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Tropical Discussion Archives: 2005, January and February 2006, March and April 2006, May 2006, June 2006, July and August 2006, September and October 2006, November and December 2006, January and February 2007

Contents 1 Thelma 2 Wikipedia Weekly Podcast - interview? 3 Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #10 4 Maybe another one 5 Guillermo 6 Ev-Man 7 Reply 8 Hmm...more northerly miscreants? 9 Hurricane Bertha 1990 10 Dude 11 Thanks 12 Florida 13 Fun, Sun and the Holy Grail 14 What do you consider to be the right balance? US TC rainfall climo 15 Hurricane Isabel for FTC 16 Hurricane Hazel 17 Thanks and yes... 18 Chris '82 19 Good Article Hold for 1996 Pacific hurricane season 20 Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #11 21 GAYS AND LESBIANS OF KEY WEST 22 1983 AHS 23 User Cr8tiv 24 Your current projects 25 I didn't know you were sick... 26 Imperial triple crown jewels 27 1903 Vagabond Hurricane

[edit] Thelma

I know this is completely random but I still cannot believe that this storm killed 6,000 people. I just can't believe it. The Philippines have taken hits from innumerable stronger storms, even in that same season but they didn't cause near as much loss of life. I don't even see any extra-heavy rainbands in that storm like I have noticed in other devastating storms with lower wind speeds. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but Gordon had huge, thick rainbands spreading far away from the center and the weird track meant that it was over the same place for a substantial amount of time. This was compact little storm that just breezed right on through. That's what's strange to me. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 05:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thelma was over the Philippines for about two days so that could explain it, but even that, I wouldn't expect such carnage from a storm that wasn't very large and didn't have very intense rainbands. In the Philippines, I wouldn't have been surprised by a 200-300 number, but 6,000? Jesus. I didn't think there were more than 10,000 total on all the affected islands. I would think you'd need a heavy storm surge or a massive, Category 5 hurricane to stall offshore to get that high of a death toll. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 19:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Jeez, like friggin' Bangladesh. I do remember hearing that there was heavy deforestation. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 01:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

November, 1970 - Half a million people - several thousand more missing - deadliest tropical cyclone in recorded history. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 01:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Podcast - interview?

Hey there HH, I'm a panelist on Wikipedia Weekly the weekly wikipedia podcast[1]. You may have heard of us. Anyway, we're starting a new segment where we will try and interview interesting users/projects to feature some of the different aspects of WP. I was hoping we would be able to talk to you. Maybe a 5 minute piece on who you are and why you are so dedicated to all things hurricane! We record using Skype (so you would need that programme and a a broadband connection to participate) and can prerecord the interview at pretty much any time that is convenient for you. I've already mentioned you on episode 13, so I thought you'd like to come on the show. Tell me what you think, Witty lama 09:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn right he should have heard of us, I've mentioned it a couple of times on IRC. :P – Chacor 09:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's me again - are you still interested? Witty lama 00:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #10

[edit] Maybe another one

The disturbance between Vietnam and the Philippines here looks pretty good. However this one's a closer call because at 6Z just the previous day, the storm doesn't appear to have a closed circulation and by 12Z later that day, it seems to have gotten extremely disorganized. My verdict is that it was a tropical depression that went undetected. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Can't find anything earlier than 2001 from PASAGA in terms of detail. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 01:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guillermo

Here it is for you: User:Mitchazenia/Sandbox 5, Don't know what elae it needs. Just tell me.Mitchazenia 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I think its publishable at this point.Mitchazenia 14:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ev-Man

I have just joined the Tropical Cyclones Wikiproject. Although I am no expert in tropical meteorology (or, for that matter, anything else), I have had a fascination with tropical cyclones since (you guessed it) 2005. I am willing to help out in whatever way is most needed in improving articles related to tropical cyclones. I am also far from a computer nerd, but I am willing to gradually learn how to do more and more stuff on Wikipedia by examining edit pages of articles and maybe being asked to make improvements to articles of greater and greater technical difficulty (starting with a difficulty of about zero). Unless you have another idea about what I could get started on, I guess I'll start on whatever I think I am capable of that is highest on the todo list. Ev-Man 04:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Thanks for the longest welcome I've ever received and I heartily appreciate it. To your question, I'm sorry that I couldn't answer right away because the idea of editing in a specific area hasn't visibly shaped in my mind. Also, I need time to familiarize with the structure of a storm-article so my contributions to the project may not come out immediately. However I'll try my best to keep up with the project activities and I look forward to receiving the advice from you and other members. Apple•_•w••o•_•r••m•_• 16:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm...more northerly miscreants?

