Talk:Hit by pitch
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The article claims "Headhunting is slightly more common in the American League than in the National League, because pitchers are required to bat in the National League." Why does this make a difference? --Dmleach 21:20, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- In a word, retaliation — if NL pitchers were to throw at somebody's head, then the other team could throw at them. I'll see if I can come up with a better way to phrase it for the main article. - jredmond 21:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Phrasing
Oftentimes, if a player is acting rude or unsportsmanlike, or having an extraordinarily good day, the pitcher may intentionally hit the batter
Shouldn't this be "having a bad day"? It doesn't follow as it is now. Kerowyn 00:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- No, it makes perfect sense: If a player is hitting well, by hitting him, you take the bat out of his hands and limit him to one base -- precisely the same as with an intentional walk. 142.104.250.115 22:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hit by Pitch while attempting to hit a pitch
- This discussion started on the Talk:Baseball page but was more relevant here. Dakern74 17:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I have never submitted a question before so I hope I am doing this right. I have searched for an official answer to this question without success. While batting, if a batter swings at an inside pitch and subsequently the ball hits the knuckles of the batter and the ball is hit in fair play is the play dead and the batter awarded first base as a result of a hit by pitch or is the ball live as it was "hit" in fair play during an attempted swing? Thank you for your reply!
- Part of rule 6.08 [1] states that in order to be awarded first base, the batter can't be trying to hit the ball. If he swings, the pitch counts whether it later hits the batter or not. If he swings and misses for strike three, even if it hits him after the fact, he's out. I saw that challenged in a minor-league game I think last season. If he makes contact, then the ball's in play. Of course, if it hits the bat first and then his knuckles, it's probably going to be called a foul tip (assuming he's still in the batter's box). Hope this helps. Dakern74 19:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not quite right. This would never be a foul tip. Also, any time a pitched ball hits a batter, the ball is dead--it can never be hit in play or a foul, etc. If the pitch first hits a player's hands (or any part of the body) while he is taking a full swing, it is a dead ball and a strike, even if the ball is hit. No runners may advance. If a pitch first hits the hands while the swing is a half-swing but "he didn't go", and the umpire judges that the batter didn't try to avoid it, then it is a dead ball and a ball (a pitch not in the strike zone). If he did try to avoid it, then it is a hit by pitch. I think these are clear in the articles I've linked. If not, edit them or let me know. If you're confused, just remember this one thing: The hands are NOT part of the bat--ever. --Locarno 14:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Batters foul balls off parts of themselves all the time. Usually it's their legs, but still. As long as it hits the bat first, it's foul. However, after looking up the definition of a "strike" in rule 2, I'll agree that it can't ever be put in play. The rule I referenced (6.08) is silent about that. Thanks for the clarification. Dakern74 14:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Very true--that's when it hits the bat first. Once the ball hits the bat, it is no longer a pitched ball. Sorry if I wasn't clear. If there's anywhere the articles are unclear, let me know and we can fix it. --Locarno 16:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm going to copy this discussion over to Talk:Hit by pitch since it's more specific to that topic. Then maybe it can be removed from the overall "baseball" page to shorten it up a little. You'll find I also added some of these conclusions to the original hit by pitch article. Thanks for the help. Dakern74 17:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Very true--that's when it hits the bat first. Once the ball hits the bat, it is no longer a pitched ball. Sorry if I wasn't clear. If there's anywhere the articles are unclear, let me know and we can fix it. --Locarno 16:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Batters foul balls off parts of themselves all the time. Usually it's their legs, but still. As long as it hits the bat first, it's foul. However, after looking up the definition of a "strike" in rule 2, I'll agree that it can't ever be put in play. The rule I referenced (6.08) is silent about that. Thanks for the clarification. Dakern74 14:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- Not quite right. This would never be a foul tip. Also, any time a pitched ball hits a batter, the ball is dead--it can never be hit in play or a foul, etc. If the pitch first hits a player's hands (or any part of the body) while he is taking a full swing, it is a dead ball and a strike, even if the ball is hit. No runners may advance. If a pitch first hits the hands while the swing is a half-swing but "he didn't go", and the umpire judges that the batter didn't try to avoid it, then it is a dead ball and a ball (a pitch not in the strike zone). If he did try to avoid it, then it is a hit by pitch. I think these are clear in the articles I've linked. If not, edit them or let me know. If you're confused, just remember this one thing: The hands are NOT part of the bat--ever. --Locarno 14:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
