Talk:Honda Accord

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is supported by Wikipedia Project Automobiles, a collective approach to creating a comprehensive guide to the world of Automobiles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you are encouraged to visit the project page, where you can contribute to the discussion.

Contents

[edit] pricing info

i think all wikipedia car entries should include price range of the car. and another wiki that have a comparison table of prices

[edit] Euro R

This article needs more information on the Accord Euro R and Torneo Euro R (JDM)

See the below discussion on including information on models unavaliable in the US. Perhaps a note that other models were avaliable in other countries would be appropriate if descrete; however, keeping this information in its respective country will keep down model confusion.

[edit] Insight

My english isn't too good, and I don't have enough insight in the structure of the article, but shouldn't a small paragraph be added about the famous cog commercial? Cog (television commercial)

It seems we are keeping the US and UK pages sepperate. Perhaps this would be appropriate for the UK Honda page, as this commercial never aired in the United States.

[edit] Wagon Variant

I think it'd be nice to see some mention of the Honda Accord wagon. Not sure of the exact years, but I believe in the USA the Accord wagon ran from 1991 to 1997. Smiller933 18:43, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

My name is Christian and I'm from Germany. I'm wirting the German articles for wikipedia.de about the cars of Honda (I began last month because the articles are ... sparse). So please excuse me, if my English is not the best.
You are right. The Wagon ran in the US only from 1991 to 1997. But it was sold in other countries before 1991 and after 1997.
The first Wagon appeared in 1985 in Japan. The car based on the 3rd generation (Type CA, 1985-1989) but wasn't available in Northern America. It was called Wagon and only in Europe Aero Deck (like all others too, except the 7th Generation - it's name is Wagon worldwide and Tourer in Europe). Then there was a brake of two years without a Wagon.
The 4th Generation: this was the first Wagon in the US like you mentioned. It was the Type CB in 1991. It was designed and produced in California and exported worldwide (built from 1991-1994). Also it was named Aero Deck in Europe, Wagon in the other coutries.
The 5th Generation of the Accord had also an Wagon (Type CE, 1994-1997). Also prodced in the US and exported worldwide. In Europe called Aero Deck again.
The 6th Generations Wagon appeared only in Japan - this car was awesome (my favorite one). Built from 1997-2002, Type CF/CH/CL. Honda decided with the change of the generations in 1997, that every region becomes their own car, based on the same platform. So at that time Japan, US and Europe got their own Accord Sedan but only Japan had the Wagon. On the other side the Coupe was produced again in the US and was offered worldwide (except Japan).
The current Wagon (7th generation, Type CM/CN) appeared only in Japan and Europe and based on the Japanese Accord sedan (which was offered as Acura TSX in Northern America). But: the US and Canada have the Accord Coupe which isn't available in Europe and Japan. That's a pitty. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.187.41.17 (talk) 08:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 2000 LX photo

I have another photo of my Accord in Thai wikipedia. But it's 2000 LX model. If this article will say about the previous model, it might be used here.


[edit] Help wanted

Some of these paragraphs need help:

  • I am not sure about the "enthusiast" car mentioned; it does not really make sense as written.
  • no bullets between 1998 and 2003
  • Bullet points from 2003 onwards are confusing.
  • It would be great if this page had a table showing the evolution of the models like on the Acura page.

laurap414 00:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1986-1997... adding more soon!

I will be completing 1998-2006 very soon. I spent quite a few hours adding the content for 1986-1997.



Well yes it is seperate , altho i do think that the pages should have had their diffrent sections that also would coincide with the proper ones. As for instance the 94-97 USDM Honda Accord was received in Japan and other asian markets almost 2 years ahead of the modified for USA model one. The Later Honda Accord which was introduced as a 96 in most parts (not america) would later come to the US market as the Acura TL , for this reason the pages should be seperate and the Acura TL second gen conincides with the Honda Accord and its sub models , the Type R , Euro R SiR-T Turneo (own one). The main accord page is and can be very confusing with mis-leading facts. As for the Accords after the 97 model was stopped were based on the Honda Inspire Model that was a seeminglly LUX alternative to the sportier Accord.

