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Incivilty

Please do not remove legitimate warnings from your talk page or replace them with inappropriate content. Removing or maliciously altering warnings from your talk page will not remove them from the page history. You're welcome to archive your talk page, but be sure to provide a link to any deleted legitimate comments. If you continue to remove or vandalize legitimate warnings from your talk page, you will lose your privilege of editing your talk page. Thanks. for removing this warning.TerryJ-Ho 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

A bogus warning, as mediator agrees with me.See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > Provide proof on which mediator agreed to remove the warnings?

• > Sir Nicholas to confirm whether this is correct?Is it a specific warning to me..Why?

copied from above "See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)"

• >I will take back any warnings if you show proof of the mediator's communication..Thanks TerryJ-Ho 21:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Support from mediator regarding Mkhan's sock army and subsequent abuse:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mujeerkhan

In particular, read mediator Martinp23's comments.Hkelkar 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > When you removed the warnings and wrote that mediators agreed with you - you gave an impression that mediators agreed with the removal of the warning itself.From your proof it appears you are rather referring to a construed agreement that happened on an entirely different issue some times back in history.My warning to you is on using uncivil language and using words that could imply that Wikipedia is a battlefield (by now you should be very well aware what these mean).Mkhan or any other user may be misusing socks but that does not mean that you should use language that exacerbates the editing environment and worse then mislead others into believing what is apparently not the case.My warnings stand..you may seek any admin's help in removing them.TerryJ-Ho 10:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on your tendentious remarks on the Tipu Sultan mediation, I will have to say that the pot calls the kettle black, indeed.Plus, you have yet to establish by canonical arguments that the remarks were incivil. Besides, since they are not directed at anyone other than myself they do not count as incivil towards anyone (except maybe myself, and I officially forgive me :-) ).Hkelkar 10:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• > I have asked you on numerous occasions not to rake up historical accounts to justify your present misdeeds and for sure now that you want to turn the tables against me.What did I say on Tipu Sultan mediation that was incivil to another user:

This - "Can I ask you to refrain from terms like "Osama's pawns".These are denigrating and highly Uncivil TerryJ-Ho 22:55, 25 September "

• > You are not doing any justice to yourself by removing these templates.Only an admin can do so, your block is getting harder to be removed.TerryJ-Ho 11:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not remove the templates, merely unrendered them temporarily. Let's see what an admin has to say.Hkelkar 12:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

And as for who turns tables against whom, well, guess who failed in every attempt at propaganda on wikipedia (AfD of anti-Hindu, Tipu Sultan mediation etc.etc.) so far thanks to the tireless efforts of yours truly.12:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why you should take content issues personally.TerryJ-Ho 12:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Recycle bin

You're compiling quite a long list of what to do during your block. Subhash bose used to do the exact same thing. BhaiSaab ^talk 10:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

So does TerryJ-Ho.Hkelkar 17:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was never blocked and neither am I being suspected of being a sock, Kelkarji.I don't make a To do list either.My noting down potential sources is different to your - similarity with Netaji TerryJ-Ho 19:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was inspired into it :) Hkelkar 01:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Terry was blocked for calling me a fascist. I myself have utilized a to-do list.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you want to prove..Bhaisaab has not pointed out that creating such to do list is wrong.He is talking about the fact that both Netaji and HKelkar exhibit similar behaviour.Don't twist and twirl..what others mean TerryJ-Ho 09:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop spouting accusations. This matter has already been taken up at WP:RFCU and the checkuser was not conclusive. Statements that imply that sockpuppeteering is taking place can be construed as personal attacks. Please cease this immediately. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Not against me

HI mate, you were not rallying against me personally, but at the same time, I would like to point out that few remarks were unwarranted in that page. Keep editing and have a good day  Doctor Bruno  02:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

User:129.112.109.250 may be a sockpuppet for user:kennethtennyson, both have the same views about India, and a habit of following me around on wikipedia. Best watch out for the sockpuppet and it's anti-India stance in articles like Hindutva etc. I Informed you because I noticed you were editors in some of those articles as well. Freedom skies 18:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Genocide

