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User:Worldcreator1

You included User:Worldcreator1 in your spam warnings as stated at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#SPAM.2Fcommercial website solicitation. As can be seen at the WP:ANI discussion, Worldcreator1 is the one who reported it to WP:ANI in the first place. Are you certain he was adding them and not deleting them? He also has blanking warnings for removing content from Telecommunications Broker. I believe he was trying to remove the content and not add it. Am I missing something? Otherwise, I think you should remove the warning as misplaced. -- JLaTondre 17:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks, Ive replied--Hu12 18:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Belated congrats

Hello. I just wanted to pass on a belated but enthusiastic congratulations on getting the mop. And I am so, so sorry for missing your RfA. I was on my very first Wikibreak of any duration (two weeks), and I just now realized you got promoted while I was gone. Obviously, I know you will make a great admin, and I would have said so had I been around. All the best, Satori Son 15:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

User_talk:Seamaster

What cha think about the unblock request down yonder at [1]? Looks like you might want to shorten it at least, but it's your call. —Pilotguy contact ground 22:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, the IP used was blocked 24 hours, I changed the main account to 48 hrs. Would have let it go if there wasn't a block-dodge involved or the talk page vandalism. --Hu12 23:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The spam fighting

I've been away from wiki for ages, but I just wanted to mention that I note the extensive amount of spam finding on the wikiproject spam talk page you've got. Good to see people keeping the spam back, even though I haven't had the time to help out there. Not sure who started it, but I like the use of the adsense ID; that is a great extra correllation on spam sites. Kevin_b_er 04:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Seas

Hi, I added the redlink to Seas (company) at Seas again as I believe that this loudspeaker manufacturer easily meets WP:CORP. This is not the same organization as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SEAS so please discuss before reverting. Cheers, --KFP (talk | contribs) 23:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, and for the distinction between the two. Read elswhere that you plan to take on this article yourself, I Look forward to reading it. --Hu12 13:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Palin

Hi, what was the reason you reverted Himalaya with Michael Palin to an earlier version? See [2]. The older version looked much better to me. Sorry for the rollback btw, I clicked wrong. Cheers, Garion96 (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Error on my part, your correct.--Hu12 21:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, so this was it, I missed that. Good call. Garion96 (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
My first edit made no sense, thanks for letting me know. ;)--Hu12 21:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Why remove this link? It contains an original review. OK it has ads but they are allowed under the TOS -- and excessive is in the eye of the beholder, and as you are not God so you cannot judge! The TOS may need an objective measure, but until then what gives you the right to make the call? — Pgrieg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 12:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

re Torrisholme

The Torrisholme article was just prank nonsense, I actually live there, please read the previous article. ````


