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Since you have not been properly welcomed, here goes. Baka gusto mo ring tumambay sa WP:PINOY and join the "healthy" discussions at WT:PINOY. See you there. --Pinay (talk•email) 17:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

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Hello Pinay06, You wrote: Since you have not been properly welcomed, here goes. Baka gusto mo ring tumambay sa WP:PINOY and join the "healthy" discussions at WT:PINOY. See you there. --Pinay (talk•email) 17:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome message and for your invitation to join WP:PINOY. I'll do so after some time. I'm a new comer to WIKIPEDIA and still not so familiar with its html syntax - the reason why my userpage is blank. Thanks for offering me your help. It's highly appreciated.--Iandres 00:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)Philippines

[edit] Image tagging for Image:Jose p rizal.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Jose p rizal.jpg. The image has been identified as not specifying the source and creator of the image, which is required by Wikipedia's policy on images. If you don't indicate the source and creator of the image on the image's description page, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided source information for them as well.

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This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 12:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

You wrote: "Sorry if I posted this message wrongly in this particular space. Please understand me, I'm new to this Wikipedia. I have uploaded vintage photo (circa 1896) of Dr. Jose Rizal, the National Hero of the Philippines, when he was 35 years old, last December 23 but you removed it merely A DAY AFTER because I failed to mention the source or License. I just received the NOTICE today which says that the uploaded file will be removed in seven days (but you have removed it already). Actually the photo you removed is in the PUBLIC DOMAIN and has no copyright whatsoever being a photo produced more than 100 years ago. I also uploaded some photos related to the life of Dr. Rizal today (December 25), photos which was published in the United States prior to 1923. These photos appeared in "The Project Gutenberg EBook of Lineage, Life and Labors of Jose Rizal: Philippine Patriot, by Austin Craig (1913). Please take note what is being said in the Project Gutenberg Ebook site which I'll quote for your information:

"This eBook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever. You may copy it, give it away or re-use it under the terms of the Project Gutenberg License included with this eBook or online at www.gutenberg.net

Thank you for your time reading this message. I would like to suggest that you give NE contributers enough time (perhaps at least a day or two after sending them a NOTICE of DELETION) before removing important contributed files that they recently uploaded. Please show a little courtesy to your new contributors."

I am very sorry. You're right, I should have waited. I looked for a source for that photo online, and when I didn't find one, I made an unwarranted assumption that a source would not be provided. While looking for the source, I found another reasonably good image, and used it for the article. Thank you for correcting my error and bringing it to my attention. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 18:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

You wrote: "I received your latest message. Apology accepted and thanks for your consideration and undestanding to a "new comer". Another anonymous contributor (uses only IP Address) replaced some of the recent photos I uploaded in the Jose Rizal wikipedia page but I replaced it once again and returned the image I previously uploaded. The one I used for the page which was replaced by the "anonymous" contributor was the last photograph of the subject person (i.e.,Dr. Jose Rizal, the Philippine National hero) taken prior to his famous "martyrdom" in 1896. I think is more proper to use it than the photograph taken while he only 25 or 30 which has less relevance than his last photograph that I used (which shows him as an old man who has deep eyebags and receeding hairline). What do you think?"

I would have to say I am fairly neutral on the question. I agree that your image belongs in the article; however, one could argue that, as it is the last image of him before his death, it belongs toward the end of the article. The anonymous contributor claims that the other image is the one most commonly seen, and a Google image search suggests that he may be right. Nevertheless, I don't have a stron feeling either way, and I leave it up to your best judgement. Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 16:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, new messages generally go at the bottom of Talk pages. To help get you oriented at Wikipedia, let me add a Welcome!

