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Uploaded by JensaaraiX (notify | contribs). UE (nonsense picture of what looks to be some drunkard or another) --EEMeltonIV 05:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Shy1520 (notify | contribs). WARNING: image NSFW - Not a book cover - presumably a photo from within the book, used to illustrate the subject BigDT 12:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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All uploaded by User:The Anomebot (bot maintainer has been informed that I'm posting these for deletion). OB, OR by these images on Commons. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 09:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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All uploaded by User:The Anomebot (bot maintainer has been informed that I'm posting these for deletion). OB, OR by these images on Commons. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 11:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Madiha 17 (notify | contribs). OR, probably not really a free image BigDT 12:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Madiha 17 (notify | contribs). Watermarked with "www.dctorrent.com". That is inappropriate for encyclopedic use. BigDT 12:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:ChicagoPoems.pdf (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Hfortune (notify | contribs). OR, WP is not Wikisource BigDT 14:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Hfortune (notify | contribs). OR, WP is not Wikisource BigDT 14:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by [[User talk:User talk:Phw#Image:Dermotmorgan_chair.JPG listed for deletion|User talk:Phw]] ([{{fullurl:User talk:User talk:Phw|action=edit}} notify] | [[Special:Contributions/User talk:Phw|contribs]]). obsoleted by correctly rotated image Image:Dermot_Morgan_Memorial_Chair.jpg Phw 16:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by myself. Replaced by Image:BBC Simon McCoy.JPG which is better image and smaller file size. Wikiwoohoo 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Womenfitness menopauselady.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Womenfitness (notify | contribs). Orphan, uploader has only contributed these images, all from http://www.womenfitness.net/. —Bkell (talk) 16:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Uploader not notified for the following images. Relisted from August 2. howch e ng {chat} 17:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Elohimgenius (notify | contribs). Orphan, redundant to Image:Flag of the United States.svg. —Bkell (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

From my talk page:

Please go ahead and delete it. Thank You--Gnosis 23:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Starze (notify | contribs). Fair use image with the following rationale: "The rationale behind making this image ok is that there are countless websites redistributing this same public image." In other words, if everyone steals, it's OK if we steal too. howch e ng {chat} 18:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Starze (notify | contribs). Same as above. howch e ng {chat} 18:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Starze (notify | contribs). Same as above. howch e ng {chat} 18:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded by Petrucci (notify | contribs). AB; Fair use image being only used for decoration. Violates WP:FAIR#Policy item 8. howch e ng {chat} 18:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lebanese ambulance.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Jeremygbyrne (notify | contribs). AP photo, invalid example of fair use under WP:FAIR#Counterexamples #5, we really need a CSD for these things BigDT 18:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The image itself is "newsworthy" in that it was widely publicised and discussed, and depicts an important characteristic of the conflict (ie. the targeting of ambulances). Its removal would signficantly reduce the quality of the relevant article and, given its unique character and circumstances, could easily be mistaken for partisan censorship. — JEREMY 03:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the image is newsworthy. So newsworthy, in fact, that it was published by a news agency, which derives its income from selling such photos. We cannot violate the news agency's copyright by reproducing it here for free. This has nothing to do with partisan censorship; it has everything to do with copyright law. Please read Wikipedia:Fair use#Counterexamples (which BigDT has already linked to). —Bkell (talk) 04:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I've read the counterexamples thoroughly, and responded above. Newsworthiness still trumps copyright. The image is unique and too important in the current context to be censored-in-anticipation for economic reasons. If AP complains that's a different matter, although I very much doubt they would. If you like, substitute a lower resolution version compatible with the current thumbnail display size. — JEREMY 05:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

No. When the counterexample refers to photos themselves that are newsworthy, it means that there are news reports about the photograph (as opposed to news reports about whatever the photograph illustrates). If you're going to claim that this ambulance photo is itself newsworthy, then the article that uses it needs to explain the news reports about that particular photo. This photograph cannot be used to illustrate an article about ambulances being bombed, which is how it's being used now. This photograph could be used in an article about some uproar that was caused by this particular photograph. An example of a newsworthy photograph is the recent Reuters photograph of smoke rising from Beirut that was apparently altered [1]. Here, there are news reports about this particular photograph: they analyze the image itself, talk about how this instance of photo manipulation has called into question the integrity of other photos by that photographer, and so on. Do you see the difference? —Bkell (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

