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Contents 1 ICD-CM is public domain - NCHS email verification 2 ICD-9 3 ICD-9 and DSM-IV? 4 ==Clean up== 5 Requested move 5.1 Survey 6 Confusing sentences

[edit] ICD-CM is public domain - NCHS email verification

The International Classification of Diseases, Ninth Revision, Clinical Modification (ICD-9-CM) is based on the World Health Organization's Ninth Revision, International Classification of Diseases (ICD-9). ICD-9-CM is the official system of assigning codes to diagnoses and procedures associated with hospital utilization in the United States. The ICD-9 is used to code and classify mortality data from death certificates.

The National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are the U.S. governmental agencies responsible for overseeing all changes and modifications to the ICD-9-CM.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about/otheract/icd9/abticd9.htm

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The following email from NCHS verifies that we may use it how we wish:

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Subject: RE: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/mail/mail.htm Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:37:32 -0400 From: "NCHSED" <nchsed@cdc.gov> To: petersam

All of NCHS data is in Public Domain. You may use it how it wish. All NCHS asks is that you cite us as your source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/howto.htm

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From: Chase, Johncene M. On Behalf Of NCHS QUERY Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:16 PM To: NCHSED Subject: FW: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/mail/mail.htm

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Original Message-----

From: srv2@cdc.gov Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:24 PM To: NCHS QUERY Subject: Data posted to form 1 of http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/mail/mail.htm

comments:

Is there any restrictions to the use of ICD-9 http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/icd9.htm as a categorization of medical/clinical topics in a public on-line internet encyclopedia?

Could part or all of it be reprinted?

Thank you, peter sam www.wikipedia.org

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Possible choice for Wikipedia:WikiProject Clinical medicine/categorizations

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Clinical medicine/categorizations Petersam 19:38, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] ICD-9

I work in the health care industry in the US, so I'm familiar with ICD-9-CM, but don't really know very much about ICD-10. The current article states that "ICD-10-CM codes are not currently valid for any purpose or uses," but I was under the impression that ICD-10-CM codes are used in the US for mortality or death certificate purposes. Can someone confirm this and update the article?

It appears that ICD-9-CM V and E codes have been turned into ICD-10-CM S, T, V, W, X, and Y codes. If this is the case, I think that might deserve a mention.

Also, ICD-9-CM has both diag and procedure codes. I don't see anything written about ICD-10-CM procedure codes. If the procedure codes still exist, they need to be included in this article. --Pagrashtak 6 July 2005 18:49 (UTC)

[edit] ICD-9 and DSM-IV?

Are the codes used in the DSM-IV-TR and the ICD-9 the same? I noticed that the DSM codes were removed from the mental disorder pages, and I was going to replace some until I realized that they are the same for several disorders.

[edit] ==Clean up==

This article needs to be cleaned up. There are many places where information is repeated under a difference subheading, or conflicted. For example, the article states that the US Public Health Service published ICD-9-CM under one subhead and three paragraphs later it's the Dept of Health and Human Services. This needs to be fixed/clarified. Also, the paragraphs and list under the first subhead (International Statistical...) are repeated almost verbatim under the History section. As I've only skimmed the article, I'm sure that there are other areas that need improvement.

Would someone with more background in the subject give this a shot? JordeeBec 14:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to start taking a look at it. Also, considering the ridiculously long title and the actual "what links here" page, it looks like a great deal of articles connect here through the ICD-9 and ICD-10 redirects. I've worked in the industry for years, and I've never called it an International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems code. I don't see many people writing articles that way, so maybe we should consider moving this to a less hard-to-find location. I suggest moving it to "ICD" and making the current ICD page "ICD (disambiguation)". It's going to be some work and I don't want to piss anyone off, so I'll post the suggestion to the requested moves page later and we'll see what everyone thinks. Kafziel 19:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems → ICD – "ICD" is the most common title for this system of codes (and with a title as long as that one, it's no mystery why). Most of the articles that link to the page right now do so through redirects at ICD-9 and ICD-10. People will be much more likely to use the correct page name if it is intuitive. I've already moved the contents of ICD to ICD (disambiguation); there were only two articles linked to from there, including this one, and the other one has far fewer links.

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

• Support as nominator Kafziel 04:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose I prefer for Wikipedia to spell-out acronyms, and so does WP:NAME#Prefer_spelled-out_phrases_to_acronyms. Then again, I only support moving articles to acronyms when the controlling organization actually says the acronym means nothing, like SAT does now. --Davidstrauss 09:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the MoS link you have there precisely backs up my reasons for wanting to move the page. It is known almost exclusively as ICD and it is widely known and used in that form. Even the publishers of the guides to the codes title their books "ICD". Kafziel 12:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

A bit of evidence for my claim comes from the good old Google test. 98,600 hits for the spelled out version versus 2,440,000 for ICD-9 and 2,160,000 ICD-10. Does four million hits help support my request? Kafziel 12:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It does for me. Moved. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 10:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• Hang on a minute! I strongly oppose the move to ICD. ICD is an acronym with a number of common meanings - two of them in medicine, indeed. It's a bit rich to move the page without waiting a decent interval for the results of the discussion. If you must move it, at least insert a reference to ICD (disambiguation)! The 4-million Google hits argument actually supports ICD-9 and ICD-10, not ICD. Snalwibma 12:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

This page covers both ICD-9 and ICD-10 codes, so those google hits support it. They don't have their own pages. This page wasn't moved in some "high handed" way; it sat at Requested Moves for several days. Every other page that had been there the same amount of time has also been acted upon.

The other meaning for ICD isn't nearly as significant. Moving this here fixed hundreds of redirects and will be even more useful in the future. Kafziel 12:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing sentences

Commonly disputed by healthcare providers as billing code and not representative of true clinical outcomes

Huh? -- Beland 01:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a go at this Claus Diff 09:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The original revisions of ICD also did not provide for classification of operative or diagnostic procedures.

Which, exactly? -- Beland 01:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

...the international (and thus original revisions in this context) ICDs do not provide procedure codes Claus Diff 09:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)