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[edit] If you wish to contact me you can do-so here.

Many thanks for your prompt inclusion of the Department S photograph.

Much appreciated

Derek R Bullamore 16:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Jerrycan Reduced.jpg is not free

I see that you uploaded Image:Jerrycan Reduced.jpg to satisfy a request on Wikipedia:Requested pictures, however, if you read Wikipedia:Requested pictures#Copyright Warning you'll see that it says:

Wikipedia can accept only photographs and pictures that are licensed compatibly with the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) or are in the public domain. A complete guideline of what is acceptable can be found at Wikipedia:Image use policy.

The image you've uploaded is neither GFDL or public domain. Edward 23:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for being curt. My point is that we are trying to build a free encyclopedia. Fair use is acceptable for historical or sporting events, situations where it is difficult or impossible to get a free image. Wikipedia:Requested pictures is for requesting images that are public domain or GFDL, there is no need to request a fair use image, they are easy to find with Google. Edward 15:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sound clips

Hi, I just noticed that you uploaded a soundclip for "Bela Lugosi's Dead", as well as other punk/New Wave/Post-punk songs. Might I request you add certain soundclips to certain articles (such as Joy Division or The Cure) if you can provide them? WesleyDodds 09:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

The New Order page could certainly use some. My suggestions: "Blue Monday" (essential), "The Perfect Kiss", "Bizarre Love Triangle", "Regret". WesleyDodds 13:02, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
It's a compilation of their singles up to that point (1987), so it's no big deal WesleyDodds 14:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Put them in the New Order article first. I just created a space for them. Then they can be placed on individual song pages and so forth. WesleyDodds 14:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh hey, just so you know, there's already a soundclip of "London Calling" on Wikipedia (pasted on the Punk rock article) which means you'll probably have to take yours down. WesleyDodds 16:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Would you happen to be able to provide some 30-second soundclips for The Smashing Pumpkins? WesleyDodds 07:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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Uploaded with incorrect filename - put-up for 'Speedy' (db) deletion. Ian Dunster 12:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

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Not my image - image was uploaded by user User talk:Pazuzu413
Ian Dunster 21:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow Sun

The Yellow Snow cutaway illustration added 16 May 2006 is of the Mk.2 variety with Red Snow visible. Photo exists (Crown copyright) of a Mk.1 with outer panels removed showing the implosion sphere of Green Grass. Published copy can be seen in ISBN 0 85052 775 9. I'd hoped to include some pics, but I'm not yet proficient enough. There is also a sectional illustration of the weapon with the steel ball filling before and after flight prep (my copyright, so can be used freely). Although the steel ball arrangement may seem crude, a variation was (and possibly still is) in later weapons. The W-47 warhead fitted to Polaris A3 had a similar arrangement, with the balls replaced by a boron-impregnated wire inserted into the core at manufacture. To arm the warhead in flight, the wire was spooled in using an electric motor. Rather like an anglers rod. Regards Brian Burnell.

Hi Brian. Thanks for the input - nice to hear from someone with first-hand experience of the subject!
BTW, if you would like to contribute regularly then it might be an idea to open an account, so that you can upload images/files etc. (use the Sign in/create account link at the top of the page - then the Don't have an account? You can create one link) If for any reason you'd prefer not-to, then you can always leave messages for me on this page.
RE: Images - they would be very welcome! - if you can get them scanned and then upload them then I, (or someone else) can always adjust them afterwards. Regards, Ian Dunster 13:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I do hope to contribute regularly, and I will open an account. I'm just a 60+ years newcomer to IT so I hope you others will make allowances. When I trained as an engineer, the best kit we had was a slide rule. Just a point about the added caption 'Red Snow physics package'. Don't really know where this phase 'physics package' came from originally. Its a term much beloved of academic historians. A shorter, better, truer description is 'warhead', and thats what I try to encourage. One word is often more aesthetically pleasing than two. Will upload scanned images. I drew them myself, so no prob with copyright.