Comment from Sam Mishra, MBA (MIT Sloan) =

I saw your comments. I am not adding directly any links to franteractive.net. Others might be doing it. For instance, you are doing a dis-service to readers by deleting the link to my Porter's Five Forces article, which others have agreed is useful, since it extends the Analysis to a Buyer-Supplier Matrix. After all, Buyer and Supplier are two of the main themes / forces in Porter's Five Forces. Now, I suggest you check the discussion page on Porter Five Forces, others have agreed that the link is useful. Since you seem to firm in your idea that the link is spam, I suggest you assuage the concerns of other readers who seem to like the article, and think that it should be there. I think I am somewhat qualified to talk on Porter Five Forces, since I did an MBA from MIT, a top five b-school. The nine-grid buyer-supplier matrix is a useful extension to Porter Five Forces, but removing the link will not deter the propagation of knowledge. I do get requests from other authors who want to reference my article and images in their books and publications. What you are doing is clipping the Porter’s Five Forces Article by the wings... in the name of administration. Please oblige with feedback, and also, please enter the discussion on the discussion page on Porter’s Five Forces….Thanks Sam 02:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Avoid editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with See WP:COI.--Hu12 03:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I understand. I am not adding links to my articles, but if my readers do it, I am not going to say: don't do it! What I am saying is simple: before deleting the link to my Porter Five Forces article which someone else added whom I don't even know, should you not have read the discussion page of that Wikipedia article, since you are an administrator? Are you not doing a dis-service to Wikipedia readers who are looking to understand Porter Five Forces more completely by deleting useful links? I don't see a conflict of interest here in sharing knowledge, rather it is common interest in Porter Five Forces which prompted someone else to add back the link---I did not add that link back after you warned me sometime back in February that you will blacklist my site. What is your blacklist policy? I see much more powerful businesses' links all over Wikipedia. What are you doing about that? Will appreciate your gut reactions. Sam 08:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Apart from the concern of Advertising and conflicts of interest, Blogs are Links normally to be avoided, this has ben mentioned to you by others in the past. Your contributions to wikipedia consist mainly of adding the franteractive.net website and is considered WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, the majority seem to be external link related only. See [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24]. In the recent days you have taken an agressive posture to WP:CANVASS for this links inclusion. see [25][26][27]. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. If you have content to contribute, contribute that. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the useful facts; add useful facts to the article. No need to worry about the blacklist, this currently does not deem that type of action. There are tons of inapropriate links all over Wikipedia, the fact that we haven't gotten around to it, yet, does not mean that we have some obligation to have franteractive.net. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto some other site, right? see Links normally to be avoided Hu12 15:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Links with original content improve wikipedia. Why shouldn't we direct people to other sites? Isn't that what the external link feature is for?— Pgrieg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 12:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

This page and protection

Since you are blocking anons, please unprotect this page, to make it easier for those you warn to contact you. Thanks, Prodego talk 03:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't subscribe to fractured discussions, Since my warnings are on those pages I reply there. Blocked anons can't discuss any where else but their own talk. I may consider in the near future, however I am not comfortable with that now. thank ou for your consideration.--Hu12 03:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hu12 is bossy and narrow-minded

Hu12 says we should discuss before editing the page. But he didn't discuss when he removes a large sum of contents. How funny he is! He uses his own power so he can control the page at his own will. There is a rule which says you should explain before you revert. Improve it not just revert. Did he follow THE RULES? No. The only thing he contributed is to destroy, so I think he should be banned too in this case. I know I am going to be banned too since I have pointed out his evildoing. Ha... ha... # Happyzone See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_Brokers — Happyzone (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 07:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

May want to first read WP:CIV. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Wikipedia articles are not:
  1. Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. Statememnts such as Interactive Brokers offers most attractive interest rates in the industry and the sections that were removed did no attempt to report objectively with a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you wish to advertise or solicit the merits of your favorite views.
  2. Advertising. Sections added to Interactive Brokers promoting commission rates, trading discounts, attractive interest rates or account minimums are inpropriate for inclusion and unencyclopedic. This has wide acceptance among editors and is considered a standard that all users should follow. Please note Wikipedia does not endorse any businesses and it does not Allow advertising.
Please refrain from repeatedly adding promotional material to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. --Hu12 14:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Protection for my user page

You protected my user page about two weeks ago and I think I'm ready to have my page unprotected. There haven't been many vengeful vandals in the last few days. Gdo01 09:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Done--Hu12 13:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

321books not a spam or scraper site

321books is not a spam site, it is not a scraper site, as you have accused it of being. It uses Adsense, but so do many sites linked to by Wikipedia. There is no objective measure for excessive advertising, so how can you judge this site to be using excessive advertising? Have you read any of the pages, or found any original text which they have scraped? (You won't, all the pages are themselves original!) Shouldn't the removing of links be down to subject editors? Admins, it seems to me, haven't the time or knowledge to justify link removal, although they can start a discussion. If you suspect a site is a scraper then you should investigate by searching for text, not just guessing. Although I guess by blacklisting 321books you got me to point out the facts to you, which given the demands on your time, is perhaps the way it has to be [sigh]. Anyway, in the cause of justice, could I appeal to you to have 321books taken off the blacklist Pgrieg 12:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

