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[edit] The Nation

I've been meaning to return to this issue. I see that you posted your comment more than a week ago, with no response from anyone, so I think it would be appropriate to go ahead and make the change. My time is kind of tight right now, but I should be able to look in on it Sunday or Monday, and help out in fixing wikilinks. JamesMLane 00:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

That was started but a computer problem meant the process had to be aborted. I've been involved in implementing the relevant policy and as applied it has never meant where one local name by weight of numbers has produced more links. It as applied generally means where a name is widely understood by a cross section of people internationally to mean one thing only, that goes on the main page. As the US periodical does not have an international reputation, and as there is no single publication that is generally recognised to be The Nation outside its own borders then no national publication has a right to claim be the generally understood The Nation. In contrast, Time as an internationally recognised publication gets priority of the Australian magazine of the same name. But if Time was simply a national rather than an international publication it would not. That is the point. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

In regards to The Nation, please discuss your thoughts on the article's talk page instead of perpetuating an uncivil revert war. You will find that there are a lot of other issues at hand than just catering to a "global perspective". --Howrealisreal 02:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I did read the talk page. My opinion was that the only compelling reason to have The Nation redirect to The Nation (U.S. periodical) was that more American editors than those from any other country gave an opinion on it, resulting in an Americocentric view being imposed on the rest of the world as a supposed "consensus". There are other countries than America in the world. Stifle 11:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, you might want to go back and give the talk page a more thorough look. Like I have said to User:Jtdirl, you are only obsessed with the surface phenomenon here and cannot see the depth of the problem. The most important aspect of keeping "The Nation" linked with the U.S. Periodical page has to do with the fact that over 200 pipes in various Wikipedia articles will suddenly go to a disambiguation page. This creates a lot of extra work for other editors and is ultimately confusing. You guys seem to be very outspoken when it comes to the "global perspective" ad hominem argument, but pretty quiet when it comes to sifting though and correcting all the broken links you'll create as a result of your opinions. --Howrealisreal 15:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I see your point. As an indication of my good faith and that I am not trying to create a revert war, I have started to adjust links to The Nation so that they point to The Nation (U.S. periodical). I will continue later. Stifle 16:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The issue of what article should be at this title has been placed on Wikipedia:Requested moves. You can offer your vote and comment here: Talk:The Nation#Article title. JamesMLane t c 06:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm not really interested in getting involved, and I can't really stand voting as a method of decision making, but I'd think that The Nation should point to the American rag, not a disambiguation page. Jtdirl can get kind of touchy. I try to avoid him. Yes, sometimes that means the most hysterical point of view prevails, but who really cares. Not me. --The Cunctator 06:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:LetitiaJames.jpg

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[edit] Transportation in NYC

Hello Howrealisreal - I notice you're a member of WikiProject New York City. Have a look at the Transportation in New York City sub article. It tells a fascinating story and it's been nominated to be a US Collaboration of the Week after lots of work over the last few weeks. Check it out and if you like it, please vote for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USCOTW We need all the votes we can get! Wv235 04:17, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] smaines ping

The ping mechanism itself is a bit of a style experiment, -SM

  • replied, -SM 12:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis

Just wanted to commend you on your spectacularly rapid repair of the link in my revision. I checked it out and was about to fix it myself just about thirty seconds after you got to it. Also, I agree with your emendation; "(less contested)" came off as a little POV. Kajerm

[edit] D.A.R.E. (to get totally wasted)!

I'm sorry to say that those quotes were from an informal interview, so I can't source them. But if there's any way they could be left in, I'd like to know, because I think the opinion is actually true of many students who've gone through it. I did--did you? Anyway, if there's some way to rephrase it so it stays, please tell me. And if you don't mind--did you go through it?