Lots more info , not enough time today , Kongkit : Baorice@yahoo.com

[edit] US/WORLDWIDE VERSIONS

The note at the top of the page that different versions existed after 2003 is NOT true.

The pre-2003 model available in the UK and Europe is very DIFFERENT to the US version.

I don't know if the US model has always been different to the European one, but it seems a pretty poor mistake - as well as badly written ("then" instead of "than") - to place so prominently.

If there IS a relevant point to be made here, please will someone who knows what they're talking about edit it accordigly? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.25.9.234 (talk • contribs) 14 May 2006.

As a mergist, I would be content if there were a single Honda Accord article which accurately described the differences between regional models in each generation (whether it be sorted by generation, then region, or region then generation could be decided later). If we truly decide to split the article out by region, then this page should become merely a disambiguation page. Anyway, I put this article up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles as needing attention. --Vossanova o< 18:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not too sure about your suggestion, to be honest. If we were to include sufficient information on the European and Japanese Accords, it could make the article a bit too big or make it hard to read, like with the Toyota Corolla article right now, or with the old Chrysler minivans article. I suggest we make this page a disambiguation page, and make pages for the American, European, and Japanese Accords that will go from 1976 to the present day.--ApolloBoy 06:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe that there is not enough difference between the models until the 7th generation appeared. It is better to just include each of the versions with their respective differences. Most of the time it is just the engines and some cosmetic changes (except for the 7th generation which appears to be a different car). --Cirilobeto 06:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
You'd be surprised how many differences existed - for example: The Second Generation Accord in Japan from 1981 had Ride Height Control, a moon roof, aerodynamic headlights, rear view mirrors on the fenders, no side marker lights in the back, and a very different emission control system. I do, however, agree with keeping pages sepperate. I have no problem going to Wiki Japan, UK, Germany, etc... Nicholas SL Smith
People, please DO sign your posts! Anyway, this article is an article about the Honda Accord in general, and not just USDM Honda Accords. IMHO, it should discuss the model in general, and perhaps link to "generation" articles like in the case of many other cars (see Mercedes models for example). As concerns second-gen Accord, the "differences" are just either a longer equipment list or things that are quite common when comparing JDM/USDM/EUDM etc. models. Anyway, I believe the article should just explain the usage of the Accord nameplate all over the world and link to individual models, including e.g. the Honda Ascot Innova which served as the European Accord in mid-90s. Anyway, almost all Honda articles merit a complete rewrite, they are hopeless and often split in a weird way. Bravada, talk - 22:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
If the Euro Accord is included in this article, where does that leave the Acura TSX, which is identical to that model but not to the US model? It would leave the main article less cluttered to link to the Euro Accord / Acura TSX page, and the TSX information would need to be somewhere anyway. IFCAR 00:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Again, this article should outline the history of the nameplate over the years, with links to articles on particular models/generations. So, for the 7th generation it should link to the current USDM Accord/Inspire and the "world Accord"/TSX. But this requires a ground-up reform of all Honda articles, which is not likely to come soon... :( Bravada, talk - 02:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I disagree. In a link to the lower left, Wikipedia automatically maintains links to like aricles in different countries. Nothing prevents a user from using or modifying a page from a different country; if a user requires information from another country, he or she may simply follow one of these links. A complete knowledge base does not exist in this country regarding all models released across the globe. Is an Accord really an Accord to an American researcher if it is released in a different country on a different year with a different name and a different configuration, but same basic chassis? Perhaps a completely separate page for non-USDM automobiles would better serve the research community. A page which detailed every Accord model sold in every country, ever would, pragmatically, be prohibitive to maintain. An article, however, serving as an authority for non-USDM Accords, could be started and maintained in English, better serving English speaking researchers. I am more than willing to give this a try, and will even provide images and content for the first two generations of JDM Accords (see above comment by ApolloBoy, on 20 June 2006) . What do you all think? Nicholas SL Smith, talk - 10 November 2006
