Talk:History of the Ecuadorian-Peruvian territorial dispute/Archives
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This subpage has been created to archive miscellaneous topics previously discussed on the Talk Page but not related to flame wars, which are archived here.Andres C. 17:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
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Size of the Article
Hello! I've seen the article has grown quite a bit! Since it's already beyond the recommended 32 kb, I suggest creating a new article out of the subsection on the Resolution of the Conflict. This is topic very interesting all by itself, and perhaps deserves its own entry, something along the lines of "Resolution of the Ecuadorian-Peruvian Conflict". Hope to hear your opinions. --Andres C. 20:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds good. "Resolution of the Ecuadorian-Peruvian dispute" for consistency. If it's an article of its own, it should probably contain more historic references, such as Mahuad's visit to Peru, Fujimori's visit to Quito, the protests in Peru, and so on. Neurodivergent 14:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Mahuad? You mean Abdalá? Abdalá Bucaram was the one who visited Peru...why, Fujimori even invited him to eat some of that pachamanka...Yes, we also have to include Fujimori in Guayaquil, he got quite a reception down at the Malecón, breaking the protocol and all, fishing in the Guayas, behind the statue of Bolívar and San Martín. Quite a story. Andres C. 21:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, that's right. It looks like Mahuad never went to Peru. Abdala's visit was the first official visit by a president in 170 years. Fujimori's visit to Ecuador first ever I think. I do specifically recall people cheering when Fujimori arrived in Ecuador. Neurodivergent 17:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
A note on militarism
Hello. I should start this small entry by saying I am a Peruvian citizen. Just a note on my fellow Peruvian citizen posting and his reference to militarism. I served in the Peruvian Army for a short while (reached the rank of lieutenant before droping out to pursue other things in life), and I feel most proud for having served my country wearing the uniform.
What Messhermit says about uniforms and militarism, in no way represents the thinking of Peruvians in general about their respect for their Armed Forces, and the privilege that means for a Peruvian citizen to serve his country by putting on the uniform of the Army, the Air Force, or the Navy. Perhaps, no one loves his country more than a soldier because only the soldiers get to know their nation so well. That is not militarism. My compatriot is wrong in that point. Please take it as a personal opinion of the person who wrote that.
That is all I wanted to add. Saludos a todos. 157.100.165.249 18:22, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- In any moment I have stated disrespect for the Peruvian Army or Air Force (and the Navy too). As a personal opinion, one does not need to use a uniform or a rifle to serve his country. The fact that another wikipedist attempted to use that against my person, was the main reason behind the use of that argument. Any person (military or civilian) is capable of loving his country in the most appropiated way. If you serve in the Peruvian Army, that was your personal decition, and I'm glad to hear that you still feel proud of doing it. Unfortunatelly, what I cannot accept, it's the fact that another wikipedist stated, basically saying that because I did not serve in the army, I'm not qualify to express my patriotism towards my country. Glad to clarify that. Messhermit 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Same Culture
Ecuador and Peru are populated by people who share a language, a culture, a religious preference, have basically the same social and ethnic diversity, and comparable economic difficulties.
It is true that we do share the same language, religion, and social and ethnic diversity, but it is certainly not true that we share the same culture. Every country especially in Latin America, have their own culture, something many North Americans are not aware of. Often ignorant statements are heard such as: "You look like your from Mexico, what part?", says the North American. "No, I'm from Peru", says the Latin American. "Oh, well their basicly the same thing, right?" says the ignorant North American. "Hey isn't South America part of Mexico?" These are the kinds of statements commonly heard in the USA. This encyclopedia should help some of our ignorant neighbors to the north that in fact each and everyone of the 17 Latin American countries actually all have their own culture, attractions, and history. This is why Simon Boliviar's dream to have a single South American nation never would have been able to become true.
- You do have a point. But compared to any other two countries in latin america, Ecuador and Peru are remarkably similar. For example, Quechua is the indigenous language spoken in Peru, Quichua in Ecuador. Even accent-wise, Spanish spoken in Ecuador and Peru is fairly similar, compared to, say, Colombian accent. Which cultural differences would you say are significant? (I'm in Peru currently btw). Neurodivergent 16:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
- As to Bolivar's dream, I don't buy that's a good reason. Consider Europe. Those are countries which don't even share a language, and yet, there's a European Union. Neurodivergent 16:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The fact that the Gran Colombia failed had nothing to do with cultural differences, and everything to do with greed, and lack of representation for the population as a whole (aside from the dominance of a certain group). How do you think the US would feel if all of the government posts were taken by Californians?Dragonlord kfb 03:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Good example. Usually, the Federations that have failed can be explained due to political; rather than cultural; problems. Messhermit 03:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
If this helps make some sense... It would be like comparing states of the United States of America with other states of the United States of America. Nearly 100% identical really, slightly different accents throughout, but more-or-less the same... Yet seperate =PPvt Mahoney 01:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Rio Protocol
Ecuador actually became an independent Republic in 1830, not in 1930. In 1830, Tumbes and Jaén were in Peruvian hands, but the Amazonian basin was devoid of any Peruvian presence north of the Marañón river. Actually,in 1830 the only people living there were indigenous tribes, who didn't know or care about the new states of Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru claiming sovereignty over their lands. Thank you. Andres C. 16:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
