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[edit] Dubbing in Germany
"The show later became popular in Germany. In response to both sensitivities over Nazism and German laws which prohibit Nazi symbolism, when German characters raised their arms and said "Heil Hitler" in the original version, the dubbed German version would replace that line with something ridiculous, such as "The wheat grows this high"."
this is somewhat misleading. Maybe there are different dubbings, but the Nazis are Nazis and evil in the german version. German law indeed prohibits Nazi symbolism, but with the exception of educational and scientific uses and of art. As this series shows the Nazis as bad, there is no problem with german laws.
"The show is currently running in Germany, with a newly dubbed soundtrack without such bowdlerism."
This is not true. Although it is correct that the series was newly dubbed (the first dub was only made for 34 episodes), the new dub also features such jokes avoiding most appearences of "Heil Hitler" to make it more funny. The German dub is even more focused on humour than the original version so plenty of jokes were added to the dialogue.
[edit] Stalag 17
"Many have also seen the interaction between the prisoners as being at least somewhat inspired by the black comedy motion picture about a World War II German POW camp, Stalag 17. This movie even had a Sergeant Schultz, who appeared genial but was actually in league with the traitor among the prisoners."
I also noticed this one afternoon when Stalag 17 was on television, but according to one or more books which I can't remember the title of, this is merely a coincidence.
[edit] Leon Askin
Leon Askin lived directly across the street from the playground of my grammar school. Despite the warm Southern California weather, he used to wear a buttoned-up trenchcoat as he strolled up and down the street walking a formidable-looking German Shepard. We recognized him through the fence--it was less than ten years after the show's run had ended, so he looked substantially the same--and frequently waved to him, shouting, "Hey! General Burkhalter!" One day--so help me, this is true--he treated us to a full-blown Nazi salute! Unbelievable, considering his past. The guy had either fully come to terms with everything or gone 'round the bend, I don't know which.
Three years ago, I stumbled upon Askin's website, and on it he recalled his amusement at watching traffic screech to a halt! In any event, Askin was a remarkable fellow. After fleeing Austria in 1940, just in the nick of time, he returned to his native Vienna when already in his nineties, some fifty years later. Some may conclude that he was a self-hating Jew, but I prefer to look at it the oppposite way: he refused to allow the Nazis to define him and rob him of the German cultural affinity that he obviously cherished. --Bamjd3d
[edit] Yay
http://www.traces.org/buseumnarrativetexts.html says that it was not unthinkable for the Nazis to house black and white POWs together. So that means I can delete a large chunk of the text messing up this article. If you have otherwise information that it *never* happened, post it back here. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sgt Schultz activites
Lets not forget Sgt Schultz "Daily" actives!!:
- Flirting with waitress and boasting about being a bigshot
- Drinking beer and Klink's wine
- Stealing and smoking Klink's cigars {also stealing and eating Klink's marmalaid}
- Wishing Klink was at the Russian Front
- Pretending to Lose his rifle so he wouldn't fire it in a gunfight
- Giving his rifle to a prisioner
- Firing his rifle widely in the air in panic and not hitting anything
In short Sgt Schultz is the "Cowardly Lion" without courage!!
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- Which is fine for an article about Schultz, but not an article about the series. We unfortunately can't include every humourous moment we remember from the series (there were lots, I agree!) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:24, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kalinke
The source is the german wiki page for hogans heroes. And because I am a kraut and living in germany, I saw it every day on tv, and I heard every day, that Klink says "Kalinke" and "my little bitch" (meine kleine Schlampe) and all that. My ears are in perfect condition. And Kalinke is a typical german name, while Kalinka is a russian name. Why should a german cleaning woman have a russian name??? And besides, the german google gives 714 to 10 for Kalinke.
- I'll assume that you're probably right on Kalinke/Kalinka, I'm not really knowledgable on German/Russian names at all :) But you're still going to need to source something official (Wiki doesn't count as a source) if you want the bitch/naked stuff in there. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Characters
The section Characters features only Klink, Schultz and “other Germans.” Shouldn’t it also mention Hogan at least, and “other prisoners”? — Michael J 11:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pilot Rerun
The article states "The series pilot was produced in black-and-white, and while it was run as the series pilot, it never ran in reruns ....".
Yes, it did run in re-runs. I remember seeing it several times, on various stations. 147.240.236.9 21:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Characters Reply
This is one of the reasons why the Wiki Talk Page is so valuable; I did not notice that there was no detailed mentioning of the Western Allies characters (Hogan, LeBeau, Newkirk, Carter, Kinch). A big "thank you" to Michael J for mentioning this. So, I have taken the liberty of expanding this article to discuss each one of them. You are welcome. User:ProfessorPaul 05:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] This peice doesn't fit
In another of Pitlik's guest roles, he plays a German spy pretending to be a new American POW. He learns the truth about Hogan's operations, but Hogan feeds him false information and tricks him into making a fool of himself. The spy is thus discredited and dismissed. Pitlik makes several appearances on the series over the years, each time as a different character.
This seemed like extraneous information where it was in the article.-Giant89 19:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
This segment really doesn't fit: I removed the sentence "Lately, he has hit fame with MSW. He is currently the one and only MSW Champion and has been since MSW started." as it makes no sense, especially in the context of where it was. Who is 'he'? What is 'MSW'? And what does this have to do with Hogan's Heroes? I can only guess that this segment was intended for another article. --Random guy 23:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] William Christopher
I'm curious in the part(s) William Christopher played in the series. He appears in the place of Larry Hovis in the theme song/lead-in in some of the episodes. IMDB shows him as appearing in 4 episodes but he appears as a different character in each episode. Did he appear in the pilot? Was he supposed to be a regular character? Was he intended to replace Larry Hovis at one point? I haven't been able to find any more information about this. --Stlbud 04:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Christopher was only a guest star on the series who appeared in several episodes, one of which, if I recall correctly, had him playing a German. No, he never appeared in the pilot. As for Larry Hovis, he was a guest star in the first episode. When the person who played the Russian character in the pilot, Leonid Kinskey, refused to sign the contract after the series was picked up, because he thought the series was taking the Nazis too lightly, they signed up Larry as the fifth main prisoner, and gave Kinskey's character's part to LeBeau and Newkirk. I seriously doubt if the people in charge of the show ever considered him as a replacement for Hovis. Leoni2 19:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Coincidence?