Actually, the links on the left are to articles in different languages. For example, you will not see separate links for US and UK, while obviously the Accord articles would be different for the two countries. This article is intended to describe the "Honda Accord" for speakers of the English language. Thus, it should include all information relevant to the automobile called "Honda Accord" world-wide. I'm sure an article like "Wolf" talks about both European wolves and American ones (disclaimer: I haven't actually checked this particular example). The question is whether all this information would make the article too big, in which case we should be deciding how to split it, e.g. by generation or by geographic region. Both approaches have pros and cons. Rlobkovsky 21:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
No need for sarcasm. I was under the impression, however, that the links on the side were for countries, not languages. If the links on the side were for languages only, articles would mirror each other, translated in their respective languages. Each article is unique because of its country of origin, and contains information not readily available in other countries (thus the power of this world international information community). I suppose I propose either separating each generation into separate US and foreign sections, or dividing the Accord article into a domestic and a foreign article. I understand that research in foreign languages can be cumbersome; and so, I don’t expect use to relegate foreign model information to other countries as I previously mentioned. I do, however, believe that it is important to separate this information to create an easily understandable and accurate historical resource. An example of how accuracy is lost in this page is the Second Generation section. Foreign models in the second generation had different release dates. In Germany, for example, the second generation Accord was introduced in 1981 (here is was 1982). The second series of the second generation was released in September of 1983 (1984 here). If we make this page out to be a resource for all countries of distribution, this information will be muddled and confused, Nslsmith - 4 March 2007
The US - Japan - Europe model of the Accord differs since 1997. My name is CWeitzer on wikipedia.de and I'm writing the Honda articles there. I had also the decission between only European Accords or the whole worlds Accord. I selected the whole width of the Accord and other models. Doesn't matter, if the cars are offered in Germany (Europe) or not. I'd like to show the German readers the varieties / flexibility of Honda as a product for the people . I want to make up their minds, to show them, that Honda cares about the needs of their costumers worldwide. Honda is not just a mass product in my view of sight but a product adapted to the needs of their costumers. That makes the different to the other producers ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.187.41.17 (talk) 09:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC).
Please sign your opinions -- I can see your concern, I am not suggesting any sort of conspiracy to make Honda out to be an immoral company or to eliminate mention of non-US Accords; I simply wish to ensure clarity in this article. European/JDM/US models have differed since the onset of Accord production (long before 1997) A separate, cross referenced article or a unified but very well segmented article will achieve this. Let us steer clear of any intentions to portray the Honda Motor Company or the creation of the Accord as a humanitarian movement; this is not the "People's Car", or "Volks Wagon" in German (that is another company formed on another premse, Hodna was formed by Soichiro right after WWII to sell motorized bicycles). The HMC is a corporation which makes motor vehicles and arguably high quality engines, nothing more. Any discussion relating to the ethics of this company or model should be left to a philosophical or sociological article. This article is meant to record information about the Honda Accord only. Nicholas SL Smith 04:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accord vs. Camry