Tropical Depression 15W sure looks like a tropical storm to me: upper right. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 22:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane Bertha 1990

Hink, i was going to write the Hurricane Bertha 1990 article. Storm05 13:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dude

You're supposed to be having fun - let us keep things in check for a while. ;) Have a nice holiday! Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

All right, will do that, just so you can relax. :P Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Done about half an hour ago. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Weird. What is essentially a metadata revision was pointing back to the old version. That is strange. Anyways, I've rollbacked myself, and that dealt with the problem. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh. Go have a coconut milkshake or something. :P (By the way, where did you go on vacation? Of course, if it can be known...) Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

So you can have a coconut shake... :D have fun. Go visit Avila if you have the chance. ;) Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 20:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the information links. It will make gethering the information much easier. Also, the names of some of the storms can be found on the NHC site in the Deadliest and Costliest US 1851-2004. [2] Hurricanewatcher 23:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Any storm that has been given a name before 1950 should be labeled as unnamed unless it has an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hurricanewatcher (talk • contribs) 23:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

Ok, so i have to de-wikilink the Unnamed storms that are not on wikipedia, change the wikilinks of the Unnamed storms to the proper link and add the other storms. Thanks so much again. Hurricanewatcher 23:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Florida

It's about time the great Hink took a vacation. Haha. Hope you enjoy Florida! I sure am. ;) →Cyclone1→ 23:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it is. →Cyclone1→ 19:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fun, Sun and the Holy Grail

That's fine. It's your own personal preference when it comes to judging the accuracy of the experts' assessments. However, you should be having fun rather than boring yourself with my random musings ;) But a few minutes ago I found the Holy Grail of hurricane images. The minute I saw that, my eyes about popped out of their sockets. Hard to really describe this one. It's pretty incredible. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 16:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

God, I love looking at high-res pics of monster hurricanes. For me it's like looking at a beautiful woman: fun to watch, but if you try to touch it, it will kill you :D. My time of greatest pressure is on the computer. Despite my levity, I'm not in a great mood right now. One of my hurricane pic documents ('98 West Pac) is f-ed up. <rant>It just happens to be the one I was working on. I try to open it and it whines that their's not enough disk space to display or print the pics, which is BS, because I've open like 4 or 5 other documents that are just fine. The copy on my backup drive isn't working either, which makes me suspect biological weapons may be involved. I'm running a virus scan right now. If I have to redo the whole document, I'm going to be really pissed. It takes hours to do those. Anyway </rant>, the trip to Orlando will a welcome from the sweatshop of life's grueling monotony. I'm leaving tomorrow. Keep enjoying your vacation! -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What do you consider to be the right balance? US TC rainfall climo

Ok. I got one of only two comments made involving the TC rainfall page going to GA, which mentioned splitting off various articles due to its size. Now you're telling me it's not big enough? How much more information are you looking for in this page? Enlighten me. Thegreatdr 19:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice response. It was exactly what I was needing to know. I have added Guam, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico information into the US page since they're all US territories. If we ever get information for American Samoa, we'll include that in the US and general TC rainfall articles. I'm leaving the Guam table in the main page since a number of people may not realize it is part of the US. I have a spreadsheet at work that has the maxima per state (which needs some updating) and will look into a way of placing it on the main HPC TC rainfall climo website. Thegreatdr 19:47, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane Isabel for FTC

I know you're the master here...I was just curious as to if your'e going to put up Hurricane Isabel and its related effects articles at FTC, as there are several FAs and a pile of GAs. PhoenixTwo 04:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricane Hazel

I was surprised of how sloppy the Hurricane Hazel article is, could you please fix up the hurricane hazel article?

[edit] Thanks and yes...

Hi Hurricanehink, I would be honored to join the ranks of the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject contributors, thank you so much for the invite!! I have amassed vast amounts of information on virtually every aspect of Tropical Cyclones over the years, not to mention my personal interception and documentation of numerous Atlantic basin storms from the last 25 years, including many of the more infamous hurricanes. I'll certainly try my best to help provide clarification and details in whatever areas I can. I personally have a TON of archived information relating to historical Florida, Caribbean and Gulf hurricanes...including many hard-to-find texts and publications, so I may be able to provide a lot of really cool info.

Thank you so much for the compliment on my website! It is definiely a work-in-progress, but it is coming along...haha.

As for the Hurricane Elena eye photos, after all the years that I've been chasing and many other direct eye interceptions that I've made, Elena's is still the most amazing eye passage (from the ground) that I have ever witnessed! It was unbelievably AMAZING to experience...absolutely a textbook eye, it felt like being inside a recon flight (just at a very low altitude...hehe) A perfectly clear area of blue sky directly above, surrounded by a crisp white eyewall, visible in all directions. I just wish that high-definition camcorders were available back in 1985, it's sad to think of how amazing that footage would have been with the quality available from today's cameras.