Lighting up your life (that was only for the benefit of the pun),
WAS 21:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please weigh in on request for semi-protection for Cannabis

The request is meeting resistance, and I am arguing special circumstances. -SM 13:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US Collaboration of the week

You have voted for Transportation in New York City on WP:USCOTW. It was selected to be this week's winner. You are invited to contribute to improve Transportation in New York City in any way you can. Cmadler 13:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Haifa Abramoff Vandal

I did a little googling and I think he might work for an ISP, that would explain the infinite IP addresses. Imagine an ISP getting it's entire business banned from Wikipedia because of some crazy employee.--M4bwav 21:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2003 invasion of Iraq

Hi there, when trying to go over the discussion at 2003 invasion of Iraq I saw it has become a big mess. If I see it correctly there was a conflict between an anon and others and now the page has been blocked. I think the anon had a point that an encyclopedia article about any military conflict should not be written exclusively by three members of one the conflicting parties, in this case Pookster11, Swatjester, and Dawgknot who according to this comment all belong to the US military. I therefore suggest to get more people into the boat, that should take the wind out of the sails of bias allegations. As I saw you also edited on that page, would you be willing to help out? Get-back-world-respect 22:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Upski.gif

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[edit] Mos Def

Regarding my edits to the Mos Def page, they were designed to sort out his filmography a bit. The general standard for Filmographies is actually to do Selected Filmographies, pulling out notable films and television appearances and then linking to IMDb for users who need the full list. The movies removed may have been more significant to the development of Def as an actor or featured him prominently. I deleted the ones that seemed too minor but your assessment may be different and I usually defer to others on what is included, having not seen them all to make the judgement, however, if you have, please correct which ones are removed but I think we should follow most other actors pages and include only the Selected Filmography.

The Awards side of the coin, well, most filmographies don't include the awards; they're often in a different section but I left important nominations in there because it seems miniscule. Adding every Teen Choice Award or nomination by a minor or specified range of interest organization (e.g. Black Reel) would make the filmographies of most actors and actresses both unweildy and misleading; Sandler would have a larger award section than say, Phillip Seymour Hoffman. I don't think that it's too unreasonable to limit awards and especially nominations, especially when several of the deleted awards appear in the body of the article already. This sound ok to you?--TheGrza 02:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to sign it and leave one more thing. It's already a selected filmography on Def's page because it doesn't list his entire movie career. Thanks again, --TheGrza 02:44, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis

On the health effects... page I've noticed a very strong leaning towards pro-majiuana use. Do you refute this statement? You've remained very civil throughout the construction of the page, but can you awknowledge the fact that you are not operating in a completely NPoV manner? 148.177.129.212 10:27, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Voting etiquette

What messages I write to friends of mine on Wikipedia is my business. It is their entitlement to agree or disagree. The people I contact have a history of taking independent stances on things. Sometimes they agree with me. Other times they disagree. Lulu, for example, disagrees with me on that issue and I respect that. We all are open and frank about our views and rarely agree on any one thing, other than to let each other know that there is an issue that the others may have an interest and to explain our own views. It is for each one to agree or disagree, to vote or not to vote. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:03, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Nation

The reason for a straw poll is simply because there needs to be some sort of quantitative reflection of Wikipedia consensus. You may want to look at the history of the conflict to see that most other forms of conflict resolution have been tried and have not helped. The only way, it seems, to prevent an endless revert war is to involve more editors and have them sound off with their feelings on the topic. I know, I am not a big fan of straw poll voting either, but I think it's a step in a more civilized direction. --Howrealisreal 19:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I probably should have realized I was stepping into another wierd wikiconflict, I try to put my foot in my mouth at least once a day. Sorry if I had a negative impact on conflict resolution.--M4bwav 19:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Nation

It's generally not good to ask people to vote on polls, especially if they haven't edited the article before. However, I do intend to vote on the poll regarding The Nation. I have that editing box buried somewhere in the mess of windows I'm looking at. :-)

It was nice to hear from you, and as you said, it would be good to keep in touch. I'm not as active here as I have been in the past because I'm in a pretty busy semester of college (hoping to graduate this semester), but I do try to make sure to check my messages every day, and if you need anything here, I can probably take care of it for you. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