One favours Israel and the other doesn't? Seriously, the targeted removal of this image in the current political climate would encourage a political interpretation. If we receive any correspondence from the relevant news organisation, naturally we should consider it (and indeed, it would demonstrate to all but the most paranoid that this isn't part of some Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to hide evidence of Israeli misdeeds), but this kind of proactive self-censorship in a circumstance where the fair use validity of the image is open to debate is not helpful to the project. — JEREMY 06:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no hidden political agenda here. I am, believe it or not, entirely neutral about the Israel–Lebanon conflict, mainly because I avoid watching the news or reading newspapers. Similar copyright violations, of images "from both sides" of the conflict, have been deleted for the same reason. See Image talk:Child female victim of the 2006 Israeli Airstrike on Qana.jpg for an example from each side. —Bkell (talk) 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not accusing you of having an agenda. However, deletion of this particular iconic image from the article section it uniquely illustrates (ie. for which no free source exists) would be readily interpreted as political. The examples in your link are not unique representations of the things they depict, and thus the analogy is invalid. This is an image for which no substitute exists; myriad examples of similar fair use can be found on wikipedia. If AP objects, then fine (although that in and of itself might be newsworthy). For us to self-censor on economic grounds because we're afraid that they might object makes no sense at all in this particular circumstance. — JEREMY 07:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You miss the point of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. It's not solely to cover our asses for economic or legal reasons, because in reality it's rather unlikely that any particular copyright holder will even bother to contact us about a copyright violation, much less take the matter to court. The fair-use policy exists because one of the primary goals of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia of free content that anyone can use for any purpose. Obviously, since this ambulance photo is copyrighted, it is not free content that anyone can use for any purpose. Wikipedia policy is intentionally very strict about such images. Also, the first item of the policy, which states that fair-use images must have no free alternatives available, does not mean that any image with no free alternatives available automatically qualifies as fair use, even if it significantly improves a Wikipedia article. Every fair-use image must also satisfy all nine of the other criteria. In this case, it is the second criterion that is being violated: "The material should not be used in a manner that would likely replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media." That is the reasoning behind the fifth counterexample. There are plenty of precedents on Wikipedia for deleting photographs that came from news agencies. This is just like all the previous cases. —Bkell (talk) 07:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I realise that the image can't be re-used on commercial wikipedia spin-offs; it can, however, be used on wikipedia. Its use on wikipedia is in no way "likely [to] replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media" and, like many similar press photo images in wikipedia, its encyclopaedic value is more significant than the potentially negative results of its inability to be reused by commercial re-use. I have now replaced it with a lo-res version ensure that it retains as little commercial value as possible, and hope this is satisfactory. — JEREMY 08:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

We are taking the image from the Associated Press, which is in the business of selling such photos, without paying them for it, and claiming that we can do so legally just because it happens to illustrate an article that we're writing. That's a violation of copyright. If it wasn't, why wouldn't newspapers do the same thing? —Bkell (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure it's a copyright violation: Fair Use is one of those circumstances in which we're allowed by law to violate copyright. We do it because we're a free encyclopaedia providing free information for the benefit of all; newspapers don't do it because they're commercial entities with an income stream and a profit motive.

I notice that you've completely ignored my low-resolution compromise solution. I'm afraid I'm beginning to have doubts about your good faith. — JEREMY 23:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that we need to clarify what it means for the image itself to be newsworthy. Nobody questions that the SUBJECT of the image is newsworthy - it's newsworthy that an ambulance was hit. But that doesn't make the photo itself newsworthy. If you could write an encyclopedic article about the photo itself, then the image itself is newsworthy. I use Image:Kent State massacre.jpg as an example. This photo is in every American history book published in the last 20 years. Another one is this one - Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg. Again, it's in every history book. It's universally recognized. Another example would be [2]. This photo is not notable enough for a WP article, but the photo itself is a meme within the Virginia Tech community. In all three of these examples, the photo is NOT just illustrating a notable subject. Rather, the photo itself is iconic and can be discussed apart from the subject of the photo. The picture of the ambulance is only meaningful to illustrate an event. It's an important event, but that does not justify using a media photo. BigDT 00:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