Hello, Iandres, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  -- Mwanner | Talk 16:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


You wrote: "Thanks for the Wikipedia Welcome Notes and for being "neutral". As expected, the anonymous Wikepedia editor (is he/she an Administrator? How can he/she edits without signing-in first? Likewise I tried to TALK to her but he/she has a notice in her TALKPAGE warning anyone not to wrote anything there), he/she removed the subject photograph again for the third time saying that although the photo is in Public Domain I copied it from somewhere else without stating the source. Thus I uploaded the same subject photograph and indicated its source which is the Philippine National Archive, hence no violation of any wikipedia and property copyright law because the subject photo is in fact in the Public Domain. Thanks again for your help. Sorry if I posted this message wrongly. I merely select "EDIT" at the TALK PAGE to write this. Could you please tell me how and what is the proper way to answer messages in the TALK page? I tried looking for the answer at the help page but did not find it."

No, the anon is not an administrator-- anyone can edit without signing in. That message on their Talk page is from another user, asking the anon not to edit the other user's (KaElin's) User page, so you should feel free to leave a message. On the other hand, I see that now there is another player involved, so I would recommend that you try taking the discussion to Talk:José_Rizal. You might need to draw attention to the fact that you want to discuss the matter there by leaving an edit summary of "See Talk" on your next edit to the article.
You can put messages at the bottom of a page either by clicking on the "+" tab, or simply by scrolling to the bottom. Talk pages, whether a User's talk page or an article's Talk page are just like articles-- you can just open them up and edit them anywhere.
And yes, it's very hard to figure this place out when you're getting started, so no need to apologize, and feel free to keep asking questions. Good luck, -- Mwanner | Talk 13:17, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hints on the syntax

You're welcome. Here are a couple of useful links to help explain the basics of editing: the Introduction and the Tutorial. Once you get used to the syntax, it becomes second nature. Of course, it takes everyone a little while to learn. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. I'm glad to see you've figured out the four tildes for the signature, but the custom here is to place those at the end of your text, so that your signature comes at the end of what you write instead of before it. Like this -- SWAdair | Talk 09:07, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

When you click EDIT to the right of a section header, that lets you edit that section on that page. In other words, if you are reading your own talk page and click EDIT, you will add your message to your own talk page. No one else will get a message that you've edited there (it acts like a message board instead of an instant messaging client). Usually that isn't a problem because if someone is engaged in a conversation with you, they'll check back after their last edit to see if you've added anything. If they're busy with something else it might be a while before they get a chance to check back, but they'll see it sooner or later. If you want to be sure a user gets the message at the earliest opportunity, then you should be sure to place your message on their talk page. Then, the next time they view a new page they'll get a notice telling them they have new messages. Actually, Wikipedia is quite user friendly once you get used to the syntax. A lot of things that would take long HTML commands can be done with short, simple and easy-to-remember wiki commands. The only difficult part is learning them the first time, but once you do you'll love the ease of the new options available to you. I find myself wishing other webpages and even e-mail offered the ease of wikisyntax. SWAdair | Talk 09:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Commons media files

Regarding your question concerning Commons media files: Mr. Andres, Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Commons are two separate projects and operate by similar but different rules. Both are provided by the Wikimedia Foundation, but the rules that apply to Wikipedia are slightly different from those that apply to the Commons. Although the files may be linked to from Wikipedia, they reside on the Commons website. I am not familiar with all of the rules and legal interpretations of licenses allowed on the Commons. On Wikipedia it would be a simple matter -- once something is submitted per GFDL, the right cannot be revoked. The Commons, however, allows many more licensing options. I would recommend that you bring this up on the Commons' Village Pump and if you don't get a satisfactory response there, you could contact the Commons directly. SWAdair | Talk 08:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I would assume that Wikipedia and the Commons are set up along similar lines as far as administration goes. IMO, the best way to approach the matter is as I outlined above -- start by reviewing their page on licensing, then if that doesn't answer your questions, post on their Village Pump. I would reserve contacting the foundation directly as a last resort to be used if and only if the matter cannot be settled at a lower level. Again, I would start by reviewing the details of licensing. It might very well be possible that the granting of rights is irrevocable and reviewing those pages could save you considerable time and effort. SWAdair | Talk 09:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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