Talk:Hyde Park, Leeds
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[edit] Bombings
- From the article: In July 2005 the area made national news headlines as the home of one of the July 7th London bombers as well as being the location of the terrorists' "Bomb Factory".
The area might have made national news as the home of one of the bombers, I haven't checked July's news, but none of the bombers were as far as I can see from Hyde Park. The bomb factory is in the article about the bombings regarded as being in Burley, however I guess it can be regarded as being in Hyde Park too. Gunnar Larsson 22:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
- I agree and as nobody has complained I think it should be deleted. Rex the first 02:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- To clarify this a little, though I don't feel this needs the article changing- (this is mainly for interest), significant parts of the area that is known as "Hyde Park" by residents lies within the Headingley Ward. Changes were made to the ward boundaries in June 2004.
The July 7th "Bomb Factory" is in an area that is regarded by many as part of "Hyde Park", and lies within the Hyde Park and Woodhouse Ward though is more often marked on maps as "Burley Lodge" or "Burley". This is also the Location of the Newlands Pub, which was the main start point for the Riots. These are often referred to though as the "Hyde Park Riots".
I will in time expand this article and add some links.
One thing I feel drawn to do, however is changing the references to Anarchist and Free Party Movements. I think neither are matter suitable information about the location of people who may or may not be involved publicised. Thanks. Acidsaturation 13:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chestnut Avenue Myth
Just adding to this, though I'll add it here as I can't verify it - the Chestnut Avenue Myth was created by Leeds Student and was then cited as "fact" in several national publications it seems! Acidsaturation 12:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have head this I was going to write it down but I have been unable to find proof aswell! We could contact the student newspaper http://www.lsweb.org.uk/ but they will be a different team, but I know which one I would like to be true! Rex the first 16:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I wouldn't have thought anyone would remember now! I'll try and find out though, as I working with the University so should be able to have a go. Acidsaturation 17:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I was living in Chestnut Avenue when it was previously cited in the press as Britains most burgled street. This was in 1993-4. It rung true, as we were burgled, during the summer of 1993, and the police said that there was a gang that had systematically burgled pretty much every student house (i.e. all but about two) in the street in about a month over summer. It was definately in the papers then, I think the Mirror. I shall contact my ex housemates and see if anyone has a cutting still. Anyway, my guess is that it's a story that the press real out every now and again, to fill up space. It is however possible that it had some spark of truth once, either 1993 or perhaps some earlier incarnation.
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[edit] Studentification
I've changed this a little, as view points do differ and I think it is fair to say that the impact is lessened compared to Headingley (for example), but should be acknowledged that some groups do see a problem. I've put the link to HeAL for verification purposes - I "umm-ed and ahh-ed" a bit as to whether this gives this one group a bit of a soap-box but reckoned enabling verification of what I said was more important. Sadly those holding opposing viewpoint that students can enrich the area are less vocal, so one voice tends to be heard more..! Anyone got any views on this? Acidsaturation 17:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think it is a good link but what you have written might sound like there is more tension than there actually is, from the HeAL website
- In taking strong positions it is not our intention to get at students. Please do not feel got at!
- We are campaigning for Planning Statutes that can maintain the population balance between students and residents at a sustainable level, so that one group does not displace the other completely.
- It might be worth adding that tension is less aimed at students than at landlords. Also you changed first Sat in August to usually in August, maybe I have my dates wrong but apart from 2005 (when there was an issue with permission) hasn't it always been the first Sat in August?Rex the first 21:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- It's a difficult one that - I think the tension is all round in varying degrees - too and from students, community and landlords. Feel free to change if you can word it better though! Unity day does vary dates, I'm pretty sure - I'll try and check with the organisers.
- Also - what do you reckon to moving some of the intro - put the bits about studentificatin etc in the community section, and add a Demographics section with a bit more information about the area? Acidsaturation 06:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hyde Park - for Students looking for cheaper rent
This is clearly not a fact. The article states
"Being next to Headingley (a more expensive area) it has become a place for students to live who are looking for cheaper rent"
Hyde Park is choosen for a large number of reasons (being nearer to the university, being a more lively area, being a little more unique than Headingly which resembles Fallowfields, Alferton Rd, Clifton and every other student area in the UK).
Moreover, not all houing in Headingly is cheper than that in Hyde Park.
Hyde Park attracts students wanting to avoid the student masses in Headingly would be far more accurate, but again value-laden, so perhaps it best to just leave out the attempt's to explain why people choose Hyde Park over Headingly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanchezhenn (talk • contribs) 10:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC).
- I added this comment a while ago as I think Headingley is more expesive but I have looked and found that is it not much more expensive
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Area Av Rent Sample size Headingley 60.0571 891 Hyde park 56.8952 474
- But then from the Unipol website:
- Headingley - Housing costs are significantly higher than average.
- Hyde Park - Housing costs are significantly higher than average.
- So seems fine to remove it Rex the first talk | contribs 19:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Caribbean population in Hyde Park
As I suspected, no statistics support the claim that there is a sizeable caribbean population. On the contrary, according to National statistics, Hyde Park's Black Caribbean population is below the Leeds average.
see [1]
This comment shall, therefore, be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanchezhenn (talk • contribs) 10:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC).
- thanks for checking and updating that Acidsaturation 15:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Asian shops giving the area a local community.
Highly contentious.
Any local businessman would inform that the Student population support these independent shops, such as the international supermarket. Every time I go in ther, the mile long que seems to be filled with fellow students. This exemplifies the intergration of student and natives, rather than, as the article suggests, meets the needs of the local community. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanchezhenn (talk • contribs) 11:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC).
- I think where this is contentious is in the context of the friction between students and local residents. Sadly the integration is far less than many students (and the University) would like to think. Of course my statement of this is influenced by my POV (which is both student and long term resident), and many residents would say different as would many students. Businesses cater for the population of an area, whosoever that may be - so in an area that is >50% student they will cater for students and students will keep them going. I think the original author was trying to say that there are still a number of shops catering more for the community - unless all students eat and all shops in student areas sell very specialised south asian brands and foodstuff. Acidsaturation 15:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
