Talk:Hitomi Kagewaki
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But, in the Manga and in the Japanese version of the Anime, Naraku basically says that not only IS he Kagewaki Hitomi, he has always been him (he created him.)
Huh? I don't recall a word about that in the anime subtitles that I saw. Let's see a citation. Also, the fan theory about Naraku creating the whole castle and its inhabitants flatly contradicts the anime-character theory that he lacked the power to create detachments until he acquired most of the Shikon no Tama. (The heroes proposed this theory, I don't recall if Naraku endorses it.) Dan 20:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
^Actually, Naraku always had the ability to create human-like puppets, illusions, and he can shape-shift as well. So, creating offspirings is not the way he can create "people". Do you remember that Lord who killed the Demon Slayers(the one who claimed to be Kagewaki's Father)? If I remember the Manga correctly, he was created by Naraku, and he seemed pretty human-like to me. Also, it would be easy for Naraku to "create" the Lord, his so-called Father as a Puppet, then hire real humans as Castle Guards. After all, Naraku DID have 50 years to make this happen. I am not saying that I am 100% certain that Kagewaki has always been Naraku, but I believe that there is enough proof that supports this theory up to 80% (I will not say "90%+" because I do not know what that Character Guide Book says about this). Seriously...In the Manga, Kagewaki acted a lot differently-- more like Naraku, and after Sango "unmasked" Naraku during their second encounter, he said that he IS Hitomi Kagewaki...The quotes inside the article are exact as well. Lasty, towards the end of the episode (25)/chapter, Naraku did not say things exactly meaning that he took over Kagewaki's body and such; he simply said that he has status, power, Etc-- which seemed a lot like it was just Rumiko's way of introducing/showing off the fact that Naraku was Kagewaki all along. Read the Manga script online, and you will see that things are not very complicated (japanese version.) However, I do believe that the Anime added a great deal of confusion.
Also, if I were you, I would not always listen to what the hereoes say about Naraku. A lot of times, they see things as they WANT to see them because they hate Naraku. And, I have seen a lot of Naraku haters act this way, as well. Examples:
1) They assumed that Naraku killed Abi-Hime for no reason at all; as a sick reward; while actually, she betrayed him and tried to kill him. However, because Naraku beat her, he ended up looking the most evil, I guess.
2) Just about everytime death and chaos appears, InuYasha & friends always assume that it is Naraku's doing-- even when it has nothing to do with him.
3) InuYasha and the others assume that Naraku killed Kikyou on purpose, but actually, Naraku said that he did not intend to kill her, and that he expected her to use the Jewel in order to save herself.
4) InuYasha, his friends,Etc always assume that Naraku enjoys making people suffer, and loves killing for fun. However, not once have I seen Naraku act that way towards anyone other than InuYasha.
5) InuYasha believed that Bankotsu was 100 times better than Naraku, even though Bankotsu was pure evil.
6) All or most good characters believe that Naraku fears Kikyou and sometimes, Kagome-- and I have never seen any proof to back that up. It seems like everytime Kikyou is standing close to Naraku, threatening him, Naraku just casually stands or sits there looking totally unfazed-- and without a sign of fear. Of course, Kikyou is a threat to Naraku, and Naraku knows that, but I never see him acting like he is afraid of her any more than he is afraid of InuYasha and the others. Kikyou and Kagome had surprised him a few times, but which character has not? But, if he does fear Kikyou, then he surely fears Sesshoumaru, InuYasha, Miroku, Sango, Kagome, Kouga and others just as much, and more than Kikyou (at least Sesshoumaru and InuYasha made him sweat and act nervously).
Years ago, I used to believe everything that fans and the good guys said about Naraku, and unfortunately, a lot of it did not make sense once I started paying greater attention to the things that Naraku says and does. These days, I just get all of my character-info from the Manga, because the Anime really does give out false information sometimes.IANS 10:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
- From what I've seen, the manga does not say that Naraku created the father, it does not have him say that "he IS Hitomi Kagewaki", and it does not say what the article says. Perhaps I misunderstood you; what do you mean by "their second encounter"? What chapter of the manga do you refer to? In general, please provide citations for all theories. Dan 04:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Alright, here are examples:
1. Kagewaki's Father calls the Slayers to the Castle, then Naraku later says that he, himself called them to the Castle in order to keep them busy while he steals the shard at the village. Quotes: [Closeup side view of Naraku smirking.] Naraku
Heh... I just...