I hope to add in chronologial format a brief history of all UK nuclear warhead designs, from Hurricane to Trident. I worked on many early ones, Blue Danube, Red Beard, Violet Club, Green Grass, Green Bamboo, Orange Herald, Pixie, Winkle, Indigo Hammer, Octopus, Cleo, Peter, Tony, all the Grapple test series, to Red Snow. I started with Yellow Sun only because it was there, already entered on Wikipedia. Regards. B.B.

Image: Steel Balls.jpg uploaded successfully. Will leave the rest to you. B.B.

Hi Brian - I have left a reply at User talk:Brian.Burnell which I assume is you! Ian Dunster 17:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


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Image was used on the Taggart page but someone appears to have removed it. Ian Dunster 21:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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Rationale was already included. Ian Dunster 09:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

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Rationale was already included. Ian Dunster 18:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow Sun #2

Hi Ian I note that at Yellow Sun there are links to two external sites that I'd like to comment on. I've not looked at the nuclearweaponsarchive site recently, but what I've seen of the Brit weapons section was quite inaccurate and misleading. Largely because its old, and when more documents are declassified older work is seen with hindsight to include much speculation. In the nature of things speculation often produces a false picture. While the site is very useful its content shouldn't be regarded as gospel.

The skomer site is produced by Chris Gibson who I work with. I'll be meeting him tomorrow at the PRO. Chris hasn't updated the site for over three years, and said to me last week that if he could get back into his old ISP he would delete the site. A new site is in preparation that will edit out errors and misinformation shown to be wrong by later research. I have a copy of the draft, but its not yet on the web. I contributed much of it myself. Chris prefers that others did not continue to reference the old skomer site because he sees it as spreading misinformation. He would like it to disappear into a black hole.

Hi Brian(?)
Thanks for the info - I have removed the 'skomer' site-link and added a proviso on the 'nuclearweaponarchive.org' one.
BTW, I assume you are no-longer using your User talk:Brian.Burnell user page (for whatever reason) so if when you start your entry here with ' ==subject== ' then your missive will get a heading at the top of your message! Regards Ian Dunster 13:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip Ian. I expect I'll begin to use my user page as confidence grows. I'm still a beginner. You might also look at the WE.177 talk pages. There's so much disinfo on the web generally that its hard to know where to start, or stop. Brian B.

Hello again Ian. I've rewritten the base WE.177 article completely, but tried to retain as much of the accurate original parts as possible. Hope it doesn't put noses out of joint. What it needs now are some better pictures. I've got some good quality line drawings that might be useful (I drew them so no prob with copyright). I'll find them and upload later. Would be grateful if you would use your skill at sizing, presentation etc. Regards Brian.

Hi again Brian. I've had a look and it seems pretty good to me - don't worry about 'putting noses out of joint' - most contributors won't mind if their writing is replaced by something that's more accurate than before, and I suspect the ones contributing here will be able to tell whether you know your business or not! - LOL!.
BTW, I've added a few links to the article and removed the 'disputed' tag.
RE: the images - OK - let me know when you've uploaded them and I'll see what I can do! Ian Dunster 20:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Violet Club hint.

Ian, you 'hinted' at a contribution on Violet Club. It is my intention to do that, and I could do it soon, but there are several contraints. The lesser is that a Freedom of Information submission is still pending, and I'd like to get access to that data first, because its impossible to know in advance what it contains, although so much is known from earlier research that the FOI stuff isn't absolutely essential. I simply don't want to add bits to the article later if avoidable. That can confuse readers. I worked on Violet Club myself.

Secondly, there is so much rubbish available. A big prob with nuclear history is that it seems to attract fantasists who actually know very little. Another big prob is that the secrecy leaves big gaps in knowledge that even reputable academic historians are tempted to fill with speculation later seen to be misguided. Thats the trouble with guessing. Then the speculation gets repeated in other places and the myths keep on multiplying. I discussed this yesterday at the National Archives with the webmaster of the skomer site, and its one of many reasons why he would like to delete that website. I try to follow a strict policy of using only verifiable data and wherever possible from primary sources. If I resort to speculation myself I try to label it as such, using phases such as 'it is believed' etc. But once on the web, no one has control over how its used, and thats why I'm so cautious about my content.

