Talk:Home Improvement
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Was Wilson's face really exposed in the final episode? If I remember correctly, he showed it after the show while bowing in front of the audience. – Torsten Bronger 00:17, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have a difficult time believing that Home Improvement was set in Detroit. --24.200.35.253 00:41, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] It was set in Detroit
There are several indications it was set in Detroit.
The biggest indication is in the episode "The Look", where Tim buys season tickets for the Detroit Pistons.
On a side note, there is no mention of "The Man's" line of rooms from ToolTime. Usually tended to be one of the funnier things in an episode.
Modor Another indication is the mention of several other cities in Michigan; for example; the episode when Tim gets lost in a blizzard on the way to a wedding. This episode mention the city "North Adams"; which is a city off US 12, near Brooklyn, Michigan. Additionally, a reference is made that Toledo, Ohio is a short drive in the episode where Tim's old shop teacher appears.
- Everything sports related on the show was about Detroit teams: Detroit Pistons, Detroit Lions, Detroit Red Wings. It snows in the winter. Tim once made a quick trip to Canada in an afternoon. I'm sure it was directly mentioned several times they are in Detroit (like the final episode where they considered moving away). I would never believe anyone who says this did not take place in Detroit.--Will2k 16:35, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
Tomohuynh
- One episode has Tim and Al flying home on a plane when the pilot mentions they are close to landing in Detroit Metro airport. Also in the episode, Tim asks if they should rather drive to Detroit.
Wiki
- The show was set in Detroit... yet the show was actually filmed in Burbank, California. It was mentioned that the show was in Detroit. One episode that comes to mind is episode #1.16 "Jill's Birthday," where Jill says "That'll be a cold day in... Detroit."
- Actually, it seems like they live in a suberb of Detroit. Suburbs are usually considered part of a city(so someone in a suberb of Los Angeles would say they are from Los Angeles). TJ Spyke 18:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clean Up Tag Removal?
Anyone else feel that this tag can be removed? Phasedice 22:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- No, the article is still pretty unorganized and doesn't follow a very logical sequence. --DalkaenT/C 23:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Years Home Improvement took place
While viewing the date Home Improvement aired, my brother, a big fan, noticed that the date this website has as the start of Home Improvement (September 1,1991) varies from another web site (www.http://www.morepower.com/homeimpr.html) which has the beginning date as September 17,1991. The ending dates, however, are the same.
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- The actual date IS in fact September 17... September 1 is wrong of course. May 25 1999 is the finale airing of the show. 65.7.58.44 04:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Subliminal message
Somebody should add a line about the (quite unknown) subliminal message showing in each episodes intro when Heidi/Debbe Dunning is introduced. For a few frames you can clearly see a "Watch Tool Time" screen for a split second. If you have an episode on your PC you can check it yourself with frame-to-frame skipping. Story/Proof here (in German): [1] 87.193.15.109 00:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mixed up Intro
Anyone else feel the intro is sort of mixed up?
"Home Improvement was an American television sitcom starring actor/comedian Tim Allen, and loosely based on his stand-up comedy routine that ran on ABC for eight seasons from September 1991 to May 1999."
doesn't that imply that his stand-up comedy ran for eight seasons?
--Pongles 21:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yea, it does sound like that.Peter Tangney 23:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Great US TV on UK DVD Retreat!
- "Buena Vista will no longer release the show in Region 2 or 4 due to poor sales. Buena Vista also discontinued The Golden Girls in those regions, this is considered a part of The Great US TV on UK DVD Retreat."
You know who's responsible for this, don't you? The government! 138.69.160.1 16:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Issues
The article has two issues I noticed - the tenses flipflop throughout the article from past to present. Since the show is wrapped, I suggest any present tenses be changed to past tense.
Secondly, the heading 'history' is really very little to do with history - it's more of a longer plot synopsis. I suggest it be reworded or removed. In fact, I think I'm going to do that now - If anyone has a problem with it, feel free to respond. TheHYPO 12:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- The article could do with a bit of condensation IMO, as some of it is basically written twice. I reckon we could drop some of the running gags (some of them aren't even "gags" let alone running ones), or move them somewhere else. Some parts of this article jumps about from section to section, it doesn't seem to "flow" properly. Hmm, I'll think about that. Some of the premise content would be better elsewhere on the page though. NKTP 23:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] cleanup
I did a biug cleanup on teh article, removing dead weight sections, re arranging some sections, adn trimming off the useless gab in teh sections. I will add references later. Karrmann 20:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- What did you say? Anthony Rupert 15:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Show Cancellation
The article says that, per a 1999 Time Magazine story, Jonathan Taylor Thomas's departure cost the show 3 million viewers "which was probably a big factor in its subsequent cancellation." Is this "big factor" per Time or a personal opinion? According the the E! Hollywood Story piece on Home Improvement, the leads felt the show had become stale, and Tim Allen announced in January 1999 that he would not renew his contract for a ninth season, despite being offered twice what he was currently getting ($1.25 million per episode). It would appear, therefore, that the show ended while it was still in the Top Ten in US ratings, and was not "cancelled" by the network. Signinstranger 16:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- I don't believe the show was "cancelled" by ABC, more rather Tim Allen had decided that the show had run its course and therefore there wouldn't be a 9th season. Mind you Jonathan Taylor-Thomas leaving the show at the beginning of the 8th season may well have contributed to this decision, as a lot of people feel the show fell apart after he left. NKTP 22:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Taylor family
In this section, apparently the birthdates are listed for the characters rather than for the actors that play them, but it's written in such a fashion that it causes for confusion. Anyone agree? Anthony Rupert 14:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Although Jonathan Taylor Thomas is older than Zach Ty Bryan, his Randy character is younger than Brad, with Brad being born in 1981, and Randy being born "13 months" later, as Randy himself said, which would be 1982. There was also a transition graphic in one episode that showed a tombstone that said "Randy Taylor, 1982-1994." It would be best to just give the charcters' birthdates, not the actors'.
Giving Jill's birthdate would be more difficult, since it changes during the show. In one episode, she goes to her 20th high school reunion; the class of 1973, meaning she would be born in 1954 or 1955. Later on, however, her birtdate changes to 1956. (131.183.101.3 19:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC))
- I've just moved the D.O.B's along a bit to make it a lot more clearer that the dates are the birthdays/months of the characters in Home Improvement, not the actors. The transition mentioned above can be seen in Season 3, its the "Reality Bytes" episode. You can't miss it. NKTP 21:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
I added the cleanup tag because there are several dead links, some poorly written sections, some mixed up spelling, some bad information. Mister.Manticore 17:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] is vs. was
This is a comment about recent edits to this article. Many pages say was, because many unexperienced editors keep changing it to was. That doesn't make it correct. see also Talk:The O.C.#Is not Was. The show is a "work" and the work still exists (ergo, use present tense "the show is a sitcom"). A broadcast run is an EVENT that has past (ergo, use past tense "was originally broadcasted by Fox from date to date" --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 21:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
