Talk:Igbo Jews
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[edit] Bnei Menashe
It says in the article that it's believed that the Bnei Menashe left Africa at some point heading eastwards, and that this is how the presence of the descendants of Menashe could be found in both Africa and E. Asia. Based on what I've read, as well as on common sense, this explanation seems me ludicrous. The Bnei Menashe have no tradition that their ancestors were ever in Africa following Yetzi'ath Mitzraim, so on that basis alone, this claim seems to undermine the oral tradition of the Mizoram bnei Menashe. Beyond that, however, is the fact that, for millennia, people identifying themselves as members of whatever shevet have lived together without the implication that there were ever mass migrations exclusively of members of a single tribe, and nobody's had a problem with it. The closest thing to a genuine claim to such a phenomenon is that the Beta Israel are descendants of Danites who went south instead of north when they were given a new allotment by Hermon to compensate them for the fact that they were never fully settled in Gush Dan bcz of the Plishtim. That other tribes migrated en masse is highly suspect, precisely because there is no record that the tribes ever would have made such a migration, other than Dan, for any imaginable reason. Claims to be members of Menashe or Efrayim, however, that notwithstanding, are not quite so suspect, because denizens of the nation of Israel [i.e., the "Northern Kingdom"], when it was still independent, apparently frequently referred to themselves as Efrayim or Menashim as freely as they referred to themselves as members of their actual tribe. Whether this was bcz of Ya`aqov's blessing on Efrayim or not is only of passing interest to this discussion, but the fact remains, that it has long been accepted that the Persian Jews who claim descent from Efrayim are claiming descent from the dispersal of the Northern Kingdom, rather than from Judæa, rather than actual descent from Ephraim, son of Jacob. Now. Why do I say all this? Because it seems to me that practically all of the current article is written by someone who's trying to establish an authoritative history for the Jews of Nigeria, rather than to report an established authoritative history. That's all well and good, but Wikipedia is not the place to do so. In order to maintain Wikipedia's integrity as an authoritative, i.e., reliable, online reference, the WP:NOR policy explicitly prohibits such an exercise. I'm all for research into traditions, but this stuff, which appears to be some kind of synthesis passed off as reliable history, does not belong here. Tomertalk 05:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Greetings Tomer. On your first point, there are CERTAIN Igbos who believe that one group of Igbos is from the tribe of Menashe. They are not connected to the particular Bnei Menashe in India. This is a legend amongst certain Igbo. There are some claims made by early writers such as Nahum Slouschz in his book, Travels in North Africa page 230 that mad the claim that there were certain inscriptions that indicated that members of the tribes of Asher and Zevulun lived in Carthage early on during the foundation of it. I agree with you that if one is trying to write an article about the Igbos there is a format it should follow and should seperate the legend from what has had some actual scholarly writing about it.--EhavEliyahu 07:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Argh. User:Mophir blanked the article for some reason. I've undone the blanking... the answer is to clean the article up and make it comply with wikipedia standards, not to just summarily blank it. Tomertalk 02:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Benei Gath, Benei Zevulun, Benei Menashe
I propose to move the details of the 3 lineages from the African Jew page to the Igbo Jews page. Let me know if there's a good reason to leave it where it is. Fayenatic london 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
- OK, done. Fayenatic london 14:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Igbo Jew population
There are many Igbos claiming Jewish ancestory then those who are Jewish by faith.
On Igbo Jewish Origins
Some group of Igbo show traces of Jewish origin. A report by an African American Jew on the Ibo Landing in 2002 on the Nri religion of Igbo points out the similarites between the two cultures. But while the Nri may claim Jewish origins, it does not mean that all Igbo groups are Jewish. In fact, the Nri recognise the existence of the Igbo before their arrival in Igboland. There are other migrant groups that settled among the Igbo in Igboland as well and became Igbo. They include Idoma, Igala, Efik, Benin, etc. But the Nri religion and culture being imperial and overlording supressed the original Igbo culture and became dominant, ruling a vast land of what is today middle belt, mid west and deep south of Nigeria. The clash that came with the rise of Arochukwu culture, during the slave trade with the help of Ohafia, Abiriba and Abam warriors, against the Nri culure, still points to the various ideological differences and origins in Igboland.
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- Igbo Jews, as opposed to Igbo. --Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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Uduma Kalu
[edit] U guys need sources
This article needs some sources friends. i saw some strange stuff about forced conversion. i am trying to learn more an not as an editor but as a user it is hard, if you dont have sources.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
