Talk:History of coffee
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[edit] Copyedit please
A few sections including the references need minor cleanup and copyediting to maintain the flow of sentences. Some of the sections need to be expanded, as details such as the USA's Boston Tea Party (which is relevant in the spreading of Coffee) are missing; compared with the Wikipedia Spanish Coffee article, section on History: [1]. Thanks to anyone who can expand the article.
--130.194.13.106 11:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I did some copyediting but I agree that more info on the us is needed, as well as perhaps a restructuring of the article (pure chronology rather than by nation makes a lot more sense for a history article) Philmcl 18:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Question
Under the etymology heading, after a sentence-long explanation of where the word "coffee" originates, the next sentence is: "Its initial origin is uncertain." The initial origin of what is uncertain? I would just delete it, but I'm trying to see if the writer had a certain purpose in mind for this sentence that I'm not grasping. The origin of the word is obviously uncertain, since in just the last sentence it says qahwa is of uncertain etymology...Cela 16:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)COFFEE IS NOT FROM ETHOPIA BITCHES U HAER THAT NATENA COFFE IS NOT FROM ETHOPIA
- I agree with you Cela. The sentence is unclear: "Its initial origin is uncertain."; IMHO I think whoever first added the sentence meant "qahwa" being of uncertain etymology. IMHO I think it can be safely deleted. --130.194.13.106 09:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm deleting it. Cela 18:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] removed contradiction
the prior version of this article said:
- The first coffee plantation in the New World was established in Brazil (another contradiction: was the first in the islands or in Brazil?) in 1727 when Lt. Col. Francisco de Melo Palheta smuggled seeds from the French Guiana
this is indeed contradiction - Not only with the prior sentence (which says that the french first brought it to America), but also with itself. If Palheta smuggeled the seeds from French Guiana, it can't be the first in the new world. Felagund 08:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Coffee in Europe
The article states that coffee first appeared in Europe in Venice. While this sounds credible, I thought to mention a widely circulated story that coffee was first introduced to Europe when the Turkish army was repelled from invading Vienna. According to the account, the Viennese found many abandoned sacks of coffee (which hadn't previously been known in Europe) and began experimenting.
Unfortunately I don't have a reference.
Any comments?
--Philopedia 22:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References
The citation for Ibn al-Imād, Shadharāt al-dhahab fi akhbār man dhahab, was half done, and the year of publication in Christian Era numeration was off by one. Citations should include a place of publication and/or publisher.
Often cited as just Shadharāt al-dhahab, Shadharāt al-dhahab fi akhbār man dhahab is a 900 year old encyclopedia of biography. Interestingly, there is another Cairo edition of this work, 1351 AH, add 622 to get 1973 AD (see http://journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FMES%2FMES38_02%2FS0020743806412344a.pdf&code=dc0cbbb7df5783e813924f0d065b8fde
where there is the citation, Ibn al-Imad al-Hanbali, Shadharat al-dhahab fi akhbar man dhahab (Cairo: Maktabat al-qudsi, 1351 H)
The two sources below (plus others) agree on 1931 AD, not 1932 AD, as the date of a previous Cairo edition. Apparently the contributor added 622 to 1350. Matching Christian dates to Islamic dates is computationally involved because the Moslems use a lunar calendar, not a solar calendar.
(a) http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwheeler/arabic_reference_works.html. Compiled by prof. Brannon M. Wheeler, http://www.usna.edu/Users/humss/bwheeler/cv.html Ibn al-'Imad al-Hanbali [1032-1089], Shadharat al-dhahab fi akhbar min dhahab, 8 vols. (Cairo, 1350-1931).
(b) http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1478-1913.2006.00135.x —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hurmata (talk • contribs) 02:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] women in coffehouses
It is simply untrue that "women were not allowed in coffeehouses." As Adrian Johns puts it in The Nature of the Book,
"High Churchmen and nonconformists, gentlemen, retailers and mechanicks—and men and women, for the notion that coffeehouses excluded women is baseless—all flocked to this attraction"
I will be changing the article accordingly. --Spudstud 06:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
- Probably in some places they were, others not, and it probably changed over time. One of the dangers of over-generalization. When you make your edit, please help with this by making the context time- and place-specific! --EveRickert 06:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Oh good. You did. Thanks!--EveRickert 06:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
So probably we should make a similar clarification in the coffeehouse article proper (which also suggests that women were usually excluded). I'll at least add it to the discussion there, probably just by transplanting my comment above.--Spudstud 06:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
