foundation to allow an unfree image only if no free alternative exists and only if it significantly improves the article it is included on. All other uses, even if legal under the fair use clauses of copyright law, should be avoided to keep the use of unfree images to a minimum. Exceptions can be made on a case-by-case basis if there is a broad consensus that doing so is necessary to the goal of creating a free encyclopedia (like the templates used as part of the Main Page)

10.  Contains all of these.

10. The image or media description page must contain: * Proper attribution of the source of the material, and attribution of the copyright holder (if it is different). * An appropriate fair use tag indicating which Wikipedia policy provision permitting the use is claimed. A list of image tags can be found on the Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use page. * For each article for which fair use is claimed, the name of the article and a "fair use rationale" as explained in Wikipedia:Image description page. The rationale must be presented in a manner that can be clearly understood and which is relevant to the article in question.

Izaakb 18:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Call me crazy, but this looks like a drawing, not a photograph. Anyone can make a drawing, this failing criterion #1.BigDT 01:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a photograph that has been artistically enhanced to look like a drawing. The original is unavailable. Izaakb 14:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

OK ... but wouldn't a user-created drawing "adequately give the same information" as a photograph that looks virtually indistinguishable from a drawing? BigDT 01:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't think so. The issue is what does "adequately...the same information" mean? I'd prefer to have an actual photograph of the bike, but no more exist. Since no more exist, no one could create an adequately accurate drawing. Izaakb 15:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Ducati HyperMotard 800.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Izaakb (notify | contribs). Orphaned fair use. Failed first fair use. No fair use rationale. —Roguegeek (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:999SBK.jpg (talk | delete)
Uploaded by Izaakb (notify | contribs). Orphaned fair use. Failed first fair use. No fair use rationale. —Roguegeek (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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