Talk:History of early Ottoman Bulgaria
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[edit] Oppression against the Bulgarian population
I would like to ask the author whom wrote this section (Oppression against the Bulgarian population): what is your source to state all these things? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Varg (talk • contribs).
- I guess it's the same author who claims such things as the genocide. /FunkyFly.talk_ 02:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I take this article as true. This is the historic fact in the history of all the orthodox countries occupied by the turks. The same thing happened in the romanian parts controlled by the Ottoman Empire. There are unnumbered sources for this affirmations. But the most are published in books written in Romania and Bulgaria. D39 05:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)D39D39 05:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Please don't insert nonsensical dispute sections in the article. Asking for sources is also unwarranted - it's like asking for sources that the Second World War actually happened. If you are so interested though please read the pamphlets of William Gladstone, Eugene Skyler, and Constantine Irechek. There are plenty of Bulgarian historians who have examined the issue in detail, but I can tell that you are not Bulgarian and wouldn't know the language. Still, the book "Under the Yoke" is in English (by Ivan Vazov) - don't think they have a movie out yet - but you can certainly read it. Of course if you have any sources whatsoever that there were no Ottoman atrocities (or the Second World War) did not in fact take place, please share them. And abstain from making ridiculous disputes. -Jo
Varg is from Turkey... Ha Ha -Mark
Yes, there are infinite sources on this topic, the so called devshirme , or "blood tax". There are many books, not only historical, but as Jo mentioned, also works of art, that proof the existence of devshirme. The events that took place in 15-18 century on the Balkans are recognized and confirmed not only by many western historians, but also by historians from the Soviet, Bulgaria and even Turkey. Here are some sources on this topic:
SOME PROBLEMS OF THE RELIGIOUS HISTORY OF BULGARIA By Iona Sarieva
UNDER OTTOMAN DOMINATION by Dimiter Markovski
and one specially for Varg, in turkish, [1]
I don't think talk page should exist, as there is a wikipedia article about Devshirme
-Dieselboy
Here is a quote by William Gladstone, "Bulgarian Horrors and the Questions of the East":
"Let the Turks now carry away their abuses, in the only possible manner, namely, by carrying off themselves. Their Zaptiehs and their Mudirs, their Bimbashis and Yuzbachis, their Kaimakans and their Pashas, one and all, bag and baggage, shall, I hope, clear out from the province that they have desolated and profaned. This thorough riddance, this most blessed deliverance, is the only reparation we can make to those heaps and heaps of dead, the violated purity alike of matron and of maiden and of child; to the civilization which has been affronted and shamed; to the laws of God, or, if you like, of Allah; to the moral sense of mankind at large. There is not a criminal in an European jail, there is not a criminal in the South Sea Islands, whose indignation would not rise and over-boil at the recital of that which has been done, which has too late been examined, but which remains unavenged, which has left behind all the foul and all the fierce passions which produced it and which may again spring up in another murderous harvest from the soil soaked and reeking with blood and in the air tainted with every imaginable deed of crime and shame. That such things should be done once is a damning disgrace to the portion of our race which did them; that the door should be left open to the ever so barely possible repetition would spread that shame over the world."
-SK
