Talk:History of conversion from Judaism to Islam

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This article was nominated for deletion on June 7, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on January 2, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Contents 1 Another failed AfD for this article... 2 Changing the name 3 Similarities between Islam and Judaism 4 Neutral Point of View?

[edit] Another failed AfD for this article...

This article was nominated for deletion on 2 January, 2007. A record of the discussion can be found here. The consensus was that the article should be kept, with a strong contingent supporting renaming. Tomer^talk 19:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changing the name

Suggestions? crz crztalk 19:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• As I've already recommended, Jewish converts to Islam. My preference, however, is to create Category:Jewish converts to Islam as a subcategory of Category:Converts to Islam, take relevant parts of this article and use it as lead text for that proposed category, and dump the rest of it, most of which is unencyclopedic rambling. Tomer^talk 20:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Propose History of conversion from Judaism to Islam crz crztalk 20:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Since the discussion is dead, I've been bold. - crz crztalk 11:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I have no argument with your having done so, but...in the interest of rationality, now would be a good time for you to pare out "information" irrelevant to your preferred title. Thanks, Tomer^talk 01:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • I trimmed a bit this morning. You may feel free to help. - crz crztalk 01:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I still feel like deleting 90% of it is the best "help" possible for this article... Tomer^talk 01:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
        • There. That's my idea of cleanup. Tomer^talk 02:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities between Islam and Judaism

You know I realise there's a lot more similarity between Judaism and Islam than Judaism and Christianity - firstly, it's to do with the concept of God. As we know, Jews and Muslims believe in a pure monotheistic form of god - the Oneness of God. Yet, Christians, on the other hand (and I don't mean to be discriminatory but just stating the truth) state that God is Three in One. In other words, worshipping Jesus as the Son of God since that he represents God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. To me it doesn't seem like the Oneness of God. Secondly, Halal and Kosher. Though I cannot find proof that the Jews ask God for the blessing of the slaughtering of animals for eating, I notice that both have similar procedures using sharp knives and that only live animals can be slaugthered for eating - since that eating dead animals is not considered healthy. I know for sure that both religions practise male circumcision widely. Anything else that I'm missing? --Fantastic4boy 03:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Without opining on whether you're right or wrong, remember that this is an encyclopedia. Let's stick to facts, reliable sources, and history, and avoid pop-theology, comparisons, or sectarianism of any kind. We're unlikely to all agree here. - crz crztalk 03:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Everything Fanta4boy mentions is parts of Judaism watered down and adopted by Islam. That's hardly either spectacular or article-worthy. Christianity also borrowed and watered down a lot of things from Judaism...more things, in fact, than Islam did. In any case, no matter how "interesting" an individual editor might find the subject, similarities between Judaism and any other religion are completely irrelevant to this article. Tomer^talk 05:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neutral Point of View?

This article should be changes to contain a nore neutral point of view...right now it seems to present all jews who convert to islam as forced. There is no evidence to support this.

Yes, I agree with you. It seems bias to say that all Jews who are now practicing the Islamic faith were forcibly converted to that religion. Yes, it is true that there are some extreme Muslim dynasties such as the Safavids and some (if not all) of the Ottoman rulers, but how about those who voluntarily converted to Islam such as those seen in the early years of Muslim Spain adn those in moderate Muslim nations. You see the Koran clearly states in Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:256 there is "no compulsion in religion" and in Surah Al-Kafirun (The Disbelievers) "onto you be your religion, and onto me be my religion". So, it can't be that all of them were forcibly converted to this religion. People like Joseph Cohen (Yusuf Al-Khatab), a former New Yorker Kew who now lives in Israel, converted to Islam voluntarily. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.15.122.35 (talk) 22:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC).