Talk:Ildiko Uslaky-Rejtoe

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[edit] Ethnicity in article

It seems that there has to be a better way to mention Uslaky-Rejtoe's ethnicity than just inserting that fact without any other background information about this person. Thoughts? Thanks --Tom 00:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Query whether this is nationality, and not simply ethnicity. See the Wikipedia definitions of "Jew" and "ethnicity."

Also, you could of course insert it under Miscellaneous.

If you have a preferred way of presenting it, that would be of interest.

To simply delete it is vandalism. It in no way improves the article.

--Epeefleche 00:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Epee, Are any non Jewish folks inducted into the Jewish Hall of fame? That would probably make their ethnicity notable :). Anyways, the way the article reads now is not improved vs my version, imho. My preffered way of presenting ethnicity is under early life, or family background, ect, not just "shoved" into the article as it is now. Anyways, I am moving on, hopefully :) Cheers! --Tom 18:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Tom -- I am just following the approach that Mad Jack used in his recent edit of a similar Jewish fencer. I think, as you know, that it fits in -- both per Wiki standards and common sense -- where nationality and (sometimes) ethnicity is mentioned. I woiuld also be happy for it to be in a section under early life. With some athletes, it would be the only thing in such a section, as I know no more. It could also go in under a Miscellaneous section. Or it could go in here. I believe that you were the one who lauded the benefits of listening to others. While I personally, for reasons I would have articulated, have put it in the lead, for reasons you articulated I followed the approach of Mad Jack -- another editor, whom you respect. You now indicate that you do not like that approach. Well, given that Mad Jack and I are OK with it, and you are OK with it appearing somewhere .... where does that leave us? How, in this article, would you suggest we present it? Or how might we present it in article for a fencer who is cited in a number of articles as being Jewish, but is not a member of a Jewish Hall of Fame?

I think your cohorts approach of simply deleting such reference is the worst of all possible approaches.

Also, as to your concerns of anti-semitism, I think that it is fairly safe to assume that where there are multiple Jewish Hall of Fame sites/Jewish publications that call attention to the fact that an athlete is Jewish, that should not be a concern. The Wiki standards on notablity, which look to things like this, are I think of interest in this regard.

I imagine that there are a sufficient number of anti-semitic entries that one may follow and RV, if that is one's (laudable) goal. To spend time reverting these entries is to do something other than pursue that goal, IMHO.

Best.--Epeefleche 20:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Jack