Can you please help me find a neutral source which states that Direct Action Day and following Partition riots was a form of genocide. I wrote quite a bit on it, but it was removed, and rightly removed considering I hadn't provided a source which claimed it was genocide. All I have found is this and this. Both are not neutral sources. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 00:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the term genocide did not exist back then, so the Subodh Ghosh articles don't use the term.However, I will look into what later works say. Consider it in my todo list.Hkelkar 00:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey man how about your own ref page 7 below:

http://www.sarai.net/journal/06_pdf/05/04_debjani.pdf

Hkelkar 00:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Do a google books search for "Bloodbath in Bangla Desh" by Praboth Chandra. The UT library has it in storage and I have placed a request to retrieve it. It should happen in 3-5 days and then I'll let you know.Why don;t you email me from wikipedia interface?Hkelkar 01:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ho Hum

{{wr1}} for removing this warning.TerryJ-Ho 21:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

A bogus warning, as mediator agrees with me.See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > Provide proof on which mediator agreed to remove the warnings?

• > Sir Nicholas to confirm whether this is correct?Is it a specific warning to me..Why?

copied from above "See warnings to TerryJ-Ho by admins below.Hkelkar 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)"

• >I will take back any warnings if you show proof of the mediator's communication..Thanks TerryJ-Ho 21:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Support from mediator regarding Mkhan's sock army and subsequent abuse:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mujeerkhan

In particular, read mediator Martinp23's comments.Hkelkar 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• > When you removed the warnings and wrote that mediators agreed with you - you gave an impression that mediators agreed with the removal of the warning itself.From your proof it appears you are rather referring to a construed agreement that happened on an entirely different issue some times back in history.My warning to you is on using uncivil language and using words that could imply that Wikipedia is a battlefield (by now you should be very well aware what these mean).Mkhan or any other user may be misusing socks but that does not mean that you should use language that exacerbates the editing environment and worse then mislead others into believing what is apparently not the case.My warnings stand..you may seek any admin's help in removing them.TerryJ-Ho 10:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Based on your tendentious remarks on the Tipu Sultan mediation, I will have to say that the pot calls the kettle black, indeed.Plus, you have yet to establish by canonical arguments that the remarks were incivil. Besides, since they are not directed at anyone other than myself they do not count as incivil towards anyone (except maybe myself, and I officially forgive me :-) ).Hkelkar 10:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• > I have asked you on numerous occasions not to rake up historical accounts to justify your present misdeeds and for sure now that you want to turn the tables against me.What did I say on Tipu Sultan mediation that was incivil to another user:

This - "Can I ask you to refrain from terms like "Osama's pawns".These are denigrating and highly Uncivil TerryJ-Ho 22:55, 25 September "

• > You are not doing any justice to yourself by removing these templates.Only an admin can do so, your block is getting harder to be removed.TerryJ-Ho 11:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I did not remove the templates, merely unrendered them temporarily. Let's see what an admin has to say.Hkelkar 12:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

And as for who turns tables against whom, well, guess who failed in every attempt at propaganda on wikipedia (AfD of anti-Hindu, Tipu Sultan mediation etc.etc.) so far thanks to the tireless efforts of yours truly.12:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Your warning

Thanks Kelkar, I will let this warning remain as it is.However, you should note that by reorganising the page - you have tried to disrupt the natural flow of discussion that would make it difficult for anyone to decipher and decide. TerryJ-Ho 13:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

IRC

Hello. Are you online. Want to discuss something with you. - Aksi_great (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer IRC as exchanging mails takes too much time. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I notice that you are online just now. Could you join #wikipedia-in? - Aksi_great (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Indian caste system

The request for mediation has gone unanswered. What is your opinion on what to do next? Personally, I think the case is pretty simple. I'm asking you to provide some sources detailing the impact of the fatwa (on the supposed establishing of the castes) - all you're doing is providing sources detailing the fatwa itself that say nothing of its impact. BhaiSaab ^talk 18:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well? BhaiSaab ^talk 20:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll get back to you in a couple of days concerning this matter.I suggest formal mediation (rather than informal cabal).Hkelkar 20:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you ask for assistance from an active MedCab member. I suggest User:Luna Santin or User:Keitei or perhaps, User:Kylu. Cheers. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Nadira

Hkelkar, plastering the Judaism template all over the Nadira page is not helpful. The article says that she is Jewish. That's all that's needed. Zora 23:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The template is "Jews" AND "Judaism" so it belongs there as she's Jewish.Hkelkar 23:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I really doubt it belongs in every page of a Jewish person. BhaiSaab ^talk 09:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it does. That's what it's there for :-) .Hkelkar 09:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, that's like posting Hinduism template on every Hindu in another country or the Islam template on every Muslim in India, or a Buddhism template on every Buddhist in Russia, the list goes on. Perhaps, if you wish to direct people somewhere place a "WP Judaism" tag on the article talkpage.Bakaman _Bakatalk 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

S Seagal

Please see his comments on Talk:Bangladesh, where he is denying genocide against Bengalis in 1971. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 03:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Surprise ! Surprise ! A BARNSTAR !!

Hi Hkelkar, I have noticed your contributions for the last few days. You've contributed a lot. I really appreciate your work. As a token of appreciation, here's a barnstar for you -

<--Thanks for the Barnstar, moved it to my user page-->. Hkelkar 08:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I learnt that you're a Jew. Your name seems like a Bene Israeli name. But how come you are so much into Hinduism and the Indian right-wing. And BTW, can you speak Marathi ? Anyways, keep contributing...

--NRS | ^T/_M\^B 08:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Help with your Hindu Surname - Kelkar TerryJ-Ho 11:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you are referring to the verrrrry traditional Kelkars. My father's family is a bit more cosmopolitan actually, though religious.11:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Religious or irreligious - you are from a Kelkar family and your surname is a perfectly Hindu one not Jewish - Kudos to have a cosmopolitan family TerryJ-Ho 11:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sigh!Why is this so difficult for you to understand?My father is a Hindu. My mother is Jewish. They got married, had me, and I am Jewish by right of matrilineage.Get it?Hkelkar 11:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The issue is that you let us believe that you are Jew by matrilineage but normally in India your religion is taken from your father.On the other hand now that you are grown up and able to decide - you may choose to say that you are either Hindu,Jew,all or None at all TerryJ-Ho 11:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The Indian law books may say one thing, but Talmudic Law supersedes all :-). My papers identify me as Jewish only.The passport officer got confused once as he was not sure what "Judaism" was. It was pretty funny actually.Hkelkar 11:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not concerned with the user's religion and beliefs. Please cease this topic immediately. — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 15:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

India-Israel relations

Sure, go ahead. My contribution there was minimal. I'll be happy to help with what I can. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Shiva's Trident

Looks like I was right all this time: [1]. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Only shows that some admins agree with you. others do not.Hkelkar 19:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's pretty conclusive; the account is indefinitely blocked. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

That action does not affect me one bit :) Hkelkar 19:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It will, because it establishes that you're a liar. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it only establishes that some admins agree with you and abuse their powers wantonly.Hkelkar 19:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you plan to go against this action or leave it be? BhaiSaab ^talk 19:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

We'll see.Hkelkar 19:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll tell you right now - if you plan to go against it, you'll only embarrass yourself and enforce the idea that you're a liar. I have compiled a significant amount of evidence. I suggest you admit to this long-term sockpuppetry to save yourself, the admins or arbritation committee, and myself some hassle. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

And I'll tell you right now that I have several admins backing me right now.Hkelkar 19:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Then I know your decision. Time for the hassle I guess. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What is your opinion on taking this dispute to the Arbitration Committee? BhaiSaab ^talk 21:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, you are involved in a request for arbitration. Please see this case. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Please add your statement to a separate section. Also, if you add any parties to the request, please be sure to notify them of the case as I have notified you. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

When you were having that conversation in the IRC channel, you didn't know how to find your own IP address. On the request for arbitration, you're explaining network interfaces. I find that quite interesting. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Physicists are fast learners. Just ask Blnguyen :) Hkelkar 00:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

A. Roy is pretty good with computers too. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

So are a lot of Category:Wikipedian physicists.Hkelkar 00:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you know where this conversation is going, janaab. I think I'll stop now - I don't want to divulge personal info that you haven't already.BhaiSaab ^talk 00:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't be ridiculous - I have only emailed you once, and I told you that time. Check your archives. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Great. I'd like to see you link any of this to me. BhaiSaab ^talk 19:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Who is 129.10.116.200? BhaiSaab ^talk 20:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was you actually before you made another reply. I don't know who it is. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually Hkelkar since hasnt been socking theres nothing to admit to. Anyways, this Arb case is keeping you and Terry from editing your favorite pages, but not keeping me from editing my favorite pages. Says something about certain users contributions to the encyclopedia. Anyway, that's the thoughts from the "beehive" (what a joke).Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You have my support

I do not believe you are the sockpuppet of Subhash Bose. Will comment on RFAr over the coming days. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 07:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I have just contributed my two cents. Hope that helps. Anyway you have my support. Don't let these things bother you. Let me know if I can be of any help. Syiem 06:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Posting of IRC logs publically

I will have to ask you to review WP:IRC here. You have published logs of a private channel on the Internet here. If you continue with this behaviour, I will ban you from all Wikimedia channels. Best regards, — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 17:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

My exact position

What is your position regarding my edits to the criticism of Human Rights Watch? Do you regard them as not NPOV? I invite your contribution if you can site specificpassages that you may have a problem with.Hkelkar 01:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Like I said on Talk:Amnesty International, I'm not totally sure. In principle I don't think I'm opposed to articles on NGOs including criticism. On the other hand, I'd prefer to see it coming from well-known organizations like the Anti-Defamation League, rather than columnists or editors for some random publication. I'd also like to see their possible bias clearly stated as per Wikipedia:Guidelines for controversial articles. Even better would be if the controversy was reported in a mainstream news outlet (or several) or some other secondary source. Remember that it's difficult to use primary sources properly and that we should use them with caution; it's less risky if we let the newsmedia do the hard work and just cite them. --Xiaopo (Talk) 01:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

RFA

I have made a statement regarding my observations on the user in question. And that was just the politically correct version, but by now you probably know all too well what his game is. Its one of those things that until you see it in action, you would not believe it. On the positive side, you have the opportunity to learn from the experience and be wiser for it in the long run, a much needed thing in today's world!--CltFn 06:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

My "game" is catching sockpuppeteers. BhaiSaab ^talk 12:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that that is your only game. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 05:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Well you're certainly welcome to find my other games if there exist any. BhaiSaab ^talk 05:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Certainly... WP:RFAr. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 05:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

And Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam:The Muslim Guild.Bakaman _Bakatalk 02:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome

Your contributions on articles related to Hinduism and India, to name a few have ensured neutrality of these articles which otherwise would have been subjected to NPOV violations, amongst others. Keep up the good work. Freedom skies 19:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Done.Hkelkar 23:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for message

As per your order, I shall try to present the citations of Ayurveda page according to my capacity. I will complete my 61 years on 20th November. I am a practitioner of Classical Ayurveda and practicing 8 to 10 hrs per day in my Clinic, which is also a research center. With this, I am related to Central Council for Research in Ayurveda and Siddha [CCRAS] and providing them Electro-tridosha-gram/graph technology invented by me,and presently, which is collaboratively developed by the [a] Central Research Institute of Ayurveda, New Delhi [2] Lady Harding Medical College and Hospital, New Delhi [c] Indian Institute of Technology [IIT] New Delhi. I often goes to New Delhi for guiding. When I have time, I will certainly contribute to Ayurveda pages. user:Debbe, 02 November 2006, 20:40 IST,

Hi

Please take a look into Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddhism and Hinduism. Surprisingly enough there seems to be an extremist Buddhist movement on Wikipedia detaching it from it's original Dharmic foundations and claiming that that Hinduism and Buddhism do not have anything at all whatsoever in common. My recent efforts have been to restore NPOV in many of these articles but they have come under vandal attacks from User:Green23, who has a history of vandal attacks relating to Buddhism related articles. Please see the articles Buddhism and Hinduism and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddhism and Hinduism. Freedom skies 16:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Images on India article

Hkelkar, I have removed many images that you have added to the article. Let us keep one image per section. The focus of the reader should be the article itself and it needs to flow smoothly. Images make the text zigzag and difficult to read. Images on this particular article should identify India at a macro level. Additional images can be added to child articles. I hope you'd understand and help keep the article at it's best state (featured). Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 02:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