WPSPAM case repost:
321books is a proven MFA, (made for adsense) scrapper site. Quick examples include, this link (321books.co.uk/gutenberg/cousin/front.htm) scrapped from University of Adelaide [28], and an instance where 321books (321books.co.uk/gutenberg/cousin/p578.htm) even scrapped wikipedia content [29]. Your contributions to wikipedia consist mainly of adding external links to 321books, and Campaigning, and Forum shopping for its inclusion on talk pages which is also considered WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, the majority seem to be related only to this site. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm. Hu12 16:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The Cousin dictionary was generated from Project Gutenberg sources, not Adelaide or wikipedia. I define scraping as illigitimate copying, therefore this was not scraped. Also, this was very much a side project. Anyway, the pages you initially deleted -- Tesco book pages, biographies... are all original. I know that 'cause I created them myself. Note, don't come back and say I scraped the Faraday (or any other) biography, because I know someone else has scraped MY original text. The scraping you accuse me of, in relation to the wikipedia page, must have gone the other way, if at all. I'm prepared to give wikipedia the benefit of the doubt. A wikipedia user may have just have happened to generate the page in a similar way. I take such scraping of my pages as compliments, rather than an invitation to attack. You should be able to find out the original creation date of both pages and that should prove me to be the originator. Note also, I've had college professor's in America linking to some of my biographies (Socrates for instance, if you want to do a link:). If educational institutions, and experts to boot, are happy to link to my pages (adsense or not) why isn't Wikipedia? I have had run ins with Wikipedia admins before, so I decided to only do anything that wikipedia admins might not consider whiter than white under this name in case you guys get really heavy -- if you can ban my URL I'm sure you wouldn't think twice about banning my name. I don't want my main 'contributions' name to be trashed.— Pgrieg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 17:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Moved discussion to WPSPAM case, in order to get a consensu view--Hu12 18:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

List of vegetable oils

Howdy. Just a note that I've reverted your removal of references on the List of vegetable oils. I appreciate the thought (that classifieds don't count), but the bulkoil.com site actually has some quite informative writeups on many, many oils. If you'd like to replace the references with better ones, please feel free, but the references that are there have gone through a very extensive review process (during the featured list review), so please don't just remove them. Waitak 05:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

The small write ups on those pages seem to be sourced from, 3rd parties including wikipedia. All contain extensive ad lists "for sale" which clearly are classified solicitations. Also there is a case of over citing, since each "list" item has its own article, there hardly seems to be a need to cite an external source that is infact content found on wikipedia. I won't list every instance, however it seems strange to need to cite the statements;
  • "Corn oil, a common cooking oil with little odor or taste"
  • "Soybean oil, produced as a byproduct of processing soy meal."
--Hu12 07:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Moved response to Talk:List of vegetable oils Waitak 08:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Stratford

I don't think you meant to put [30] on that page; it also isn't a violation of 3RR, since it was over more than a week. --NE2 22:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

LOL, I have way too many open browsers, wrong talk page. Thanks for letting me know. Still think a revision warning is in order in some form, it may not be blockable, but re-adding the same link several times is worth a warning--Hu12 22:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
He has reverted now, so it probably is. --NE2 22:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Gave a heads up, seems there quite a bit of issue with this users edits, User_talk:Noroton#Trainweb.org, User_talk:KyraVixen#Don.27t_you_dare and Wikipedia_talk:External_links#Adding_links_to_organizations_to_articles_about_related_things.--Hu12 23:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Learn some mannters

See User_talk:KyraVixen#Don.27t_you_dare, learn some manners from her way of doing business, then revert your edits along the lines we've agreed to. You have made no attempt to reach consensus. Start.Noroton 23:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Not sure consensus is needed for WP:SPAM and WP:CANVASS. I hope no one here is "doing business", if they are let me know and I'll be happy to take it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Feel free to review WP:CIV.--Hu12 23:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Please explain what part of [WP:CANVASS]] applies here, and for that matter, what part of WP:SPAM. Noroton 23:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Citation_Spamming_of_http:.2F.2Fwww.trainweb.org--Hu12 00:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Dollywood Pin Trading