Finally, there is a need to establish a structure for a series of articles on nuclear hardware that offers a means of categorization. There are so many different groups of devices, and an added prob is that the terms used 'in-the-trade' differed between American and British designers in the early days. One example would be 'composite core' in US-speak, and 'mixed core' in Brit-speak.

[edit] Some examples of why suitable categories will be a useful start-point.

Yellow Sun was a bomb casing, used for several different nuclear warheads. Green Bamboo, Green Grass, Green Granite (several versions) and Red Snow were all installed in Yellow Sun casings. Some were also installed (or planned for) Blue Rosette bomb casings.

Green Grass (also known as Knobkerry and the Interim Megaton Weapon) was also installed in adapted Blue Danube casings and then known as Violet Club. And the Interim Megaton Weapon did not have a megaton yield, but only managed 0.4 megatons.

Blue Danube referred to both a bomb casing and a warhead. Blue Danube warheads were also planned for installation Blue Bunny, Brown Bunny, Blue Peacock (ADMs), and Urchin (a seamine), and Blue Boar (air-launched anti-shipping missile).

The Polaris A3T missile had a warhead known as ET.317 installed in a Mk.2 ReB (Re-Entry Body). A ReB is the U.S.Navy term for a RV (a U.S.Air Force term). Confusing.

The British Polaris A3T warhead (ET.317) had a fission primary known as Jennie, and the (fusion) secondary was known as Reggie, both installed in the Mk.2 ReB. But Reggie was also installed in WE.177C bamb casings.... and also in the Mk.3 ReB used for Chevaline.

Other warheads were each intended for use in several different missile categories, ADMs, bomb casings, NDBs, or as thermonuclear primaries, eg. Red Beard, Pixie, Indigo Hammer, Tony, ...

Confused?

This illustrates how getting categories sorted out first will avoid confusion later. Incidentally, if written from a British perspective, about British nuclear history, it will be a good idea to avoid (except as links) American terms like the UGM... description for Polaris and other missile systems that were never used by the Brits. I only write about UK nuclear history, and how it is entwined with American bits. I'm not interested or knowledgeable about the rest. Others do it better than me. Brian B.

[edit] PS

Haven't forgotten the WE.177 pic upload. Will do it later today.

[edit] WE.177 pics uploaded

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[edit] IT tips

Thanks for the tips and the re-arrangement Ian. Don't ever overestimate my IT skills. Tips are always welcome. Richard Moore is the warheads specialist on the Southampton University team researching Cold War history. He put that glossary together (with some help from me) as guide to the various codenames. Purpose was to provide a basic cross-indexed list that students could rely on. I know Rich well and wouldn't dare to adjust his spelling mistakes. Through BROHP - the British Rocketry Oral History Project, he has direct access to high-ranking people who worked in RAE, AWRE, MoD etc. I've recently been invited to visit AWE to see their private historical collection. Richard has forgotten more about guided weapons development than would fill an encyclopedia.

I have a draft copy of the successor to Chris Gibson's skomer site, but have strict orders to keep a lid on it for the present. Runs to 100+ pages. Layout similar to skomer site. If there are any questions I can help with just ask.

No quotation marks eh! ~~~~

[edit] Illustrations

There are hundreds of illustrations of US nuclear weapons in a work by Chuck Hansen (deceased) titled Swords of Armageddon. On CD-ROM only. But I have a copy. I've checked and they will download. Don't know without further research what the copyright stuation is, but most were US Government pics. Hansen was an expert at extracting info using the US FOI Act. Many of the pics will have been obtained that way. I'll have a look though it. Its a huge file size and would need to be sent as 8 volumes if emailed.