India is a country of diverse cultures and I am proud of it. But, we cannot represent every nook-and-corner of the country. That would fill the article with pictures. India is a featured article. I want you to use the discussion page before you make these changes. That was the reason I started the Demographics section image discussion. Hope that explains. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Largest cities would be POV. There would be contraversy over what defines a large city. More importantly it is a section not suggested at WP:WPC. Would be best to avoid it. You can expand Status of Indian cities if you like. -- Ganeshk (talk) 03:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Simple answer. United States is not featured. Now you know why. :) -- Ganeshk (talk) 03:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't listen to me. :) Please do add a suggestion on the talk page about that section and see what others feel. -- Ganeshk (talk) 03:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I read the India article completely. I don't accept your characeterization of it as a "worst article". I can confidently say it is well-written and featured-status deserving article. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 07:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Indian Buddhist Movement and your continuous Vandalism

Your writings on Indian Buddhist Movement article shows total prejudiced. And try to contribute in a positive manner. Buddhist are not HINDUS are 22 vows make it clear. Read the 22 vows first. Read total Indian Population. Buddhists in Indian is a homogeneous community. Untocuhables, Tribals, Shudras and even caste Brahmins are converting to Buddhism. If you dont have basic knowledge then read on Internet the latest information. BBC has given the Otober 2006 Conversion details. We dont have sects like Hindu Caste System so don't pollute Buddhism Articles Dhammafriend 19:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Shiva's Trident

Shiva's Trident. I have read the details on your talk page :) What you are doing people can understand well. So dont vandalise valuable articles. Dhammafriend 19:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Removing comments

Hi Hkelkar - its extremely bad wikipedia ettiquette to remove comments from talk pages, even if you disagree with them. I've replaced the comments you removed, and would urge you to ignore them if you disagree with them - the talk page is deisgned to be a historical record, and use of anti-vadnalism tools to revert good faith comments (which aren't vandalism by WP:VAND]) is a policy violation. Please try to stop doing it :) Martinp23 20:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your response. Though his comments may, in places, violate both the spirit and the letter of WP:CIVIL, I don't feel it appropriate for you to remove them (unless they deeply offend you). The main thing I took issue with when seeing this edit of yours was the fact that you'd used popups - an anti-vandalism tool, for reverting something which clearly wasn't vandlism. The rules for using such tools forbid this. Martinp23 20:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

OK - WP:ANI is the right way to go about it, or WP:PAIN. Martinp23 21:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Sabrang

Can you explain why Sabrang is not a reliable source? You've stated before that both The Times and The New York Times are not reliable sources, so I feel it appropriate to ask you this question about Sabrang. BhaiSaab ^talk 00:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't I say the same thing of your insertion of statements from Ramesh Rao's blog? Sabrang's award page seems to indicate they're reliable, but I have to admit I'm not very familiar with the source. BhaiSaab ^talk 01:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going out now but I'll get back to you.--BhaiSaab ^talk 01:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

See rediff isnt an advocacy group like this band of "concerned seculars".Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: India

I will keep a watch. Syiem 10:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

hi

Hi Hkelkar - I regard you as a good and promising contributor. I don't really wish to interfere but I feel the need to offer a bit of advice. You should keep the fundamental policies of Wikipedia at heart and be calm. I see that you frequent articles that are inherently controversial. You have also gotten into conflicts with users of other points of view. All this will not help you or Wikipedia. Please be calm at all times and don't worry about what other editors do. If you edit in a calm and civil fashion with Wikipedia policies in mind, you will face no obstacles in your work.

I know you are worried about other editors loading controversial articles with their POV, but you must keep composure and not engage in edit wars. Why? Because the POV-pushing editor is beaten at one point or another. He gets undue stress and anger. Also, making biased statements on Wikipedia will hardly help anything you're passionate about. Leave real-life battles in real-life.

A piece of advice was given to me by Ambuj Saxena that has greatly helped me. He advised me to not respond to a provocative (or other) comment immediately. Take time to think, compose myself and then reply so my language is not influenced by any heated emotions.