I removed this sentence from the 2nd gen section, and didn't see a better place to put it in the current structure: "Since 1997, its main rival, the Toyota Camry, has held the title of the best-selling car in America, with the exception of the year 2001."

Agreement - better for both pages, this page is not about ths Camry. Nicholas SL Smith

Fubaz 23:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Gen.

Will the 2007 model year mark gen 8 for the Accord? Since a new one comes every 3-4 years.

Actually, with the 6th generation, Honda started a lifespan of 5 years between each accord. Before that, it was 4 years. So there will be a new Accord in the year 2008. --Cirilobeto 06:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you.

[edit] Similar cars

Allright, enough of the games. We all need to agree on a list here once and for all.

Bull-Doser wrote: "(Removed Taurus, because of its discontinuation.)" What rule says that a similar car must be currently in production? Must discontinued cars be compared to cars currently in production too? --Vossanova o< 12:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe that looking at the history of the Accord, how it was created as a "bigger variant" of a compact car and evolved into a large family car by European standards and recently a full-fledged mid-size car by American standards, it resembles the Mitsubishi Galant the most. I'd say a European car that's somewhat similar is Volkswagen Passat, actually created around the same time. American cars followed quite a different development path, with the Malibu nameplate "downsizing" (after quite a long gap) from an old-school large cruiser to a more moderately-sized car in the last decade. The Taurus has always been bigger than the Accord, only recently has the US Accord become comparable in size. So, I am for Galant and Passat in the "similar" section. Bravada, talk - 14:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biased Uncited POV in Fourth Generation section

"To the cheers of many, the Accord loses the automatic shoulder belts used in 1990-1991."

Where's that information come from? I have a 1990 Accord and I like the automatic shoulder seatbelt. Even though what I like has nothing to do with the article, the 'To the cheers of many,' does not belong in that sentence.

[edit] Jason Wong's '89 SEI

Can anyone prove that this '89 SEI owned by Jason Wong with over 400,000 miles on it exists in the 'Honda museum'? I tried a search on the internet, out of curiosity to see if it was more beat up than my '86 LX. I found nothing even similar to the car. The closest I have found is the '86 in my yard. It simply bugs me. I've never been motivated to question any of wikipedia's content before, so excuse my lack of professionalism, I just simply cannot find proof of the cars existence. Lifeissomething 18:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

If no citations exist, this information should be removed. I suspect it is a vanity entry.Nicholas SL Smith 20:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Common Problems Section

I take issue with the Common Problems portion of the Accord article. The Accord article is not meant to be a discussion board for gripes of car owners. I understand that legitimate problems may exist, such as Intel's P60 FPU Error; but, the research community will be served better if we include problems that we know affect a significant portion of a production run. If we allow everyone who bas a bad brake booster, alternator, or carburetor to post that these cars, in general, have this problem, this article will be diluted. Keep in mind that, after twenty or thirty years, any car will have almost every problem. I propose removing this section, and requiring that legitimate problems be added to respective model year sections. Let us leave one-off gripes to automobile forums. Nicholas SL Smith 20:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Put it back

I remember the common problem section being there and it is important that common defects in certain generations be mentioned. For example, the transmission in the 6th generation Accord IS a common problem to the point where Honda of America offers free servicing and good-will service past warranty. The article is not a gripe for car owners and the common problems can be footnoted by actual TSB's from Honda. Just as a side note, I am an owner of the 6th gen Accord but have personally had no failures such as this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.117.131.2 (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

The problem is that that piece of information should be quoted and verifiable. If you find a website (not an owners' forum) with that explained, you could add that. But you can't say "that car is very reliable, but this one isn't" without proving it. -- NaBUru38 02:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It's fairly simple, actually. If you find a TSB stating that there are reliability concerns, that is a good reference in my book. --Sable232 02:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I absolutely agree, but I don't believe problems should be sepperated from the sub article about the model in question. Any information reguarding each model should be in the model article, with footnotes to sourses. Nicholas SL Smith 02:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eighth gen. image needs to be replaced

Someone uploaded an image of the 2008 Accord coupe, however someone needs to replace it whenever possible, as infobox images are to be from the front end and the images should not feature people.Hondasaregood 15:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge suggestion

I noticed the {{Globalize}} template on the page, so I'm proposing that Honda Accord (European) be merged to represent a worldwide veiw on the subject.Hondasaregood 04:07, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

How shall we go about assembeling this information? Shall we segment this article into European/JDM/American sections? I'm concerned about ambiguity about model year sepperations, trim levels, etc... and so, am aganst complete integration of models. Please see <US/WORLDWIDE VERSIONS> above Nicholas SL Smith 04:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The stuff about the 2003 to present Euro Accord is already covered in the article. Just add the stuff about The different naming conventions and body styles.Hondasaregood 14:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Options

[[I just want to say that I love my 96 accord. But I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the 96 accord was offered with keyless entry]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.70.192.153 (talk) 01:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

The '96 Accord wasn't offered with keyless entry.[1]HondasareGOOD (talk) 14:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../h/o/n/Talk%7EHonda_Accord_3653.html"