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[edit] Archives

This talk page was getting a little bit too long, so I archived past discussions. The archives are organized by topic. If you are looking at my talk page to find out more about my behavior, here is a small summary made by me:

1) I had a rough learning of wikipedia. I've made many mistakes. People have corrected me a lot of times.

2) I have been accused, sometimes with justification, sometimes without it, of having a bias in favor of right-wing politics in Mexico (for Mexicans, right-wing politics means liberalism and theocracy, however, since I am atheist, I believe that the accusations were more about my liberal perspectives). I have, however, learned a lot and now only make contributions when I can source them, and I strive for NPOV, which means that recently, when I make edits, I try to put both the "left-wing" and the "right-wing" perspective. Unfortunately, I don't get many comments on this new attitude of mine...

3) I have been accused of cheering for UANL Tigres. Of course, I do. The accusations come from editors at UANL Tigres and Clásico Regiomontano who say that my edits strongly favor the team I cheer for. I don't feel that way, because my edits are mostly verifiable. As I said before, I strive for NPOV. However, I am not perfect and ask for you to keep an eye on me. =)

4) I have been warned for vandalism. On December 28, 2006, I made a number of nonsense edits on many articles about Mexico and left an edit summary of "Inocente Palomita". December 28 is day of the innocents in Mexico, and is similar to April Fools in the USA, in that we make pranks and practical jokes. My edits were intended as practical jokes for other Mexican users and I had the full intention of reverting them after December 28. A user who is not for Mexico, however, did the reversion for me and not understanding that I was engaging in tradition, I got warned. I'll never do vandalism of this type again, except maybe next December 28...

5) Templates of some of my userboxes have been changed. I have also been asked to participate in a number of discussions. I've had some fights, and sometimes, the fights have found me.

If you want to dwelve on the detail of the above, feel free to consult the archives.

Hari Seldon 20:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussions about articles related to Mexican Politics

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[edit] Discussions about Mexico, the article, cities, and other general information

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[edit] Discussions about UANL Tigres, Mexican Football League, and other sport-related topics

/Archive_Mex2

[edit] Discussions about Monterrey and Monterrey-related topics, including ITESM, and edit war in Second City

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[edit] Discussions on other topics, including vandalism on December 28, 2006 and other requests for participation

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[edit] Economy of Mexico

Hi, I didn't have time to work on that article since I was working on revamping Etymology of Mexico and on opening a poll in Talk:Mexico so that the page can be unprotected as soon as possible. In any case, I had already made several comments last week in Talk:Economy of Mexico. Let me know what you think. As for the pics, you already have my email address so you can send them to me via email if you wish. Cheers! --the Dúnadan 01:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I recommend the following papers:
and oh well, these are a lot of academic readings, but I guess that reading the sources directly is better than reading the short, summarized, digested (and interpreted) version of the facts. Don't be overwhelmed by the size and content of these papers, of course I didn't read each and every single detail of these links, I just skimmed through them, and found very interesting facts that we can use. Just skim through them on your free time, or read the table of contents, and if a topic seems interesting, then go through the details. After all, we are not going to write a very comprehensive long treatise on the Economy of Mexico, but just an easy-to-read encyclopedia article with relevant information.
--the Dúnadan 03:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry I haven't done anything regarding this project. I hadn't had the time, and I was mostly focused on improving Mexico City and Greater Mexico City so that we can have a parameter to discuss in our decision as to which nomenclature to use. In any case, I will start editing Economy of Mexico probably today or tomorrow. If you have any additional information (especially on Monterrey as an industrial hub) let me know. By the way, I followed the link to your blog and I liked it a lot, very interesting and informative. Congratulations on that.
--theDúnadan 21:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Oh, thanks. I am honored, but I have to say that you also played an important part in the mediation and improvement of those articles. =) --theDúnadan 04:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image of Monterrey and Garza García

I am actually hesitant in including the image in either article. While I am for now assuming good faith, I doubt Supaman took the picture himself. His account was blocked from commons for repeatedly uploading copyrighted images claiming they were his or whose source was "my computer". The image [[Mariamexicovsarge.jpg]], which he said he took from his friend "María González" was actually first published by fifaworldcup.yahoo.com, and now hosted by soccerpulse.com. This image is used in Mexico in the sports section. I think we should really be cautious with the panoramic image of Garza-García, it looks way too professional (it had to be taken from a helicopter or an adjacent taller building), and we must not get in trouble with copyright infringement policies. --theDúnadan 22:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The picture could have easily been taken from the adjacent Torre Comercial América, which is almost as tall as the Torre CNCI (shown). The view of the Torre CNCI at middlepoint, which further indicate that the picture was in fact taken from Torre Comercial América. In fact, it isn't difficult to take a picture such as that if one knows enough about photography. I could have taken that picture myself.
However, I understand your concern. If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that this picture was in copyright infringement, I have many other pictures about both Monterrey and Garza García to contribute.
I am a little busy right now, since I work and also go to school. But as soon as I have some free time, I'll get current in some of the proactive projects in wikipedia, including the Economy of Mexico article, and a total re-do of the Garza García article, which is much needed.
Hari Seldon 22:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the Barnstar

