Talk:Hong Tran

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-09-25. The result of the discussion was no consensus, and almost no valid arguments.

Contents 1 photo 2 Category cleanup

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[edit] photo

could an editor affiliated with tran get her to GPL a photo of herself for this article?

Justforasecond 05:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

does it have to be GPL'd? It seems like it can be a regular press kit photo with permission for use in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Fair_use and Wikipedia:Publicity_photos. I'll go ahead and email one of the contacts listed on the campaign web site for this. Emcee 07:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I guess you are right, fair use photos will be fine. Justforasecond 14:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

We really need to get a photo of her on this article, considering the primary is going to end this month. Redtitan 02:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I didn't get any answer from the Tran campaign, so didn't add one. I saw Redtitan did, though it doesn't have a copyright tag. Can you get some sort of permission from the Tran campaign and update the photo's tag? Emcee 06:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the article is back to needing a picture of Hong Tran. --Bobblehead 21:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

There may be a usable one in the online version of the elections pamplet. I'll try digging around later for that. Emcee 22:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Unless the photo was taken by a government employee, the photo on the pamphlet is still copyrighted. Since most (if not all) are taken by the campaign's themselves, the government free use does not apply as the state is only using the photo with permission.WP:Copyright#Image_guidelines The fair use also only applies to federal government. --Bobblehead 00:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like they don't even allow use with permission anymore, only GFDL-licensed photos. Someone will have to get ahold of the Tran campaign to request permission. I didn't have success with this earlier, but I imagine they have a bit more free time now after the primary is over. I think it's retarded though that we can't even use a non-free CC license.

[edit] Category cleanup

Just to explain why I removed certain categories:

1. Washington politician stub - This article is no longer a stub.
2. People from Washington - She's already in sub-categories Washington lawyers and politicians.
3. Protests - I'm thinking this one is fairly obvious. She isn't protest.
4. Anti-war activist and Pacifist - According to her campaign website she is opposed to the war in Iraq, but isn't opposed to the operations in Afghanistan, which precludes her from opposing all wars and being a pacifist.

--Bobblehead 18:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Those sound fine to me. Still wondering if you're planning to restore some of your deletions that went against the WP:C&E policy that you later applied to the Cantwell page.

Emcee 19:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean the first sentence of the 2006 election section where it details her opposition to the US involvement in Iraq, free trade agreements, and the Patriot Act? :) Or the original campaign page-like content that detailed her stance on issues that had nothing to do with her notability? The 2006 election section of Maria Cantwell's article was too much like a campaign page and I stated that in my edit summary where I removed the odd line breaks.[1] However, there was ongoing discussion on the article's talk page about the content and general consensus was leaning towards keeping the content, so rather than go against consensus I just cleaned it up. That wasn't the case here where consensus was against including content outside Tran's notability. Tran was a one trick pony in this race and there isn't an encyclopedic need for this article to go outside that trick at this time. If Tran runs again (preferably something in the city, county, or state level) and those issues become important, then they can be included. You'll also notice that I didn't do anything to prevent you from trimming down the campaignish content that was being added to the Cantwell article. I even removed the bulleted list of her stances as it was quite uninformative and a general waste of space in the article.[2] --Bobblehead 03:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You might have removed the bullet points after they had become completely redundant, but how about this one, where you left them all in? [3] (Edit summary: "Reads a little too much like a campaign website, but we'll go with it.") You left not just the bullet points, but all the self-published and unreliable sourcing, which is what you criticized so strongly on the Tran page.

I think your analysis of what was relevant to her notability is pretty biased. I'll leave to the AfD page to provide the some external perspectives on her notability.

You're saying that you left these things in on Cantwell's page because consensus was leaning towards leaving it in; but you took it out on Tran's page because consensus was leaning against it. Putting aside what you view as consensus (apparently 2 vs 1 == consensus), in the end you're basically saying that different standards regarding what material should be included or excluded can apply to two opponents in the same election, as long as there are enough people yelling loud enough for one of the two candidates. That's basically legitimizing POV articles.

I wasn't really expecting that you'd actually contribute to the page, or even restore the damage, so I've gone ahead and done some myself, putting back the issues from the campaign page, as supported by WP:C&E.

Emcee 09:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)