Talk:Hong Konger Front
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[edit] deletion
- Since there appears to be evidence that this party is fake or wishful thinking, i have tagged this article for deletion. Pure inuyasha 21:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
It is up to you to delete this section. The deletion, if happens as you suggest, will not change the fact that the Hong Konger Front not only exists but is growing.
Regan
regan@hkfront.org
- Whatever. I think this is webcruft/spam/non-notable. At least those three newspapers call it nothing more than a "website". I've never heard of it after living in HK for 10 years. I mean, what the hell is this Regan dude going to do, raise an army? 203.218.88.163 16:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] discussion
This organisation does not actually exist, and is unheard. It remains in slogan form among several guys on some newsgroups on the Internet. — Instantnood 04:09, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
By the same token, the activities of the Chinese Communist Party have been well-organized and mostly underground in Hong Kong since the early 1950s, though the CCP stronly strongly denies their political presence in Hong Kong -- but everybody is well aware that the Hong Kong Branch of the Chinese Communist Party does exist in Hong Kong and the director of the Xinhua New Agency was always the secretary-general of the Hong Kong Branch of the CCP before the 1997 Handover
The activities, which are always online and open, held by the Hong Konger Front are not unheard, nor are they denied by the Hong Konger Front themselves or by the HKSAR government
The aforesaid criticism -- Hong Konger Front does not actually exist -- is biased and irrational, and it is just the wishful thinking performed by Beijing and some HKSAR government officials
Why not Instantnood be brave enough to face the existence of the Hong Konger Front and the Hong Konger voice that calls for Hong Kong Independence— 61.62.225.217
In Hong Kong, a survey shows that 30% of Hong Kongers support Hong Kong to be an independent state...— TonySapphire
Ok, I'd have to agree with Insta in this case because if you clearly look at the history of this page the author or modifier used the term "some fucking websites" which clearly demonstrates ignorance because the word "fucking" used in this context has no appearent sense to what this "so-called" political party is about.
Look up the word itself and you will find that it absolutely no direct coherence to this article: Dictionary.com/fucking
2. If this was a true political party, why in the world would they be running it on Geocities.com North America, instead of an independant hosting company. Anyways if you don't believe me here's the WHOis lookup of the site:
www.geocities.com (66.218.77.68)
66.218.64.0 - 66.218.95.255
Yahoo!
701 First Ave
Sunnyvale, CA
US
3. 61.62.225.217, maybe Instantnood is wrong and maybe I'm also wrong, but what evidence do you have in favour of this "so-called" political party"?
I'd say most likely this political party doesn't exist at all based on all this evidence. However, this political party could exist but I think it is a bunch of rubbish. Personally, as I'm from Hong-Kong; I would personally like Hong Kong under China with the capitalist economy system implemented. I'd probably put this article under Speedy Deletion because although it demonstrates some factuality it is most likely a hoax. I don't know what do you think? Mind my english, as it is not perfect --N0N4am0r 20:59, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
((((Ok, I'd have to agree with Insta in this case because if you clearly look at the history of this page the author or modifier used the term "some fucking websites" which clearly demonstrates ignorance because the word "fucking" used in this context has no appearent sense to what this "so-called" political party is about. )))) The above accusation is simply not true, and it is both rude and ridiculous
The website of the Hong Konger Front is going to be hosted by an independent webhosting company by the end of 2005
Besides, in February 2005, the Beijing regime used its officially-controlled New China News Agency (previously Xinhua News Agency) to criticize the Hong Konger Front openly and strongly, and then the pro-Beijing media in Hong Kong followed suit; so, if the Hong Konger Front and its members do not exist, why will the media in China and in Hong Kong have openly condemned Hong Konger Front in February 2005, describing the Hong Konger Front as a separatist organization closely associated with Taiwanese separatists, Tibetan separatists and Eastern Turkistan separatists?
The Hong Konger Front is one of the cosponsors of the protest march held by the International Tibet Independence Movement (ITIM) from July 31 to August 13, 2005; if the Hong Konger Front does not exist, why did the ITIM invite the Hong Konger Front to be one of its cosponsor?
Dear Instantnood,
Now, the Hong Konger Front is hosted by a web hosting company, using an independent domain name, (the URL: http://www.hkfront.org ), and many of our members have disclosed their Hong Konger Front member identity as shown on a list of contact persons and consultants posted on the Join us web page of the Chinese version of the Hong Konger Front website; so, what else can you be critical of about the Hong Konger Front now? The Hong Kong communists (under the Chinese Communist Party) never disclose their identity and their Party organization in Hong Kong, nor do they have a website, not to mention that they are willing to admit that they are communists; why not you be critical of them and argue that they do not exist?
Regan
regan@hkfront.org
Dear N0N4am0r,
As shown by the bias rhetoric you used and the autocratic opinion you made herein, I am sure that plenty of democratic people in Hong Kong show no respect for you, and Hong Kong people certainly dislike you, nor do Hong Kong people want to talk to you; since you love politics so much and you ignore democracy and uphold the autocratic Chinese communist regime, I wonder whether you are qualified to work as a wikipedia editor who are supposed to be unbiased, impartial, open-minded and sort of academic
Regan
regan@hkfront.org
- This discussion seems to me to be about whether Hong Kong should be independent or not - that is not the purpose of Wikipedia. I say the article on the Hong Konger Front should remain, because if there is an independence movement in Hong Kong that is encyclopedic. I am not saying whether I agree or disagree with any such movement, since that would be irrelevant. When editing an encyclopedia the need is to be encyclopedic and objective. Perhaps the easiest way would be for an administrator to add a tag at the front of the article along the lines that this may be subjective. It is however worthy of a place in Wikipedia. No doubt pro-China Hong Kongers will disagree with me, but before any disagrees with me, please apply an objective test. Rhyddfrydol 23:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Name correction Page Move
The headings above and in the portal page (Hong Kong Front, and Hong Kong Frontline) are inaccurate; hopefully, the wikipedia editors will make the corrections as soon as possible; the correct title of this political group is called Hong Konger Front (its old name is Hong Konger Frontline, but the term Frontline was found to be a bad English usage, thus it is replaced by the term Front, as of September 2005) -- 220.132.182.132 (Orginally posted in main article -- KTC 01:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC))
- I'm going to move the page based on the name on its website. -- KTC 01:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, seeing the Hong Konger Front page had been made to redirect here, I can't move it as non-admin. I'm going to list it for an admin to do it. -- KTC 01:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