Ivan Dixon plays Sgt. Kinchloe. There was a Korean war fighter ace named Iven Kincheloe. Clarityfiend 05:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Officers vs non-com
I noticed frequently that Hogan strolled around while his men worked, and it always looked wrong to me for Hogan to be putting his men to work but not bending his own back. However, in "Bridge over the River Kwai", I first became aware that under the Geneva Convention, officers were not required to do work, even as prisoners. The last edit to the article indicates that Carter is a non-com. Is Hogan the only officer of the five main POW star characters? If so, then I can understand why Hogan wouldn't work, especially to keep up appearances. GBC 16:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Col. Hogan is the only officer among the five main star prisoners. So, if the Geneva Convention says that officers do not work, even after being captured, then Hogan won't work, while his men work. I hope that answers your question. Leoni2 19:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Concentration camp ID's
The part about Banner "also" having to wear long sleeves to cover up concentration camp ID's, as Cleary evidently did, sounds tacked on and perhaps is the result of their two stories being concatenated. Any source for this? Ron Coleman 17:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
From what I'd read on Banner, I don't think he was in the concentration camp system long enough to be ID, if at all. That was Robert Clary who go ID, but after the German conquest of France. I believe that Banner, like Akins and Clary, had relatives who did die in the camps. Leoni2 19:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
IMDB states that "Clary has a tattoo on his left foream, "A5714," from his time in a German concentration camp during WWII." user:mnw2000 00:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fanfiction
Exactly why is fanfiction discussed in the article? What makes it relevant to the show? Not only does it not cite anything, it doesn't add anything to the article. What the fans write about characters isn't canonical and certainly doesn't deserve it's own section. Hawk405359 21:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Filming and locations
It would be interesting to hear a little about the filming of the show. I know some of it was shot at Paramount Studios. Robertknyc 16:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Possible inspiration for the series
The "Colditz castle" POW camp was probably one more true inspiration / template for Hogan's Heroes: Many actions depicted in the series have their true counterpart in Colditz castle, which became "Oflag IVc" after the outbreak of the war. Please read the article about [1]Colditz castle here on Wikipedia for some facts. A recent British/German TV documentation tells what the Wikipedia article doesn't point out so clearly: It's pretty funny to hear some original former inmates and guards telling about tricks, pranks, black marketing and the unbelievable escape plots of many POWs. Even though it was a "high security" camp, the vast extent of the old castle was hard to control by the SS and the inmates exploited it greatly. Just like in HH, there were specialists for everything in Colditz and so they managed to improvise many things (radio, counterfeited uniforms, weapons and documents and so on) we find in Hogan's Heroes, crowned by the famous escape glider they build in the attic. Relations between guards and inmates were pretty good and there were many "Schultzes", benefitting from the well-supplied inmates. The mass of similarities between the series and actual happenings in Colditz shed a new light on what seems to be unbelievable in Hogan's Heroes. --213.39.162.83 00:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kinchloe
A few times in the article, Kinchloe's name is cited as "Sgt. James Kinchloe". I know that there is at least one episode in which he is called "Ivan Kinchloe". I'm not sure which episode (possibly Season Five, Episode Seven:Bombsight), but in it they try to get the help of a woman in France who actually went to high school with Kinch. Is there actually an episode in which he is called James? Maybe this would even belong under plotholes or something of that sort. --GummiLoveQuad 02:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Correction: The episode is from Season Three: "Is General Hammerschlag Burning?" --GummiLoveQuad 06:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
From what I have read, that was a goof on the actress' part. She said Ivan's real name during the scene when she should've said James. Leoni2 19:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Kinch
"Kinchloe" is a fairly uncommon name. Anyone seen any information to the effect that the character James Kinchloe might be named after Iven C. Kincheloe? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 04:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Russian Spy
Anyone have information on the actress who played the Russian Spy? Who was she? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jokem (talk • contribs) 19:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Timeline
Two episodes in season 6 may indicate the producers never did pin down exactly when the series was taking place. One featured a “V3” rocket, something that Germany never produced. Since the V2 rocket came into the fore in the Autumn of 1944, the “V3” would have come sometime later. In the very next episode, Klink makes a reference to assisting the troops at Stalingrad. The battle of Stalingrad occurred late 1942, early in 1943. You see what I mean? (205.250.167.76 22:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Right sided steering wheels?
My grandmother worked in Germany for the Pentagon from the mid 1960s to the late 1980s. While over there, she owned several cars, a few of which she brought back with her. A brown 1982 Pontiac Grand Am, a dark blue 1984 Volkswagen Quantum and a deep blue 1975 Volkswagen Superbeetle. Each of them made and intended for German drivers. Each of them had the steering wheel on the left. The Superbeetle is now my car and I drive it daily. It even still has German instrumentation in it, and it's one of the few Superbeetles with the original fuel injection system still in it and still working (for some odd reason). At least I know for my superbeetle, the car is 100% German stock. Although I'm pretty sure the Quantum was modified before being shipped over, I think it was just the instrumentation and a few engine modifications to get it street legal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.254.147.60 (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