At Image:Reagan-digitised-poster.jpg you will find a political poster from the Reagan years, digitised by me from the original. It was too big to scan so it was outline traced, cut into segments, scanned, joined up again, and then the colours added using Paint. If you fancy branching out into biography you might have a use for it in the Wiki biog on Reagan. ~~~~

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Rationale was already included. Ian Dunster 15:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
The original image is NACA stamped. I guess it is PD -- Stahlkocher 13:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I think you're probaly right - I have uploaded a number of images that are probably Public Domain but as I'm not certain I have tagged them Fair Use just to be on the safe side. Ian Dunster 10:25, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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Not my image - image was uploaded by user User talk:Nautilus43
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Not my image - I just edited it. Ian Dunster 11:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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Not my image - I just edited it. Ian Dunster 11:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation

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Not my image - I just edited it. Ian Dunster 11:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Air Ministry Specifications

You're doing a grand job with them. GraemeLeggett 14:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Janusz Zurakowski

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[edit] Mark 101 Lulu nuclear bomb

Could you have a look at this site that either needs re-titling correctly or redirected to a correctly titled site. See the Talk page for the correct title. Task defeated me. Brian.Burnell 20:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. That was quick. Brian.Burnell 20:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Passions

You little beauty. First, Department S, now The Passions with a sound burst. Thanks, again.

Derek R Bullamore 19:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Aircraft engine IP&W JT9D.jpg

Dear Ian Dunster, this image was remarked as "too dark". Could you improve it the same way like the Goblin image? Best regards -- Stahlkocher 13:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Done - see the reply on your English talk page. Ian Dunster 14:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Great!! -- Stahlkocher 15:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Felicitas Woll

Dear Ian Duster, i gave my best with this article. Here is a website which i probably of further interest for you: http://dict.leo.org/. If you still have questions please contact me again! -- Stahlkocher 17:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Britain

Thanks for taking the trouble. I notice there is a deletion box - all information is supplied & there is no more to be had. Can someone make a decision on this? Cheers GrahamBould 05:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I've left a reply on your Commons talk page. Ian Dunster 09:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Ian, please upload to the English Wiki (whatever that is - what did I upload the image to originally?).

However, according to the chart chart (PDF file) any copyright would have expired 31 December 2004 (70 years after publication), so not sure where 2008 comes in. Cheers GrahamBould 15:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Jet engines

Compliments on the graphical contribution on jet engines, clear picture. You should consider participating again, as you see there are people appreciating it. Greetz Rick

Thanks Rick! - but which 'graphical contribution' are you referring-to? Ian Dunster 12:57, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Carver Meadows Frost

Ian, first of all, let me thank you for all your excellent contributions to a host of articles that I have been writing, including the rather lengthy biography of aircraft designer John Frost. I intend to nominate the late John Frost for the Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame and I wanted to have a substantial piece of research available to back up the nomination.

Can you advise me how to get the John Frost article evaluated or appraised by others, such as yourself? Also, a related link article, the Avrocar (aircraft), seems to be getting quite a bit of attention from Uccp who is constantly deleting portions of my commentary. Not quite vandalism and I hope he has stopped now after I was forced to rewrite the entire article to completly reference everything I had said earlier.

Bzuk 15:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

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I have added the source and copyright info and a tag (I usually add the tag and info immediately after I've uploaded the image so I don't know what happened with this one) but as the image seems to have been removed from the article page it was on and was used under fairusein I'm not bothered what happens to it - I don't supply images under fair use any more as it isn't worth all the hassle involved and often turns out to be just a waste of time. Ian Dunster 11:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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Not my image - I just edited it. Ian Dunster 21:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Fishpond

The link that you have added for images of the receivers appears to be broken. Can you check it please? I B Wright 18:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Just checked it. Im sorry to have to tell you that it is still coming up as a broken link, in that the referenced page does not exist. I B Wright 18:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Ian, I've just had the opportunity to check it on another PC, via a different ISP, and I'm sorry to say, it's coming up here as broken as well. That's actually 3 PCs it is broken on, because the original observation was made from my work PC. I B Wright 18:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
The new image works fine. I have realised that I have a photograph of the complete H2S and fishpond fitment. I am hoping that the photograph was taken during the war by the government, because if so, I can upload the picture (as a time expired government photo). I am, however, still trying to check this out. I had the opportunity to play with H2S in my apprentice days (H2S was still in service at the time of the Falklands war albeit in a Mk 12[?] version). I B Wright 13:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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Do what you like with it - I don't supply images any more as it's just a waste of time. Ian Dunster 13:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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As above - do what you like with it - I don't supply images any more as it's just a waste of time. Ian Dunster 13:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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I uploaded this image back in April 2006 and presumably it was OK then, however the 'Copyright Police' keep changing their minds on what constitutes 'fair use' and rather than manually looking at the image page and making the necessary amendments to the description, just tag them for deletion and then leave a message here expecting me to go back and alter it.
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As I said before, I don't supply images any more as it's just a waste of time. Ian Dunster 19:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Air Min specs etc