As for copyright violation, "fair use" photos are NOT a copyright violation. That's the whole idea of "fair use" law. If you use material in keeping with the principles of fair use, you are not in violation of copyright laws in the US. As for the "low-resolution compromise", that's really a red herring. There really is no room to compromise. The use of a non-iconic media photo is not fair use and no image manipulation is going to change anything. This isn't like an article content dispute where you can split the difference - it really is an all or nothing thing. And in this case, it's nothing. This has nothing to do with politics or taking a position on the conflict. I went through the article that Striver pointed out and checked every photo to see if it had a media source - I don't care if it's pro-Israel or anti-Israel. BigDT 00:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You really should understand copyright law a little better before you start running around wikipedia tagging images like some IP vigilante. Fair Use is an affirmative defence to copyright infringement, which means that it doesn't even come into play unless copyright violation has occurred. A finding of fair use does not mean that violation didn't occur, rather than the violation was lawful. And the critical question here is not whether the photo is independently newsworthy (which I contend that it is, as it has been blogged about and used/discussed in the mainstream media extensively; its very nature is iconic: the picture so clearly captures the idea of "targeting" ambulances because of the accuracy of the main strike) but whether its use meets the tests for Fair Use as defined in precedential law. Thus, because it seeks to address those tests — specifically, my reduction of the image to a resolution too low to be re-used in any commercial sense — it is wholly germane to this discussion. Wikipedia is always about compromise, otherwise I could just ignore all the rules and simply delete your tag from the image, rather than spend all this time discussing it. — JEREMY 04:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The question of whether copyrighted material used under the fair use clause constitutes a violation of copyright is really one of semantics. You can either view the situation as being that U.S. copyright law allows copyright holders to restrict how their works are used, except that they cannot restrict "fair use", in which case fair use is not a violation, because the user is not violating any rights that the copyright holder has. On the other hand, you can view fair use as a legal defense as Jeremy does, and claim that the fair use clause makes certain copyright violations legal. It doesn't make much difference, really. For what it's worth, the Copyright Office appears to view fair use and infringement as separate in FL 102: "The distinction between 'fair use' and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined."

But that semantic debate is not germane here. The question is whether the use of this image falls under fair use. The article is not analyzing the photo itself; the article is using the photo as an illustration. The photo came from a news agency, and Wikipedia is taking and using what the news agency sells without paying for it. I'm not convinced that this is fair use. Moreover, beyond just convincing me that it's fair use under U.S. copyright law, you also must establish that it's acceptable under the Wikipedia fair-use guidelines, especially the relevant policy, which is intentionally stricter than legally necessary. I think I've said all I really need to say here, and I think there's plenty of precedent on Wikipedia for deleting images just like this one. —Bkell (talk) 04:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

JEREMY, you are welcome to your opinion, but it is not consistent with United States law. [3] "The fair use of a copyrighted work ... is not an infringement of copyright." Fair use is NOT a copyright violation. At any rate, Bkell is correct. It irrelevant what you call it - you can't take a picture from a news service and call it "fair use". BigDT 12:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, let's leave aside the legalistic arguments about the fair use (which I maintain operates as an affirmative defence to infringement in precedential law although, given the ambiguity of the situation, I do apologise for my tone above). But certainly you can "take a picture from a news service and call it fair use"; that's what fair use is all about: it allows us to make use of copyrighted works in certain contexts, without permission or payment. Wikipedia's use of this image satisfies all of the legal tests for fair use as found in section 107. Fair use does not require anything special about context: those requirements are part of the guidelines the project suggests we should take into account when deciding whether to use a copyrighted image like this. (Note that these are guidelines and not rules — a very important distinction in this project — and indeed are "stricter" than fair use precisely to allow us to stretch those guidelines while remaining within the scope of the fair use defence.) As I've said above, I think it's clear that our use of the low-resolution and thus commercially valueless version of the image, given its iconic status and the coverage that the image itself has received internationally, falls clearly within wikipedia's guidelines, as well as (more obviously) the provisions of the law. If you like, I'm happy to take this to mediation. — JEREMY 00:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the Wikipedia fair-use policy is policy, not just a guideline. —Bkell (talk) 02:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough; thanks for pointing that out. Having now gone through the policy section carefully, I am entirely satisfied that the use of the low-resolution version of this image in the current context is wholly consistent with wikipedia policy. (If you believe otherwise, please quote the exact section of the policy at issue and explain how the image violates it.) — JEREMY 04:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Jeremy, here's my advice. If you believe that this image is itself notable (i.e., this photograph is notable, independently from what the photograph depicts), then you should edit Targeting of civilian areas in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict to include a discussion about this photograph. What makes this particular photograph especially notable? Be sure that you provide sources for what you write. Currently the article doesn't discuss this image, and that's why I believe that this photograph itself is not notable, although certainly its content is. —Bkell (talk) 17:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Comet Hale Bopp reduced.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Luckymama58 (notify | contribs). OR, Low quality image where there are plenty of free images available BigDT 19:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Cmdblue.PNG (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Lieutenant Blue (notify | contribs). Orphan (except for user page), no source. Copyright tag says: "This image is copyrighted. The copyright holder allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that artist is notified prior to use, and permission is requested", which seems to defeat the point of the {{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat}} tag. —Bkell (talk) 19:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Hurricane Alllan TRACK.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Irfanfaiz (notify | contribs). OR, URL doesn't exist, but it is unlikely that it was a government website BigDT 19:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Irfanview.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Irfanfaiz (notify | contribs). OR, UE BigDT 19:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:IMG 8602.JPG (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Nfox (notify | contribs). OR, UE BigDT 19:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Colin!.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Luisdile02 (notify | contribs). OR, UE BigDT 19:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Marvel spider-man1.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by SamwiseG (notify | contribs). Issue not notable, redundant for other fair use rationale- HKMARKS 19:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:180px-VR Laos-Wappen 1.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by GilliamJF (notify | contribs). Ugly orphaned JPEG image redundant to Image:Laos coa.png. —Bkell (talk) 19:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