Hi - I'm a bit confused. Why did you vote for speedy delete on this article and then remove the speedy tag that was already there? EliminatorJR Talk 19:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The speedy tag was added after it was added to Articles for deletion, speedy tag isn't needed as there is a AfD discussion.--Hu12 22:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Request re: Habitual plagiarist

The user Chewygum (talk • contribs) has continued to plagiarize content from other websites despite repeated warnings on his talk page which he quickly deletes. Can something be done to make this user understand that plagiarism isn't a good thing? Most recently, he plagiarized content from the hxxp://www.adroth.ph/ (ADROTH project) for use in the Philippine Reserve Officer Training Corps article --Edward Sandstig 12:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no tolerance for copyright violations in it, and we actively strive to find and remove any that we find. If you believe Wikipedia is infringing a copyright, you may request immediate removal of the copyright violation. --Hu12 04:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Fred the Monkey

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Fred the Monkey. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Captain Wikify Argh! 23:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Note: I know that you were closing an obvious AFD, and I completely back your decision. But the stupid undeletion procedures dictate that I do this. --Captain Wikify Argh! 23:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for undeletion

Hi Hu12, you recently deleted the article Rockpools, and I now request for this to be restored. It is a legitimate article relating to a notable company in the UK and it is linked to Hamish Davidson. I am more than happy to modify it to suit the guidelines here - I'm new and maybe got carried away, and would appreciate your help and guidance on how it should be. I tried putting it in a similar format/language style as other similar organisations, but obviously it wasn't to the standard expected. Rather than deleting though, please tell me how it needs to be. Could you please undelete it - it should be part of Wikipedia. Thanks for considering my request. Kaswa 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to sign! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaswa (talk • contribs) 20:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

Commented over on your talk Rockpools--Hu12 20:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Dermatlas mediation

Would you agree to mediation over DermAtlas? (Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal, or any other dispute resolution mechanism of your choosing.) --Arcadian 01:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

We can take it to WP:WPSPAM if you like, however the policies on WP:SPAM, WP:EL and WP:COI are quite clear on this matter. Spamming is about promoting a site or a site you love, not always about commercial sites at all. Links to commercial sites are often appropriate. Links added (such as this case) for the purpose of using Wikipedia to promote that site are not appropriate. --Hu12 01:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Per your suggestion, I have opened the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#DermAtlas. --Arcadian 01:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hyacinthia

You deleted the article at 03:33, on 20 March because of the template Template:db-r1. However, I have gone through the google cache and discovered an article that existed before. The redirect that may have been tagged was possibly vandalism.

I would like for the page to be undeleted and reverted to it last good state. Please inform me of your decision. Thanks.
--Ng.j 17:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, seems it was redirected to a non existant page. It has been restored and the redirect removed.--Hu12 18:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the spam

I had provided some links for free programs for pricing of variance swaps, Credit default swap, etc. assuming that it would help in understanding of the associated topics. (They are also hard to find free) Anyway, my perception was wrong and you are the boss to decide that it was SPAM. I don't want the links back, but I will appreciate if you can please remove/allow me to remove the spam stuff on my talk page. Thanks Swatiquantie 20:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing warnings from one's talk page is also considered vandalism. However, after a reasonable time has elapsed, archiving one's talk page, including the warnings, is acceptable. This roughly would be about a month, in order to show that behavior has ceased. Editors may be subject to a minor block for archiving prematurely so as to hide warnings. I do believe you are sincere in that this situation won't happen again , I may remove them earlier than the month;) --Hu12 20:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for responding to that guy on my talk page. I was trying to think of the correct reply to a COI spammer and you did it for me. RJASE1 Talk 14:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Your welcome. ;)--Hu12 20:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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