The polls issue has come up in several discussions recently. I think that in the ArbCom elections last month, some people may have gotten rejected for soliciting votes. In a more extreme example, Jason Gastrich emailed everyone in Category:Christian Wikipedians and related categories, asking them to vote (implying to vote keep) on WP:AfD discussions. The sheer amount of the mass emails and user talk messages, combined with a lot of suspected sockpuppetry on his part, led to a pretty nasty RfC against him (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jason Gastrich) that might continue to arbitration. The reason why you asked me was pretty good though. As some have said on Meta, m:Voting is evil, and while I still find straw polls like that one to be useful, discussion's more important. So if you need to go to anybody to ask for input in a discussion, that's certainly welcome (although if they haven't edited the article in question before, they might not know enough about the subject to be of much help). --Idont Havaname (Talk) 22:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review request for New York City

Hello Real - As a member of the WikiProject NYC, you've been selected to participate in the peer review of the New York City article. It has changed substantially since its last FA nomination. With some editing for concision (making the "skyline" section a daughter article on NYC architecture instead of including it in the main article, for instance), this article should be ready for featured status renomination. Your input would be much appreciated. Wv235 16:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "as per myself"

Haha. That was funny. Anyway, I hope you didn't mind me using your argument...but it was perfect. It's just weird to me when a physics major (for example) in austrailia (or wherever) deems a band non-notable when they don't even have any idea about the underground culture in which said band has been a part of. HI FIVE for saving the japanther article BTW. Recess Records is putting out a DVD of theirs sometime soon. It's going to be great. Madangry 01:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

  • cool!! thanx for the info! Madangry 01:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabians of the world, unite! Shed the bonds of prohibitionist incarceration!

New userbox, check it out: Template:User pro-cannabis

StrangerInParadise 15:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Think about what you have just done...

You've just sensored discussion on a talk page on a subject of interest to readers of that page not because it is POV- most of the chatter on that page is POV- but because you are concerned about the appearance of POV. Is that appropriate, and where would it stop? Please restore. StrangerInParadise 23:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I did not accuse you of mindless censorship, I reserve that accusation for those currently trying to ban user boxes. Nor is my post unprofessional. I would point out that, even if you thought the comments off-topic, POV or whatever, you are not in a position to erase the comments of another user, even as an admin. Also, professionals share points of common interest with the small communities which gather on talk pages. This qualifies, especially as the adversity under which the topic labors qualifies as oppression. Finally, I've announced a userbox, this hardly qualifies as mounting a soapbox.

Please restore my comments,

StrangerInParadise 02:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Could you weigh in on the infobox at Cannabis (drug)

I say it is inapropriate and inaccurate, Rory069 insists it should be there, and reverts my attempts to remove it. Discussion is here. Could you please weigh in specifically on removing it. -SM 11:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] June Meetup in New York

Hi, I noticed you on a list of New Yorkers. If you are interested in around we are having a meetup Wikipedians in June. Take a peek at this and please tell any other Wikipedians that you think might be interested in participating about this event. Thanks. Alex756 02:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marijuana Wiki

Hi there,

I saw your contributions over at the Marc Emery article, and thought you might be a good person to talk to about this.

I've started a Marijuana wiki (aka The Sticky Wiki) which I think you might be interested in. I'm hoping you can help me get started with this project. Whereas lots of articles about weed get speedy-deleted on Wikipedia, they would be totally cool over at MarijuanaWiki. But really I want the site to be more of a marijuana community than merely an encyclopedia.

To give you an example, I want to have city guides about where to score, find pot-friendly cafes, marijuana events, and what represents a good price in that city. Etc. (You can check out the featured article: "Toronto" to see what I mean). I also want to have grow diaries and marijuana blogs. All in all, basically more communal than encyclopedic.

I am in need of admins/moderators, and people experienced with MediaWiki to help build policy, categories, and templates, etc. If you'd be interested in helping me with this project, the URL is MarijuanaWiki

Thanks for your time and consideration. Hope to see you there!

-- nsandwich 23:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for the welcome! The Matt Feldman Experience! 17:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

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