~~Image:Aviendha.jpg~~ - fan art, inappropriate.

Uploader not notified. Relisting this. howch e ng {chat} 19:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bus plate.svg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Gooday.1 (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:business plate.svg — Wwagner 20:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that Image:Bus plate.svg is not exactly redundant to Image:Business plate.svg: The former image says "BUS.", while the latter says "BUSINESS" in full. —Bkell (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I asked about it on Image Talk:Bus plate.svg, and the image uploader gave me the go-ahead to nom it for deletion, that it is "a failed experiment". — Wwagner 21:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Drapeau Marseille1.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Hardouin (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:Flag of Marseille.svg — Wwagner 20:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:IntelLogo.png (talk | delete)

Uploaded by DynaBlast (notify | contribs). Redundant to Image:Intel Logo.svg, only remaining use is a test page in user space — Wwagner 21:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:KCR Logo.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Cheung1303 (notify | contribs). Redundant to Image:KCR.svg, only remaining uses are user sandbox pages — Wwagner 21:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Logo metromix.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Animereadabouter2 (notify | contribs). Unused anywhere. Additionally, PD-release for a logo seems awfully doubtful. BrownCow • (how now?) 21:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Fenerbahche.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Derkom (notify | contribs). Contains an image whose usage does not seem to be compatible with its licensing terms (see Image:CheHigh.jpg for details). Also, the page in which it is used (Fenerbahche) is proposed for deletion. BrownCow • (how now?) 21:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The use would seem compatible with the requirement in the copyright notice on Image:CheHigh.jpg. For the rest we should wait till the image is actually orphaned and not delete it preemptively. --17:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:4th job masters.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Unused. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Birdy boss.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bowman 4th job.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Dragon boss.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Thief 4th.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Warrior ,4th.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Gif effects(fire mage 4th job).gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Previous skill plus assaulter.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Vghistorian (notify | contribs). Same as above. BrownCow • (how now?) 23:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Desk with 77.JPG (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Howardschwartz (notify | contribs). Unused user vanity image. BrownCow • (how now?) 22:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:JVM Foto.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Ashleymiller (notify | contribs). Article associated with image (Jayram Menon) is about to be deleted (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jayram Menon). BrownCow • (how now?) 22:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Nsca mosaic logo.PNG (talk | delete)

Uploaded by RaviC (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:NCSA Mosaic.png — Wwagner 22:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Old uk stop sign.png (talk | delete)

Uploaded by SGBailey (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:STOP.svg — Wwagner 23:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep: This PNG image is an important part of the history of the SVG image. —Bkell (talk) 23:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Not deleted. howch e ng {chat} 19:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Pinkstar.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Joeferret (notify | contribs). OR SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Eugeneverkhovsky.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Joeferret (notify | contribs). OR, and most likely also UE SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Oldquebecflag.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by AndyL (notify | contribs). Ugly orphaned JPEG. No source. Once upon a time I had marked this image as redundant to Image:Qcensign.jpg, which has since been deleted with a comment of "non commercial image; bad jpeg image". I suspect that this deleted image came from FOTW (hence the "non commercial" label); I marked Image:Oldquebecflag.jpg redundant, probably indicating that they were the same image; and so this image probably also came from FOTW. The FOTW image looks different, but it's a GIF, so maybe the differences arose when it was converted to a JPEG. But I'm conjecturing here. The important thing is that this is an ugly orphaned JPEG with no source. —Bkell (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:PHR.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Xerocs (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:Purpleheart rib.png — Wwagner 23:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:PMENCO.jpg (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Xerocs (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:USAF NCO PME Graduate Ribbon.png — Wwagner 23:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:PRimmigrationchart.gif (talk | delete)

Uploaded by Marine 69-71 (notify | contribs). Orphaned, redundant to Image:PRimmigrationchart.png — Wwagner 00:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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