4 [Long view of Kagome and Sango.] Naraku
{off} called the exterminator fighters out to a castle,
5 [Closeup of Sango looking surprised..] Naraku
{off} and sent the Youkai a message...
6 [Closeup of Inuyasha looking angry.] Inuyasha
You bastard...
7 [Closeup of Miroku.] Miroku
You were after the Shikon fragment in the town?
1 [Closeup of Naraku.] Naraku
Ohh... You're well informed...
2 [Depiction of the battle between the town-people and the swarm of Youkai.] Naraku
That's right... in the middle of the disturbance, taking it was easy.
3 [Inuyasha and Miroku look on.] Inuyasha
You bastard, just for the sake of that, you went that far...
4 [View of Naraku.] voice
{off} Naraku!
5 [To the side, Sango is half-standing up, leaning heavily on Kagome.] Naraku
Sango, huh...
Sango
The Youkai at the castle...
6 [Closeup of Sango.] Sango
Was that too... just a trap!?
^ This is from the Manga equivalent of episode 25.
2. At the time when Sango dug herself out, Naraku/Kagewaki was already own his way over there (most likely to take Kohaku's body). So in other words, in the Manga, he was already coming towards Sango, and Sango did not exactly come to him the way she did in the Anime.
3. Did you read what I wrote earlier? About Naraku not exactly saying that he took Kagewaki's body and Castle? Here's a quote also from the Manga equivalent of episode 25:
With this castle, I have assumed the position of leader, and I have the status.
2 [Misty frame.] Naraku
This time, this will be enough.
3 [Black frame.] Naraku
And, Sango the exterminator...
4 [Black frame.]
"Assumed" can mean that someone has stolen/taken something from another, but it can also mean that one has "obtained" or "acquired" something without stealing/taking as well. Also, did you notice that unlike in the Anime, Naraku never said, " My dear Kagewaki " or " Kagewaki-Dono "-- as if he is a different person (again, I am not saying that this alone "proves" that Kagewaki never existed).
4. When I said, "second encounter", I meant the Manga equivalent of episode 30, and here are more quotes:
[Closeup of Naraku (the young master of the castle from 2 volumes back), holding Tetsusaiga.] Naraku
Indeed you are a girl not to give chances to, or be careless with.
4 [Sango is surprised.] Sango
You...
Page 8
1 [Closeup of Naraku, smiling evilly.] Sango
{off} That face...
2 [Closeup of Sango looking rather shocked.] Sango
That's right, he's... the young master of this castle...?
3 [Closeup of Naraku.] Naraku
So you remember huh...
4 [Closeup side view of Sango getting angry.] Sango
You're Naraku...
In the japanese version of the Anime, after Sango "unmasked" Naraku, their quotes are pretty much the same as the ones in the english-dubbed version, except Naraku said, "Hitomi Kagewaki...But, I am Hitomi Kagewaki!" instead of, "Kagewaki is still alive. Or at least he is according to those I fooled into believing I am him!" Of course, the Manga is different from both. Notice that Sango does not ask Naraku if he killed Kagewaki or not.
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Seriously, it seems to me that you are more aimed at proving people wrong than correcting...I believe that if you feel that things are so wrong, then feel free to change anything in the article. I have been excepting people to edit it a lot, anyway... It is a free country, right? Also, I thought you were more concerned with Naraku not being able to create offsprings and such at the time, so why has the subject shifted to other things? And if you read the article, it does NOT say exactly that Naraku IS Kagewaki; it simply quotes the American, Japanese Anime and Manga-- simply to theorize-- just like the "Naraku's Appearence/True Form" section in his article does (I do not understand how one can be worse than the other, since they all contain facts, and not made up things). Another thing is, it also says, "No one can be certain of Kagewaki's true existance" or something like that...However, my biggest fault is that I wrote, " basically " when I meant, " practically "...I do not see what the big deal is, though (again, edit anything that you feel needs to be edited or removed).IANS 6:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