Hello Hari. I have been sick (and getting ready for a gallbladder surgery) so I haven't been on for almost 2 weeks. I just felt better today so here I am. Thanks for the barnstar you awarded me, it was very nice and it certainly makes me wish to come back soon and create more works to help improve Wikipedia's graphical identity. Thanks again. AlexCovarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 01:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] José Marroquín Leal

Hey Hari, There is already an article about Pipo at José Marroquín, I'm not that sure about the process to follow in order to have both articles in one page, if you know how to fix it I'd appreciate you to do it. I have some contributions but I will wait for you to fix this problem as you seem more experienced to deal with this kind of problems. Regards. Aldoman 07:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I've made José Marroquín redirect to José Marroquín Leal. I hope this is satisfactory. Hari Seldon 07:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Plaza Fiesta San Agustín Logo.jpg)

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[edit] About metro areas and cities

Well, I opened up a debate/poll in WikiProject:Mexico so that all users can participate on this debate. I tried summarizing your opinion in there, but I think I did a poor job. Please feel free to change what I wrote about your proposal and your argumentation so that it appropriately resembles your opinion. I want to be fair with all of what you wrote. I hope more users participate. Cheers! --theDúnadan 20:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I have to admit I was a little disappointed at this debate. You've said it before, you feel very strongly about Monterrey, and I respect that. I don't know if you are thoroughly reading my arguments, since you did not respond to them. I wouldn't have minded at all if you had rebutted or refuted each particular argument, so that at least the debate would be moving by a mutual understanding of our the valid points we are both making. But in this debate, I am surprised that you preferred to cling to a popular conception instead of looking at sources, and I was willing to send you all the files that I downloaded, and that I have been reading and studying regarding metro areas in Mexico from CONAPO.
In spite of that, I consider you to be one of the best editors and contributors for Mexico-related articles that I have met in Wikipedia. And if you feel this is a personal matter for which you feel strongly, then I am willing to stop the debate. I believe we both can work as a team on many other articles and projects about Mexico, and I rather do that, and leave this issue aside for a while, especially if nobody else says anything. Sounds cool? =)
--theDúnadan 00:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a portal about Monterrey is an excellent idea, especially with all the information you have about it, and that several users come from Monterrey too. I would be willing to cooperate with whatever I can. I haven't lived in Monterrey or Mexico City or Guadalajara, so I don't have as much information and pictures, but I can sure help with searching stuff in books and encyclopedias.
Actually, I also wanted to improve all subarticles about Mexico, starting with Economy of Mexico, and then going to Demographics of Mexico, Metropolitan areas of Mexico, Languages of Mexico and the most interesting one of all: Politics of Mexico. =) And, of course, revive the Portal:Mexico.
--theDúnadan 00:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, about Gruma, I think the article is quite good and informative. I remember reading a NAFTA book that talked about the monopoly (or duopoly) of tortilla (or tortilla flour) production in Mexico, and the effects of the abolishment of corn price controls and subsidies in CONASUPO and corn mills (of which Maseca is one, isn't it?) during the 1990s. I do not know if it is related at all to Gruma, but it might be interesting to research on that. --theDúnadan 00:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject:Monterrey

I'm in. Gilbertogm 03:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mexican-Americans

Disculpa que te moleste, pero siendo un mexicano que vive en Estados Unidos crees que podrías mejorar el artículo de Mexican Americans, de todo los artículos de hispanos me aprece que el de los mmexicanos es el menos profesional, yo quiero saber realmente como va la situación de los mexicanos allá en Estados Unidos, si van emjorndo o empeorando si se vuelven mas rico o mas pobre, en fin tu me entiendes, si tienes tiempo libre me gustaría ver si lo puiedes mejorar y si necesitas ayuda pues claro que te ayudare.

