Talk:Hog-baiting

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[edit] Hog-baiting

Baiting (animals) reflects that the term Hog-baiting is correct. Baiting has been occurring for hundreds of years, with the original and correct term for this article being "Hog-baiting". The recent popularity and repackaging of "Hog-Baiting" in Pop Culture with the more marketable term "Hog Dogging" being used, is neither the original nor correct terminology, it is merely a current fad. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 22:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• The convention is Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. A quick Google-test shows 5 times more links for "hog dogging" over "hog baiting". I don't see that inconsistency with other "baiting" sports amounts to such a conflict. It is not our job as Wikipedians make inconsistent things consistent or to to dictate correct terminology. For example, it is "original and correct" to refer to a "fax" as a facsimile transmission, but that main article is, rightly, at Fax because that is the more common name. Also, the practice discussed in the article is contemporary, not historical. If you have content to add on the history of hog-baiting as distinct from hog-dogging, then perhaps a separate article is in order. If there is a history that is not to be distinguised from hog-dogging, we're missing that content. --Dystopos 23:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Hog-dogging is the popularly-accepted term for the practice documented by this article. I have seen no evidence that the term is a marketer's invention or ploy; or that there exists any conflict that would merit straying from the naming conventions. I will continue to revert attempts to use the article to make a point. (WP:POINT). --Dystopos

Article Are you an administrator at the Wiki ? Baiting has been around for hundreds of years including Bear-baiting Rat-baiting Bull-baiting etc.. However, you believe that the sport of Hog-baiting should be called Hog Dogging based on a Pop Culture term that may or may not be showing up more on google searches. Hog Dogging is a relatively recent term used in the last 25 years to repackage an old sport. This is my last words. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 00:32, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The article you cite, which is the press release which prompted me to expand and improve the article last April in the first place, says this about the name:"Hog dogging, hawg dawgin', hog baiting, hog dog "rodeos": They're all terms for a bloodsport known as hog dog fighting.". I still don't see any evidence, except a desire for "consistency", that "hog baiting" is more correct than the popular name. Just because there are 1000 years of history behind "soup" doesn't mean the proper name for seafood gumbo is "okra soup". --Dystopos 02:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The Google results I get are far different than yours:

Results 498,000 for Hog baiting

Results 63,600 for Hog Dogging

What search engine terms did you use ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 23:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• You have to put "hog baiting" in quotes to avoid getting all the pages that include the words "hog" and "baiting". Likewise with "hog dogging". I get 2,590 results for "hog dogging" to 570 for "hog baiting" (hyphens are irrelevant to Google's algorithm). It is also worth noting that the top results for "hog baiting" include pages using "hog dog" in the title, and editorials that try to distinguish between "hog dog" sports and "hog baiting", and information on the luring of hogs with baits (rather than the worrying of hogs with dogs) --Dystopos 00:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't use quotes because it could be "baiting of hogs" or some other word formation, when describing the event. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 01:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• Are you joking? "Baiting of hogs" would add 32 results to my 570, not 497,430. And all of the results on the first page involve luring hogs with bait, not worrying hogs with dogs. And more than half of them are the same quote from the same forum. Whereas once you get past the first page of Hog baiting without quotes, you're looking at pest-control methods for groundhogs and fishing lures with "hog" in the name. --Dystopos 01:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)