Anyway, with the Wikiproject, I'm basically new to this environment so I'm testing out the waters by playing around with my personal user page. I did make my first foray into an article edit last night, adding a bit more detail to the Hurricane Andrew statistics section. I'm just a little uncertain about making other changes... as an example, I noticed that the current "satellite" image on the Hurricane Donna article is incorrect, I know that picture was published as "Figure 4-B" in a revised edition of the book "Florida Hurricanes & Tropical Storms", and is cited as being provided "courtesy of the National Hurricane Center". In reality, it is actually a AVHRR image of Hurricane Alicia in 1983 (just before landfall at Galveston, Texas) superimposed over a McIDAS satellite grid of South Florida. Here's a link to an Alicia AVHRR image, from almost the same time... Hurricane Alicia AVHRR. If I'm not mistaken, the composite graphic was indeed put together by the NHC, but only as part of a presentation that was given at the 1984 National Hurricane Conference (in Tampa, Florida) to show a "What if" scenario, and was actually intended to represent something more akin to the size of the 1935 'Labor Day' Hurricane. I'm not sure how it got published as being "Donna" but I guess stranger things have happened.

Anyway, there are random things like that running around in my brain...so, if I can put them to good use here, all the better. Anyway, as I become more familiar with how to do things, I'll try to be a more prolific contributor. I'm going to seek out information to help me learn the ropes. That said, is there anything specific I need to do to join the TC Wikiproject?

On the subject of chasing, since you're up in NJ, did you get any effects from Isabel? Either way, I'm sure you'll get into the middle of one at some point. And speaking from experience, if you think your love of hurricanes is bad now, wait till you get into your first big one in the tropics...haha.

Thanks again for the invite and I look forward to seeing you around and helping where I can. Feel free to comment any time.

--Michael Laca 02:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again...I'll join right away! I'll definitely make sure that anything I do is sourced and that the appropriate citation/reference is included. I figured that would be necessary, so I had already included sources with my Andrew edits last night.

You're absolutely correct, Elena had filled by about 8mb from the 951mb minimum the previous afternoon, to the 959mb landfall pressure. But, even so, the structure of the storm remained completely intact and at between Ocean Springs (to our east) and my location at Biloxi, the eye passage was just stellar. During the western eyewall we had very turbulent conditions with peak winds of about 120 mph from the north-northeast. The winds went down to about 5-10mph during the eye, never a complete calm. Then after the eye, during the eastern eyewall, the winds peaked betwen 80-100 mph, even though at that point they were onshore...probably because the storm was well inland and weakening rapidly at that point.

Believe me, I wish more than anyone that satellite photos existed for Hurricane Donna, it's one of my all time favorite storms. But, beyond the fact that I was at the 1984 Hurricane Conference and saw the presentation where the composite image was shown, there are numerous other reasons why this satellite image can't be Donna:

• In 1960, weather satellite imagery was completely brand new, the very first image being sent only five months before Donna's landfall. The quality of those original TIROS I images was nowhere near that of the image that's currently on the Donna article and they didn't have topography outlines back then (unless someone drew them in by hand).
• Donna was a significantly larger hurricane than what is shown in that image based on radar presentations from Miami and Key West.
• Donna's center crossed the Keys near Marathon, due north of the position of the storm shown in the photo (the composite image shows the storm over the Florida Straits, mid-way between Cuba and the Keys)... extrapolating a northwest motion from where the photo shows the center would have Donna crossing the Keys somewhere between Big Pine and Key West.
• Most importantly, there was no IR imagery in 1960, only visible light. Given that Donna crossed the Keys in the middle of the night (near 0300 UTC), there is no way, in 1960, that there could have been any imagery at that time.

I'll definitely post these points on the Donna talk page, and see if I can find another cool high-quality image to take its place.

Thanks again for all the help, I read your user page and saw all your contributions, that's absolutely amazing!! How do you find the time...haha?!? Anyway, it's great to have a resource as proficient as you to help. If there's ever anything I can do to help you... if you need help answering a question, need help validating something, need an image, etc... I'll do my best to help.

