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[edit] Johnny Depp in I Am Legend
Two sources, BlackFilm.com and JoBlo.com, have mentioned the possibility of Johnny Depp in I Am Legend. Their information has been drawn from "production sources" with nothing confirmed by the studio. As a result of this rumor, IMDb has listed "Johnny Depp (rumored)" on its I Am Legend page. Since the news is just a rumor, Depp should not be mentioned in the film article until there is confirmation from the studio, the director, the producers, or actors. --Erik 20:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- ...which is one reason why people should be reluctant to create these articles until filming actually begins. Even presumably confirmed cast members can end up out of it. You never know, Will Smith could break a leg tomorrow and the whole project could be put on indefinite hold. It can be a long, long way from "pre-production" to "Action!" -- Fan-1967 20:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- So should this article be deleted? I've never been clear about when is the most appropriate time to create a film article on Wikipedia, based on pre-production news. --Erik 20:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
- Opinions differ. Some people like to create an article at the first hint of a rumor, and those go through AFD all the time. I tend to favor being very conservative about it, because so many projects do fall apart before filming, but that's me. IMDB is horrible about listing "pre-production" films that fall apart (usually over financing) before they ever shoot a frame. Ths one's kind of on the edge, because it looks pretty firm, with a major star committed and a script written. I wouldn't go out of my way to delete it, but I wouldn't fight to keep it, either. Fan-1967 20:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Filming in Manhattan
Obviously, Wikipedians, such as me, are New Yorkers and are posting the shooting locations as they see them around Manhattan. Why are these being deleted? Right now, Will Smith's gigantic trailer is parked outside my office on 51st Street. Now why isn't that relevant? Why can't people post a list of locations where the film has been shot? These are not going to make the newspaper every day. There are no references in print or online sites to spotting the actors around the city. I would like some feedback from other New York-based Wiki users who are seeing this film being made in our city. Apparently, it is the most-expensive movie ever to be filmed here... but I can't add that to the article, because I heard it on the radio, and we can't link to that... --K72ndst 13:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- The issue is that information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, which means citing sources that are reliable. Anyone could say that I Am Legend was filmed at this particular location on this particular date, and no one would be the wiser. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Wikipedia is meant to be encyclopedic. What you can do, though, is check out these IMDb boards to post such information and read others' information as well. About the radio bit, though... I'm not sure how that kind of information can be cited, if it's even verifiable. A transcript online, maybe? This film article is ultimately about I Am Legend -- it's not a timeline of I Am Legend filming locations. Look at the big picture -- when the film comes out, all these places will be recognized by New Yorkers and I think be pretty verifiable to include without citation, since it's in the film. But at this point, it's not really unnecessary, and rather unencyclopedic, to have a smorgasbord of random filming location details. --Erik (talk/contrib) @ 14:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Next time, k72.. just take a picture out your window. Can't argue that. (-Kid. 12:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Citations for possible use
- —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The diff of potentially relevant information removed by another editor. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 20:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, the diff is fully available in the history. Do you plan on itemizing each edit here? Anyway, an encyclopedia article about a movie doesn't need such minutia as that such and such a scene was shot on such and such a day at such and such a store. Or that shooting at such and such a site lasted x number of days, etc. Relevancy is not a sufficient criteria for inclusion in an encyclopedia. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I plan to itemize diffs that remove valid citations for possible restoration at a later date. The history will get long in the tooth when the film comes out, so I find it easier to identify one diff on the talk page. I somewhat agree that the filming details were unnecessarily specific, but you never know if the protagonist's weapon needs to be identified or if a specific location was prominent in the film. In addition, I disagree with your edit, which basically assumed that the 1000 extras, military vehicles, and aircraft applied to all filming locations. The citation clearly indicates that this was for the Brooklyn Bridge scene, not the other locations. In addition, the quantity of 300 crew members and 100 actors could come into play later if there are available citations about the scale of the project, in comparison to its budget or a film of that genre. I don't think that WP:NOT#INFO has a strong case here for the removal of valid content for the aforementioned reasons. I actually have a backlog of Google Alerts that have captured news headlines for this film, so I hope to expand the article sometime in the future, as I haven't done any serious work on it as opposed to some other articles of upcoming films. Cheers. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 22:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- WP is also not a crystal ball - if the fact that a scene was shot at Hugo Boss or that he used an M16 becomes of great intellectual or cultural importance in the future, then add it at that time -- but there's no reason to include such information now (even if NYU's student newspaper reported on it). --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hence saving the diff. Citations about films get really heavy-ended up to and after the film's release (you try sifting through Google for a reliable source about a film). I'm not going to contest your removal, but I would like to request that you re-edit to indicate that the 1000 extras, military vehicles, and aircraft were used for solely the Brooklyn Bridge scene. What exists now is an inaccurate summary of production details. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 22:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't consider such information all that remarkable. Go ahead and include it yourself if you feel it is important - I won't revert it. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 22:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
