Talk:Iberic Federalism
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Should this be Iberian federalism? --Error 18:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree. "Iberic" is a mistranslation from Spanish or Portuguese. FilipeS 00:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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The poll at the very end of the entry showing high percentages of Portuguese folks cheering a united country with Spain is just hillarious. It is like in California they made a poll asking whether they should merge with México, lots of people would say "yes" just because...it is not going to happen because it is not in the agenda, not even remotely. Someone who is not familiar about Portugal nationalist sentiment vs. Spain may be misled by this one. Mountolive 20:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
- well yes. But there are things that link both countries. The text is not good, even things like Olivenza that clearly stress the relation between both countries is presented in a positive way. There's an interesting article over Iberism and the Portuguese reasons http://dn.sapo.pt/2006/10/10/opiniao/o_iberismo.html that was mostly due to the dispute of southern Africa during the scramble for Africa. Portugal wanted to unite Angola and Mozambique, but the British wanted to unite South Africa and Egypt. Creating a breach in the relations between Portugal and England and approaching Portugal to Spain. There is still a high percentage of the population that is functionally illiterate and one of the major TV channels is controlled by a Spanish group and often does Spanish advertising. The fact is that both countries need each other and the economical relations between both countries are very important to both. Portugal is more important to Spain's exports than all Latin America all together and it was because of Spain that Portugal did not entered into a recession, despite what the article states. Both countries are also cooperating as a tourist destination in major international markets (out of Europe). Another thing is that the article ignores that both countries are already a single economy through the European Union, although these countries together would remove Canada from the G7, while counting the 2006 GDP, it wouldn't, but that's the current situation, not the trend.
As for the king of Spain, that is natural; he was exiled in Portugal during the former Spanish regime, speaks fluent Portuguese and as all modern kings do nothing that is politically controversial, so that is not a surprise that people see him as a nice person. As for people preferring Madrid, well that's really really odd. Unexplainable.
- Another think the article presents the idea of the incorporating Portugal in Spain; Portugal was also in the verge of assimilate Spain by dynastic succession.
--Pedro 20:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with most of the things you mention: but I was not saying that both countries are living back to back anymore. I just noted the fact that the poll is sci-fi politics and just some way for the Portuguese folks to vent, because of the present situation there. People who are not aware of this -and that is most people, because this is neither Portuguese nor Spanish wikipedia- may conclude after this poll results, that iberism is indeed a real idea going on these days and that indeed 1 every 4 Portuguese would like to see their country merging with Spain, which is obviously not true, right? Mountolive 05:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, it is biased. These countries no longer live back to back (they used to ignore one another in every field, even history in classrooms), there's a significant improvement but also do not walk hand-in-hand. But I'm sure (POV) that people do not have an "issue" with the Spanish people - by the contrary, maybe with the Spanish state, but not its people. Economically Portugal still depends on what occurs in Germany. --Pedro 10:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