--Michael Laca 06:45, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah you're totally correct. It always seems that with Northern Gulf hurricanes, the southern portions of the eyewall are always open and/or eroding at the time of landfall (Carmen, Frederic, Opal, Lili, Ivan, Katrina, etc...) Elena was definitely an exception. Maybe because it was much smaller in size, compared to some of the other storms, or maybe partially due to the direction of its approach? It's hard to say for sure. Either way, Elena's structure, just before landfall, looked just as good, if not better, than it did when it was at its peak the day before. And in actuality, until landfall, the storm wasn't really weakening all that fast. The 8mb rise in pressure was over an 18hr period, with the last 3-4mb occuring only after the northern portion of the eye was already onshore, but before the geometric center crossed the coast. So, in my opinion, Elena was in more of a leveled-off 'steady-state' mode at landfall in Mississippi. Here is a sequence (although less than spectacular quality) of radar images from the Pensacola and Slidell sites, during the landfall period. Image #1 (NPA) is about 5hrs after Elena's peak intensity of 951mb. Image #2 (SLI) shows the very impressive radar presentation of Elena, as the core began moving over coastal Mississippi. In Image #3 (NPA), you can see the sharply defined eye and eyewall, just minutes before it moved over my location. Finally Image #4 shows Elena well inland and weakening rapidly, but still retaining an excellent structure, even though the eye has completely filled. The very famous space shuttle image of Elenawas also taken just prior to landfall in Mississippi, so the excellent organization of the storm is evident there too.

It sucks about the Donna image, I really wish there were more satellite images from some of those earlier storms. I did find some previously unknown (to me) images of Donna from the University of Miami's radar. And, I also made this cool composite animation out of some still radar images of Donna. I'm always looking to increase my collection of historical hurricane photos, so, if you ever find any online, or anywhere else, please let me know.

Anyway, thanks again for being so welcoming! =^D If you ever want to chat directly feel free to send me an e-mail through the contact link on my website. I'm looking forward to being part of the team. Take care. --Michael Laca 18:56, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chris '82

Do you plan on working on this, cause for my 25th article, which i promise to make my best, I wanted to do Chris '82 and its not even on your list, so can I work on it?Mitchazenia 15:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Hold for 1996 Pacific hurricane season

You put the article on hold on March 5th, and have not acted since. You also forgot to leave notice of the Hold at WP:GAC. Could you please pass or fail the article ASAP, as we are trying to clear the backlog at GAC, as well an article should not be put on hold for more than 7 days. Thank you for your attention to this. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 19:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

More like I removed the hold, so someone else would give it the third opinion. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 19:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #11

[edit] GAYS AND LESBIANS OF KEY WEST

We are an active part of the Key West Fan club base for Mister Buffett please stop removing our Template as this is Homophobic Vandalism If you disagree with our projects them simply ignore them —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cr8tiv (talk • contribs) 20:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 1983 AHS

Just by curiousity what else does the season need for FA status?

And for the two articles in existance:

Hurricane Alicia

Hurricane Barry (1983)

What do they need for B to GA class?Mitchazenia 20:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, you're my idol, didn't mean to offend you. And I am citewebbing Alicia.Mitchazenia 21:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User Cr8tiv

I saw what you had to deal with as to this user Cr8tiv. He appears to be a sockpuppet for user Benji1996, as they've been vandalizing some of the same pages, several times with the same sort of material (and neither one signs talk page entries). I haven't reported it yet because there isn't a ton of evidence thus far, but may I suggest that if you notice the same you let me know? Thanks in advance. 1995hoo

[edit] Your current projects

Who knows? 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988, and 1989 currently have at least 4 articles in their seasons. If I ever finish the articles, then we'll see what happens. Thanks for the compliment though on the infoboxes, what pains they are. My AWB went down, which really sucks. I was gonna use that instead to save me some work.Mitchazenia 19:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

My priority is to do the 4 subarticles and seasonal article of 1982 first, i'd like to see Debby and STS 1 reach GA-status.Mitchazenia 19:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Could I ask of a favor? Hold off on FA nominating Alberto until STS1, Beryl and Debby are at least GA?Mitchazenia 19:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a set in my newest sandbox for Debby that you might recoginize me doing before, but Core and Nilfanion don't want me using technical stuff in the article. Opinion?Mitchazenia 20:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They were going to go into the HHA's (P-3s) section because that's what they are based on, but I can't finish because I can't access AMS stuff lately.Mitchazenia 20:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

<---I have a gut feeling that Beryl ain't gonna have any more info than it already does, Google and The Hurricane Archive are not helping and if anything, I'll suggest a merge.Mitchazenia 23:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I didn't know you were sick...

Or so they say. Strange disease indeed... Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial triple crown jewels

Your Imperial Majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these imperial triple crown jewels in gratitude for your contributions to Wikipedia. May you wear them well. Durova^Charge! 03:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1903 Vagabond Hurricane

On 8 April 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1903 Vagabond Hurricane, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 23:26, 8 April 2007 (UTC)