Mexxxicano 05:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

avec plaisir Hari Seldon 05:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing reversion by you

In the Andrés Manuel López Obrador article I changed the phrase "...like price ceilings for tortillas[72] that protect local producers of corn, " into "like price ceilings for tortillas[72] that protect local consumers of corn". Because the price ceiling protect the consumers who need to be able to buy tortillas at a reasonable price - protecting the producers would be done by fixing a minimum price. My change was then reverted with the edit summary "That is an opinion. The government's stated purpose is to protect consumers.)" This is self conrradrictory if the governments expressed purpose is to protect consumers (which I believe it is) why would you then revert the text into saying that price ceiling protect the producers (which basic economic theory says it doesn't). I am confused. please state which one you actually mean and provide an actual source stating whether the government wants to protect the consumers (which would be logical) or the producers (which would be illogical since the problem is too high prices, not too low prices). ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 20:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, as long as it is Calderon being illogical I can live with that. The way I have understood it the higher prices are mostly due to the US diverting a larger portion of maize to production of Bio-ethanol. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 13:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
You are ok with the Commander in Chief, and Supreme Executive of the Mexican Federal Government being irrational? Mh... Hari Seldon 16:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I just meant that if he is then it doesn't surprise me. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 18:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the argument is that, although international prices of corn are rising, the internal industry should not be affected. National producers of corn, who are heavily subsidized, confirm that their price to intermediaries has been relatively stable, and producers of tortillas confirmed that intermediaries are the ones inflating the price. Calderón, and tortilla producers argue that by taking actions against intermediaries, such as price controls, local producers will benefit. Hari Seldon 19:09, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banorte

I'm not sure where this building is located, I'll try to take some pics of it if I'm able to locate it this weekend. However I have a picture of the first building that Banorte owned in Morelos Strees and Zaragoza. This building is still a Banorte office. AlexCovarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 22:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

That building (Banorte in Morelos) is beautiful! However, I am referring to the Banorte tower, in Avenida Revolución and Avenida Alfonso Reyes, near Tecnológico de Monterrey. If you go to the ITESM and climb the CIAP, or the tall parking building, you can see it from there. Hari Seldon 22:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] North America (Americas)

I'll try to explain it as simple as I can. You know Corticopia has been pushing the POV that Mexico is part of Central America. As you know we had an edit warring in the article Mexico and a debate Talk:Mexico, in which mainly Dunadan provided enough evidence that a portion of southeastern Mexico is physiographically in Central America, but that geopolitically Mexico is in the North American region. He agreed and proceeded to edit the article in that way.

Now he's denying that and is editing all the articles that mention Mexico is in North America (namely Americas (terminology), Middle America (Americas), an article he defends a lot; and used to edit the article Central America).

He nominated the article North America (Americas) for deletion, saying that it was created following a POV pushing. I created the article in order to avoid confusion and in order to have the different models used in the Americas (North, Central, South or the model Corticopia likes, Northern, Middle and South). Also because the Template:Regions of the world lacked an article about the NA region, it used to have a link to North America (continent). As you can note in the article North America (disambiguation), he even edited it once it was created (I guess because he was OK with it then).

Can you please vote in this? I think it is unacceptable to try to delete a perfectly valid article, just because he wants to. Thanks for your help. AlexCovarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 14:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Other than being a veiled ad hominem argument, I think YOU have gone too far AC. As I've stated there, there is a key difference -- the content regarding the sub/regions of Northern America (which is not merely a UN construct; see article) and Middle America (numerous definitions provided) are well sourced, while that of the 'region' of North America isn't. This doesn't deny other continental models, but no sources have been provided that clearly delineate what the model upon which the nominated article is based. The sources in North America (Americas) do not support the content in that article, and a read of those sources will reveal that. Regardless, if necessary, applicable content can be added to the North America article instead of forking and conflating. Sorry to use your talk page, HS. Corticopia 14:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hadn't we reached consensus on this issue? Why can't we just stick with what he had agreed on?!
You two resolve this. Corticopia, I feel that your position is a little bit too intolerant. The region of North America needs only one source, the NAFTA document. It is a point of view that can be easily documented. Just because it currently isn't doesn't mean that it cannot.
And you, Alex, should put more attention on the guidelines. Your point of view is valid, and you can make it bullet proof against vandalism following the rules. Why don't you just provide reliable sources and reference them accordingly? That way, if someone attacks your contributions, you have the protection of the guidelines, and you can always ask an admin to help you out.
I am not an admin, so this is as far as I will go. Stick to consensus, stick to guidelines, and assume good faith. Good luck to the both of you.
Hari Seldon 17:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I see your point. As the AfD tag says, they encourage improving the article. I have added more sources indicating that North America is a subcontinent (as taught in several parts of the world) and a region. I thought it was ok not to add so much sources, but Corticopia is a little bit too extreme and nominated the article for deletion based in the "lack of sources". AlexCovarrubias ( Let's talk! ) 17:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
We did for Mexico, but all things are not equal -- particularly when pushing a point of view. Sourced content in the fork (the content of which is not substantiated by the sources, even the ones recently added) can be placed in North America. Just because NAFTA is a pact amongst three countries in North America, it does not mean that they alone comprise North America (which includes more than that). Should I equally argue that North America is JUST the US and Canada because of NAFTA's predecessor? (However, there may be other grounds for that basis.) It's like saying Europe and the European Union are the same thing.
Anyhow, thanks for your comments. Corticopia 17:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm ... Embracing differing points of view does not equate to creating article forks to justify them. If sourced properly, there is no reason why North America cannot be edited to include these points, which it already may in the 'Countries and territories' and 'Human geography' (e.g. talk of NAFTA) sections. I am more than happy to work collaboratively with this editor to achieve mutually beneficial aims but, frankly, Wikipedia is not our mother and I am not his. Thanks. Corticopia 21:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
BTW: what were you saying about working co-operatively? Corticopia 22:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. Corticopia 21:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hari, I need to go now, but I just read your message. Thanks for your condolences, I deeply appreciate it. AlexCovarrubias

