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[edit] Tomoe pronunciation

After the torture with the dub... I realized something I had thankfully forgotten (i.e. everything with the dub is thankfully forgotten). That is Tomoe and the dub pronunciation of Tomoe are different, though spelled the same. I think this should have a light mention somewhere. Anyone want to add it? --Hitsuji Kinno 21:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned in Sailor Moon (English versions) already, I think... --Masamage 23:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Umm.. but the page mentions that Hotaru's name didn't change in the dub... so perhaps the sentence should be adjusted? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
It says "The only Sailor Senshi who retains her original name is Hotaru Tomoe, though the final 'e' in her family name is not pronounced."
Anyway, come to think of it I don't think there's anything wrong with its being mentioned here too. X) Goofy Masa. Probably the variations section? --Masamage 16:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Then technically this sentence should be changed (or modified to say *spelling*: "She is the only protagonist whose name was not modified in the English dub." and then the pronunciation difference listed under variations. Is that fair? --Hitsuji Kinno 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good. I think my hesitation to lean too much on the pronunciation difference is that everyone else's surnames are mispronounced too ('MEE-zu-no' vs. 'Mizz-OOH-no', etc.). That's not really a big deal, I guess, but there it is. --Masamage 02:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Powers Section

The descriptions for Death Reborn Revolution and dropping the Silence Glaive contradict themselves. Death Reborn Revolution should probably be edited to describe what it actually does, and that is it inflicts a heavy amount of damage in the manga, and is an attack used before Saturn dropped her glaive in the anime (according to the official film books)-- not that it has the power to destroy the world. mochi 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that too, and agree. I'm not sure I have the details down exactly enough to fix it correctly myself, but it does need to be fixed. --Masamage 22:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure either since that particular power is always being debated. mochi 21:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't dropping the Silence Glaive part of "Death Reborn Revolution"? I'm pretty sure that's how it's mentioned in the manga. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There is no incantation for dropping the glaive. Saturn drops the Silence Glaive about six pages after she says Death Reborn Revolution. She also makes a couple of statements to Pharaoh 90 before actually dropping her glaive during those pages. Also, about three pages prior the dropping, the attack has actually ended via the ribbons vanishing. However, it does appear that some kind of light or energy forms around the blade of the glaive right before she drops it. Perhaps that's worth mentioning? mochi 07:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I dunno. That's interesting, but it's so much detail with so little clear meaning that it seems like fancruft. --Masamage 19:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
>.<;; Fan confusion again. "Silence Glaive Surprise" is not the same as "Death Reborn Revoluion." There is no Death Reborn Revolution anime side, only in the Another Story game. It was never given a name or shown what she actually did to Pharaoh 90, so it can't be *that* attack. Rule is not named, then it is not it. (See Sailor Cosmos anime reference section.) Personally, it sounded like slashing to me, which is very different profile from the manga attack. The pages where the attack happens are 90-96. She is powering up from pages 90-95, and releases on page 96. It creates such great destruction in the form of tornados/typhoon type funnels hat Pluto seals her in the time gates. Then Sailormoon has to power up to Princess Serenity form to restore that section of the city. (this was not done in the anime. They just left it a wreck. =P This is volume 10, Act 33, original manga. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe it's "that jutsu". ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 06:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Dropping the Silence Glaive comes at the end of "Death Reborn Revolution", right? Wouldn't that make the first and last attack on the page in the "Powers" section the same? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

mabye she just cut pharoh 90 to ribbons (pun intended) but not useing an sailor attack Sailor cuteness 20:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright, let's clear this up. Look here (Death Reborn Revolution is an manga only attack) and here (Death Reborn Revolution does not destroy the world)--Freesonwang 00:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hotaru's age

She is 13 in Super, but I was under the impression that in the anime she is much younger when she returns in Stars. Given her height, body shape/size, her voice, her looks, etc. in Stars compared to her in Super, I'd honestly guess that she was about 8 or 9 in Stars. How is it known that she returns to being 13 in the anime? Here are two pictures for comparison: Hotaru in Super x Hotaru in Stars —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.159.111.135 (talk • contribs).

Manga side she was 13 when we first met her in the Infinity arc. Then she was made a baby, so she was about less than one years old, perhaps a few months since she was still weaning and not taking solid food. Then She restored herself to about 5 years old. Then an older version of her met her in Dream. In Dream, she then regained her age of 13 years old. This is incidentally the same age that Chibiusa becomes (mentally). They are later shown as being in the same grade later in the manga running off to school. Anime side it was a bit more complex. She is shown a 13, first with flashbacks of her being about 3 years old, maybe older like 5 when the lab accident happened and her mother died. (Keiko in the manga was older than Souichi... you go boy.. get that older woman.) Then she is destroyed, made a baby, her father takes her and cares for her, Pluto cares for her, she grows quickly to about 5 years old and then takes a bath and grows to an estimated age of maybe 10-11 years old? I think this also happens to coincide with Chibiusa of the time. However, she does not advance beyond that point like her manga counterpart. >.<;; Versions are going to kill me. They are all guesstimates anyhow. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Arg I know... Just trying think about Hotaru (and Setsuna) give me a headache....Lego3400: The Sage of Time 23:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saturn henshin

I added a link to a youtube of Saturns transformation, is this alright? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked the guidelines just to be sure, and the third box down says we can't link to places where other people break copyright. (Most people who know about YouTube will figure it out themselves, though. ^^;;) --Masamage 04:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Really... Darn.... Is is a nice sequance though... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Only in one game, Sega Saturn one: Look here.--Freesonwang 00:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

no one was saying its in the anime ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 16:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That link also says it's not in the Playstation game, which we had been reporting. --Masamage 22:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potential image shuffle

My thought is that if we used the manga-style Saturn image for our lead, then she would at least match up with Sailor Pluto's lead image (as Neptune and Uranus match each other). Possibly it should be zoomed in somewhat to make it larger and stronger? --Masamage 19:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

i think the manga image would look better zoomed in (thats the only reasion i thoght the other one was better :P) ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

That's a good reason. :) It kind of bugged me too, to be honest. If I zoom it it, would you mind my switching it back again? --Masamage 21:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
no i wouldnt mind i liked that pick better i just thourght it needed zooming ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Done. How's it look? --Masamage 21:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

yer it looks way cool now its zoomed :} ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Sweet. --Masamage 21:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Storage

Of all the series, only the musicals have ever included songs specifically about Sailor Saturn.[1][2]

  • "To a Brand New World" — Sailor Saturn's first theme
  • "The World Died Out" — Sailor Saturn's second theme
  • "Miss Dream" — Hotaru's theme while in the form of Miss Dream
  • "Hitosuji no Hikari no Kokoro" — Kon's theme, who possesses Hotaru
  • "Seijaku no Hostie" — Mistress 9's theme
  • "Ii Ko wa Yameta" — Hotaru and Ami duet
  • "Kokoro Tabanete Makin' for the Right" — Outer Senshi theme
  • "Kokoro Tabanete Watchin' on the Sight" — Outer Senshi theme
  • "Broken Mobius" — Outer Senshi Theme
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