Talk:History of the Knights Templar
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[edit] New claim of descent amd revival?
- The modern continuation of the Order today claims legitimate historical direct lineal descendency from the original Order through the historic "Charter on Johannes Marcus Larmenius," also called the "Charter of Transmission," from whence certain modern-day branches of the Supreme Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem extend. The current lineal descendent Grand Master is the Count Dom Fernando Campello Pinto Pereira de Sousa FONTES of Porto, Portugal.
- The original Name Title of the Order is the "Order of Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon," or in the original Latin, "Ordo Pauperum Commilitum Christi et Templi Solomonis". The Great Preceptory of the North American branch of the Knight Templar Order is headquartered at Dallas, Texas, USA, and may be found at KnightTemplar.org. This branch of the Order is a legitimately-tied family branch member of the original Order under Count FONTES as Grand Master, the original Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani, which was separated in schism in the 1980s and again in 1995 by a group of American and British military officers.
- As of the last count in late 2005, there are approximately 14 historically-legitimate Grand Priories of the Order in Europe, North America, and Australia formulated into the International Association of Knights Templar.
I removed this poorly-written and biased text, which was added by anonymous User:69.148.92.247, from the article because it would more appropriate for it to be in the Claims of descent and revival section of the Knights Templar legends page. --Loremaster 23:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Edit protection request
User:69.148.92.247 insist on re-adding text without explanation. He may be new to Wikipedia. --Loremaster 23:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Link with Christopher Columbus
I'm tracking down references of Christopher Columbus's association with the Templar-derived organization, "Order of Christ". It's verified that he married Felipa Perestrello Moniz , a Portuguese noblewoman who was the daughter of a Portuguese explorer, Bartolomeu Perestrelo, and that as a part of the dowry, Columbus received all of his father-in-law's charts of the Atlantic ocean. I've also found one source that claims that Bartholemew was a local Master of the Order of Christ, but I haven't found a solid reference yet that confirms that... Then again, Columbus's ships are frequently portrayed as having the Templar (or Order of Christ) cross on their sails. If we could verify the link though (or confirm that there's no link), it would be a good addition to the article. Has anyone else done any research on this particular subject? --Elonka 21:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Number of Templar Houses?
There had been 15,000 Templar Houses......
This seems a bit off - the Hospitallers exceeded the Templars in having 19,000 estates, while the Templars had only about 9,000 at their height - but those were estates, not houses. The estates donated did not necessarily have a templar house in them: in The New Knighthood, Barber has a map with the number of houses, and there are definitely not 9,000 dots on it! I don't have the book anymore, could anyone else find out that figure, from Barber or another source? DonaNobisPacem 06:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Modern perspective
I moved the following text to the Temple Mount article:
- In 1867, a team from the Royal Engineers, led by Lieutenant Charles Warren (later the London police commissioner of Jack the Ripper fame) and financed by the Palestine Exploration Fund (P.E.F.), discovered a series of tunnels beneath Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, some of which were directly underneath the Templar headquarters. Various small artifacts were found which indicated that Templars had used some of the tunnels, though it is unclear who exactly first dug them. Some of the ruins which Warren discovered came from centuries earlier, and other tunnels which his team discovered had evidently been used for a water system, as they led to a series of cisterns.[1], [2] [3][4]. --74.57.204.138 16:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
MIstake at parograph "the fall" Where it sais "the Babylonian Captivity" it should say the "Shism of the west" or "western Schism". Is that an authors mistake? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.209.245.148 (talk • contribs) 16:14, February 22, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gap between decline and fall
There's no mention of what the order was up to between the 1180's and the 1300's. No sources, or an omission that could be corrected? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.209.245.148 (talk • contribs) 16:15, February 22, 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed, that area of the article could use substantial expansion. For sources, check the list on the main Knights Templar article. I'd highly recommend the Barber books for the most thorough set of data, or Sean Martin's book for a quick overview. There's also the complete text of a 19th century book which can be read online: Addison's book. Feel free to use these (or anything else you can find) to expand the wiki-info! :) --Elonka 17:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