( Let's talk! ) 18:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hola (otro regio)

Hi Hari. I'll write in English 'cause it seems to be the rule around.
I'm a regio too, and about 3 months or so ago finished reading the Foundation novels (I'm still to read Forward the Foundation, 1993), that is why I was curious about your username, and because I saw your comments in Alex Covarrubias's discussion page.
I'm into writing articles about Monterrey's cerros. So far I've created Cerro de las Mitras & La m, and contributed to Cerro de la Silla, La huasteca and Puente Atirantado (both in English and Spanish).
Of course, I'd like to follow them with articles on Topo Chico, Obispado, Loma Larga, etc., etc.
Do you happen to have photos, or know about someone having photos of this cerros?
That's just all. And... oh, if you like Asimov, try Orson Scott Card and his Ender Saga, or Brian Aldiss and several of his earlier short stories.
--Valdezlopez 01:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smile

James, La gloria è a dio has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.


[edit] Carlos Slim

Hello. Carlos Slim has the Lebanese nationality and speaks Arabic as his native tongue. He and his son visit Lebanon every few months. Emбargo 14:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing sources. Hari Seldon 18:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] North America

It's uncontraversial that Mexico is in North America (i.e. I could probably provide 100 reliable sources to this effect without much effort) - what is contraversial is that Mexico might also not be in North America. Anyways, your version was problematic because it implied Central America wasn't in North America (that it is in North America is easily referencable) - don't confuse North America with Nortamerica, or Central America with America Central. WilyD 17:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

This discussion is so old!... I just wish revisions about this would cease! Hari Seldon 17:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Mexican billionaires

Not meaning to invade your user talk page but... What do you mean by "See talk page"? --FateClub 20:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean for you to wait a few minutes until I finished writing my arguments in the article's talk page, and then read what I had to say for reasons for my revert. Sorry I wasn't fast enough :)
By the way, fellow editors are always welcome to my talk page, and you are too. Hari Seldon 20:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New articles

Hi, Hari, I hope you are doing well. I finished the major revamping of Demographics of Mexico and Politics of Mexico, after a somewhat extensive research through INEGI, CONAPO, and the constitution of Mexico. Please feel free to review them, and tell me what you think. Cheers! --theDúnadan 17:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clasico regiomontano

Hehehe, I think I can help, I'll try to do my best. AlexCov ( Let's talk! ) 18:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning Mexican general election 2006 controversies

Warning

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.

If this continues, I will report you to the 3RR incident board:

RE: I did not violate the three revert rule. Additionally, I am not reverting your edits, rather I made an edit that you are reverting without properly addressing the concerns I present in the talk page. True, wikipedia cannot explain everything to every reader, however I am not asking about the origin of the atom here, I am asking for a logical link between the contested information and the article's presentation. At the very least, it should be properly explain why it is the lead to the whole section. Is it that this controversial piece is the main reason why the election was contested? Obviously not! Irresponsbility and inability to discuss logically/negotiate do not assume good faith, and that too is against wikipedia policy. Lets not make this content dispute transform into a personal dispute. I have nothing against you, and I do feel that this warning is rather premature. Hari Seldon 02:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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