Talk:Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya

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[edit] Dates, bias

A lot of the dates are based on the Hijri calendar. For a wider understanding, CE dates should also be added.

Furthermore it is well-known the Imam Ibn Taymeeyah and Ibn ul Qayyim are not the most popular of scholars particularly among those who call themselves sufis. Reference should be given to their thoughts and quotes especially under sections such as "What scholars think of him". In its current state the article is exclusively praiseworthy.

I reverted to the newest version that wasn't a copyvio. An anon had replaced the whole article with a straight cut-n-paste from [1]. That is not only copy violation, it is also pietistic, non-encyclopedic material. Zora 22:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


I can type the Arabic. But how do I insert it? Thanks - Beauty123

I agree about the bias. (Although I very much admire this personality.) I'd like to work on a more 'encyclopedic sounding' article with better style. - Beauty123

[edit] Quadell

Quadell reverted me. Why?

--Striver 18:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Because adding a fatwa about masturbation, when no other fatwas are mentioned, is an odd choice. What's the point of including it? If it must be included, it belongs on Wikiquote instead. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 03:28, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Transliteration standard

I've added the arabic, and edited the intro biography abit, getting rid of the oo-oo's and the ee-ee's common to modern salafi transliteration. After looking at many of the arabic titles, I think that a standard system should be used. May I suggest the Library of Congress system of transliteration? Wilis.azm 23:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

You need to contact the other Arabic-speaking editors (Mustafaa, Pepsidrinka to an extent, others I don't know) and get them to sign on. Is the LOC the standard academic transliteration? I'll need to do some investigation as to how one specifies a transliteration standard for Wikipedia. Otherwise, it sounds like a good idea to me. Zora 23:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More complete section of books by Ibn al-Qayyim

I want to add a more complete list of books written by Ibn al-Qayyim. Any objections? ZaydHammoudeh 05:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect Spelling of the name

I hate to be a nagger, but the name is misspelled. It should be Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya. The word Qayyim means "Dean" or "Priciple" like that in a school system. The word Jawziyya is the name of a school, so Al-Jawziyya is "The Jawziyya school." He was the son of the Dean of that school which means he is Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya - "The son of the Dean of the Jawziyya school." Ibn Al-Qayyim has a different meaning than this. --Abu Mahdhoorah 13:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

To Reiterate... his name is Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya not Ibn Al-Qayyim. Ibn Al-Qayyim Al-Jawzee is another scholar. The name should be changed. --Abu Mahdhoorah 13:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Needs to be NPOVed --Striver 10:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have removed the POV Views. It should be fine at the present. As for deleted birht references, these information are already sourced in the two books. They are true References not external links. As for the sufism link, as ZaydHammoudeh said, Not subtantial poor link author's name is not even given. Just his first name. That is not reliable. --Islamic 17:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Islami, i do not know what books you are refereing to, make proper references, and we can skip the external link references. You know, use <re_f></re_f>. And dont just blindy revert my edits. --Striver 20:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Both references have the dates. Also, I have justified evey edit I made so please don't blidly revert. Bring it to discussion. --Islamic 01:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
WHAT references? Could you PLEASE be explicit? Pretend i am stupid, i DO NOT GET IT. --Striver 09:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Biography and Al-A'lam by Zerekly. As for the other changes, I have explained each edit. So please stop your blindy reverts. --Islamic 19:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I hardly view it as you have explained anything. I don't view "rv POV edit" as an explnation. But i thank you for the biography, i will us it as a reference instead of the AA article in the places that it is possible, since you prefer it so. --Striver 17:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I would say this article still has serious NPOV issues, needs massive editing to make it sound more like an encyclopedia article and less like an obsessive hero-worshiping paean to Ibn Qayyim. Parts of it also sound like they are copied out of some old-school Muslim scholars' reference. ~~jackbrown
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