Talk:Iberians
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[edit] I have completely reformed the article
I have added quite a lot of information, pictures, and restructurated the sections.
Feel free to make more changes but please, keep the current structure, I think the article looks pretty well now.
This is how I took it [1], and this is how it is by now [2].
There's also something I'd like to comment: if you search Pre-Roman at the Wikipedia's searcher, you can find LOTS of stub-articles about Iberian and Celtiberian tribes (Indigetes, Cassetani, Laietani, Edetani, Contestani, etc). It would be pretty cool that whoever made all those articles (all they look like the same, so I guess someone has created them all) grouped all those tribes in a single article, or in an additional section to this article, so from this article one can check the articles of all the Iberian tribes. I would do it but as I said there are lots of stub-articles, so I would probably miss most of them.
Onofre Bouvila 21:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Iberians, from Iberia
As Wikipedia specifies in its own articles, Iberians didn't come from anywhere... In fact the most accepted theory nowadays is that Iberians were simple the branch of Western Europe original inhabitants who lived in the Iberian peninsula. A little look at Great Britain, Ireland or France histories shows that Iberians or Iberian-related people lived in all the area long before historic records or the immigration of Indoeuropeans, and were responsible for all the great megalithic culture in Western Europe.
[edit] Etymology of Iberia
Perhaps, the word Iberia is related, etymologically, with word Europe.
A minority, however, suggest a Greek etymology really based on the word Erebus. The word "Erebus" has a Semitic/Akkadian origin (i.e. erebu, which means "sunset").
From a Greek viewpoint, the sun sets over Iberian peniscula: the lands to the West.
--IonnKorr 21:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps not. NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Your guessing has no place. Try looking up the opinions of professional historical linguists. --Victim of signature fascism 19:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
What was the relationship between the Iberians and the Tartessos civilization? are they the same people?--Burgas00 20:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- I think their relationship may be debated, but the Iberians definitely came after and are distinct. They may have been influenced by the Tartessos, but I think that's debated. Most theories say they had a different origin.--Bkwillwm 20:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Tartessians were part of the migration to Iberia from Lybia along with the other native Iberians, but formed a more "civilized" society than other Iberians... -Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People 18:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ancient and Modern Iberians
I was interested in adding a section that mentions the relation between the original inhabitants of Iberia to modern Iberians (Portuguese and Spanish, Spanish including Castilian, Catalán, Basque, etc.). Useful statistics are given in the article Spanish people:
[QUOTE=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people#Ancestry]It should be noted, that 68% of paternal lineages and 39.4% of maternal lineages in Spain can be traced to the earliest settlers of the Iberian Peninsula, carriers of the male R1b and the female H haplogroups, which are the most frequent haplogroups in Europe. The people with these genetic markers expanded into Western Europe from an Iberian refuge at the end of the Ice Age, 10,000 years ago. 18. Origins of Europeans. Haplogroup R1b.[/QUOTE]
--Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People 11:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dead Link
External link deleted S710 08:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes... it's a pity but the site is down. They say they'll be back soon. When that happens I'll try to put a good link back on the article. The Ogre 12:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Celts arrived in Spain
They never made their way to Portugal, is that what it means? Spain, in the article, is refered as what? Because as far as I know Spain is a country in the Iberian peninsula, it is not the Iberian peninsula. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.152.95.63 (talk • contribs).
- What do you mean? Whom never arrived in Portugal? The Celts or the Iberians? The first did, the later didn't. There were, of course, pre-celtic populations in Portugal, but they weren't Iberians in the strict ethno-linguistic sense. The Ogre 13:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. Just fixed it. I also added an external link with a detailed map of the Pre-Roman Peoples of Iberia (around 200 BC). That gives a good picture of the whole Peninsula. The Ogre 13:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Problem with the map
The map depicting the approximate location of Ibero (Iberian) settlement is not acurate, since it elarges the area of Iberian settlement to include the Tartessian (later Turdetani) areas. Tartessians wee not Iberians and Tartessian language is "seemingly unrelated to all other languages, including the Indo-European or Iberian language families, and is therefore a language isolate." A better map should be found. The Ogre 13:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposal to merge Prehistoric Spain with Prehistoric Portugal & move to Prehistoric Iberia
Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss my proposal. Jimp 09:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hello Jim. If the merge goes through, what shall we do with Pre-Roman Portugal? You see, Prehistoric Spain encompasses a period that the "Portuguese" articles differentiated into Prehistoric Portugal and Pre-Roman Portugal. Should we merge them all? The Ogre 13:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
