Talk:Honda Odyssey

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I found the Odyssey article much too US-focused, so I have made major revisions. Since 1999, there have actually been 2 Honda Odysseys made: One, built in North America, is for the US/Canadian market, while the other, built in Japan, is for the rest of the world (the 1st generation Odyssey being the same worldwide). Before my revisions, the article was almost entirely based on the US/Canadian market Odyssey. I decided to make the introductory paragraph of the 2nd and 3rd generation Odyssey refer to the worldwide version (the Japanese-built model, after all, Honda is Japanese), and not the US-version. The US-version information is still retained, though. I hope this doesn't decrease the readability of the page Davez621 14:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I must confess, I think this is a mistake, particularly for the English version of Wikipedia. I came across this article today as part of my general research on Minivans. I was surprised to see things like the metion of a 4cylinder engine in the 3rd generation Odyssey. There is no 4 cylinder engine in the North American Odyssey, only the 3.5L V6. As I understand, the Japan Odyssey is a much different vehicle from the North American version, so showing the 4cylinder listing with the North American image is confusing at best.

If we are going to have this article cover both the North American and "World" version of the Odyssey, then the two really need to have distince sections, particularly after their development paths diverge. Ultimate ed 12:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 confusing layout 2 Narrative/Point of View 3 Ad copy- "exciting", newer, bigger, better, "another first..." 4 Discontinued

[edit] confusing layout

The layout of this article with respect to the different nationalities of the three generations is confusing. I own a second generation US market 2001 Odyssey. The article appears to state that in this generation the automatic column shifter has been moved to a central position on the dash. In the 2001 US market van the shifter is actually on the column, not the dash. It took several readings of the article to understand that the writer was referring to non-US market Odysseys having the shifter on the dash.

This article really needs subheadings under each generation to distinguish when they are referring to US vs. the rest of the world versions

While there's nothing wrong with discussing non-US market versions first, I think a bit more clarity between market versions is warranted. Otherwise, this is a good piece. I especially like the discussion of PAX tires!

I agree. I've gone ahead and made a rough attempt to separate the JDM and North American version into two different sections. I know very little about the JDM version, so I've bascially just cut and pasted the paragraphs as they were written. Hopefully, someone can add some pictures of the later generation JDM versions.

Your new layout differentiating the North American vs JDM versions looks good. Thanks for doing that.

[edit] Narrative/Point of View

I find the Second and Third gen sections of the US market to be very opinionate, i.e. "the vehicle will continue to make profits for both the manufacturer and dealer", and also when discussing certain problems. Bok269 21:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Both the "rake in profits" quote and the PAX tires section read like someone with an axe to grind. --Dgibbons 06:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - the last couple of sentences of both the 2nd and 3rd generation North American version either need to be rewritten more neutraly, or, at the very least, need some external sources to back up the claims. Ultimate ed 03:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it to reflect initial over-sticker charges and supply catching up.--matador300 20:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the fix, the criticism below about the article reading like "ad copy" is almost completely overshadowed by the PAX tires & transmission complaints, which really read like a disgruntled owner posting in usenet. I'd like to see actual stats on each issue rather than opinion. Djeaux 20:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

regarding the 'rake in profits'; that totally has to go -- also it refers to the vehicle in the curious/awkward proper name fashion that seems to only appears in automotive commercials and never in actual human-human speech (maybe i'm too opinionated on that? -- i mean "Nevertheless, Odyssey will blahblah" as opposed to "Nevertheless, the Odyssey will blahblah"). perhaps if we can get ahold of sales figures to temper that marketing poo into a statement of fact?. also, the 'tax and destination charges' thing... tax is entirely subjective to the locale in which the vehicle is purchased, and there may be no "destination charges" at all. at best, it's like reading a car review; at worst it's like reading a brochure. Jrrs 06:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The entire last paragraph of the Third Generation American edition needs to be re-written. The reading of it a little cluttered, and overall poorly written. The neutrality of it is no doubt in question. It's blatantly obvious that someone, who perhaps had a few too many problems with their Odyssey, wrote it and decided to specifically focus in the downsides of the vehicle. User:inogenius

Appreciate the writing about transmissions and PAX. It rings true. Never hear about that from dealer or slick advertisements. What an eye opener.

[edit] Ad copy- "exciting", newer, bigger, better, "another first..."

Is this an encyclopedia or an advertising vehicle for the automotive industry?

Every adjective especially superlatives in these product articles should be looked at with suspicion and tossed if it is not essential to the article.

I do think these articles should be in wikipedia though because I happen to be looking for one and I do want a factual presentation of what these things are and what the differences are.

Corporate advertising folks reading this- I know the temptation and pressure is great, but it is a level playing field. IMHO- I'd suggest you back off or there will be a backlash against your products. We want the information but in an encyclopedic format, minus the spin. -Mak Thorpe 17:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discontinued

I read that the Odyssey is being discontinued for 2007. I believe it was in Car & Driver Magazine.

There is a 2007 model of odyssey and honda would be foolish to discontinue the Odyssey

Please sign your posts. I can say that in Australia in 2007 Honda stopped selling the V6 version, increased the price of the standard model (by $AUD1300) and decreased the price of the luxury (by about $AUD1000). The Odyssey definitely isn't being discontinued - but it will continue to be tweaked like all cars. --DreamsReign 05:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)