You are a valuable editor who can easily turn into a great editor. I hope I can help you achieve this. Nobody is asking you to compromise your principles - this is just some advice on which you should consider changing how you react to potential conflicts. All the best, Rama's arrow 18:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people who left Islam

List of converts to Judaism is up for deletion in this Afd as well. There's al lot of hard work that would be lost.Bakaman _Bakatalk 20:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, had already done.

Thanks, had already done. Swadhyayee 03:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Why?

"Raja Ram Mohan Roy's role in the abolition of Sati and, in the process, is citing equally obscure historical references from old and backdated textbooks to"

Why equally? Do you admit that your ref. was obscure?

Swadhyayee 03:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps I should correct that.Hkelkar 03:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for strong wordings on India talk page.

Sorry for strong wordings on India talk page. Pl. carefully word your comments. Swadhyayee 06:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

email

My account is not validated for email. What is it that your need?--D-Boy 11:11, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it really that important that you can't tell me on my talk page?--D-Boy 14:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:Sansad Bhavan.jpg

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Re:Copyright

Click here, scroll down the image and you'll see the remark © All rights reserved. Such images are not in creative commons and can't be used in Wikipedia. Also, click here and scroll down. You can see a $ sign. Such images are released under non-commercial license which according to Jimbo Wales are not allowed in Wikipedia. If you need further help, please let me know. Cheers --Incman|वार्ता 21:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Be sure that the images you are uploading to Wikipedia from Flickr are free images. Check this one out: Image:Akshardham New Delhi.jpg. --Incman|वार्ता 21:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. Only images which meet all criteria can be tagged as Fair Use. The Delhi image you are talking about is not a non-replaceable image and hence fails the first criteria. Compare with Image:Tianasquare.jpg. This is the only image that captured the significant event depicted and is hence non-replaceable (i.e. no other "free use" image can depict this particular event). --Incman|वार्ता 21:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use cannot be applied because the image is replaceable as a free image depicting the flyover can be easily produced. --Incman|वार्ता 20:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Here makes allusions to some book from Khushwant Singh that can not probably be verified.

• I take exception to calling me Pakistani when I have already mentioned in the para before that I have an Indian nationality.I do not need a certificate of your version of nationalism.Thanks and be remindful that your ways are proving to be very nefarious.TerryJ-Ho 13:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mujeer Khan

I think you should apologize by editing my sourced information. I dont have any sockpuppets and there is no verification ( can you justify this)...just your imagination.There has been lots of cases of sock puppetery on you..its better to check your backyard than mine... If you remove sourced verified edits you will be blocked. If you use your proven sockpuppets you will be banned Mujeerkhan 1:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar will keep that in mind when Naziakhanum, shehzad786, mysorebhai, and the rest of the homies show up.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Look, my case has not been proven and there is a mistake my martin( and he was the only person who saw my case) by the way I use my uni computers, so there are hundreds of people who use wiki..does that mean i am a sockpuppet of them or the other way round. Mujeerkhan 1:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point, just because Hkelkar and Shiva's Trident go to the same university they arent socks. You're forgetting it was confirmed on your part and only likely on his part. Hundreds of Hyderabadi Muslims on a university campus? I highly doubt that scenario.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Reply

I'm busy with Manipur right now. Also you might be interested in Mizoram, they have a large Jewish community there. B'Nei Menashe or something.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:33, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Bad Faith Attempts to remove Vedic Metal

Hi Hkelkar, some users are trying to remove any mention of Vedic Metal from Wikipedia. Vedic metal was an article which was Afded twice and got deleted twice, mainly because of disinterest from concerned Wikipedians. Currently, it is a sub-section of the article Folk metal and some users are trying to remove it from there as well. Please check these diffs - diff1, diff2. Apart from that, check out the Talk:Folk metal.

--NRS | ^T/_M\^B 04:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

My comment was not racist.

How was my comment racist please accurately tell me in which way it was racist? --StreetScholar 22:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

if I need to explain that then you are farther gone than I thought.Hkelkar 00:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Historically-defined racial groups in India

AFD it, it's a load of rubbish. No other country has such an article, why should India have it. Get rid of it I say. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 07:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

RV warning and abusive edit summaries

You are warned against rv warring (but I don't know if you will consider it) and abusive edit summaries against users like you have just done here. Ikon |no-blast 08:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)