Investigating the COW gun fighter I came across this [1] which mentions the F.20/27 spec for which the Gloster Gauntlet won which conflicts with the article as it stands. GraemeLeggett 13:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Spec for Airspeed Fleet Shadower etc

I've found these referred to as for OR.52 and S.23/37 specification. [2]GraemeLeggett 16:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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Not my image - I just edited it. Ian Dunster 14:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Image suggestions

Hi Ian, and I'm glad you appreciate my illustrations. They are actually small 8-bit colour exports of the "real deal" which I have displayed at deviantART at the moment (http://magnoct.deviantart.com/), until I get round to combining them with my own website. I am currently finishing a 3-view of TSR2 (only got the profile completed at the moment.) My interest really lies with the obscure British machines of the post-war period, so by all means I would appreciate some suggestions, you never know they may already be on my list! I am itching to do a trilogy of V-bombers at the moment. Regards Emoscopes Talk 21:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks on clearing up the TSR-2 / TSR2 / TSR.2. Unfortunately the BAC promo material I referred to used both TSR-2 and TSR2, so I really wasnt sure. I have already done the SC.1, so I'll upload that now. If I'm feeling brave and can get some good reference photos I might give the TMR a bash, or I might do it as a schematic to illustrate how it works - otherwise I'd just be drawing the guts of the world's most powerful hoover! I've just shifted all the "Hawker-Siddeley" articles and links to the correct "Hawker Siddeley", I suggest that you propose moving TSR-2 to TSR.2, I'm sure someone might contest this Emoscopes Talk 22:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
There are images to help confuse things here and here . Emoscopes Talk 23:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
And how about Shorts SC/5 SB/5 on the page Shorts SC5 Short SB5!! Emoscopes Talk 12:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hawker P.1127 trivia

I noticed that you added a trivia section to the Hawker P.1127 article. We have a Harrier Jump Jet in popular culture page for pop-culture items of all the variants of the Harrier. I just wanted to make sure you were aware of this, in case you though it might be relevant for your addition, as both aircraft are "pre-Harriers".

BBC America has been running episodes of THe Saint lately, so I will be looking out for that episode. Thanks. - BillCJ 23:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't added it there myself because I wasn't sure it should be there either. Mot Trivia/Pop-culture sections tend to GROW over time, but I doubt the P.1127 or Kestrels have ever been featured as such in video games, and they probably didn't make many other TV or movie appearances either. As such, I don't expect that section in the P.1127 article to atract much attention, if any, from the crufters. FOr aircraft buffs, is a nice piece of info to know, and I'd like to keep it in the article. But if the section does ever start to grow, then I would move it to the other article. It has been really nice not having the "growing cruft" on the other Harrier pages!

As to taping "The Saint", I get BBC America on Cable, and they've been showing it lately. I'll definetely keep an eye out for it, and will probably record it on DVD! I'd love to find some history on that episode, as to how they got to use the aircraft, and why they had to use both types. My guess is they wanted the Kestrel, but it may not have fit in the shooting schedule, so they used the P.1127 as a double. - BillCJ 23:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] british aircraft designations

The article doesn't show it so I thought I'd ask you directly. "GT"; Glider Tug? I'm thinking in the case of the A W Albermarle. GraemeLeggett 16:07, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me for butting in, I am posting below, but I'm pretty sure that "A" stood for glider tug, i.e. "Airborne". Emoscopes Talk 17:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spiteful

Ian, as requested, a Supermarine Spiteful; Image:Supermarine Spiteful.png. I decided to do it as a 3-view, I find that for aircraft these are far more informative than a simple profile, and it saves the enormous amount of time and effort required to colour and shade the drawings. Emoscopes Talk 17:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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