Talk:Hijra (Islam)

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Zora, before starting to jumping around and yelling "vandalism", consider that the hijri year and the event of hijra are two totaly different things, one an event, and the other a dating built on the event. Both articles are now goin to be expanded by me and do no longer fitt on a single aritcle, even if it was ok to compres two different issues on the same article. I am not done with working on them, and are not going to be done in a few days.--Striver 06:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Reading this page (and other related pages) it is not at all clear what aspects of the discussion are derived from the Koran or other Muslim tradition and what parts are agreed upon by secular historians. The impression is given that both are in complete agreement. More references would be helpful. Sammy1339 23:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The cited reference, Shamsi, discusses all available sources, mainly statements by the followers of Muhammad who accompanied him or by compilers of those statements who interviewed those followers. There is some disagreement among the followers themselves, which presents a problem for any modern researcher. The dates given in the article are the conclusions of Shamsi, a Muslim historian. Secular historians generally don't give any detail so they are ignored. A prime example of disagreement is that Muhammad arrived in Medina on 8 Rajab. But does that mean that he arrived in the neighborhood of Medina or the city itself? Shamsi opts for Quba', a small town in the neighborhood, which would make the discordant statements agree. An even greater disagreement is noted in the article, that the dates given by the followers of Muhammad may have been in the lunisolar calendar used at the time of the hijra, and they may never have been converted into the lunar calendar which began ten years later, which would shift all dates by three months! However, they gave their statements after the lunar calendar had been adopted and intercalary months had been forbidden by Allah, so it is generally assumed that all dates have been converted. This article would be very unwieldy if all of the discordant data cited by Shamsi was included. Note that Shamsi's article is 71 pages long! — Joe Kress 08:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Somebody (not me) proposed a merge. Is it ok if i merge this article into the other two? --Striver 04:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Why did you create an alternate article with a non-standard name (Migration to Medina) when the English name for the event is Hijra? — Joe Kress 22:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

"hijra" in it self is a bit problematic. There are several hijra events, "migrations", to Abyssinia, the one after the blockade, to Ta'if and finaly the one ot medina. And it gets worse considering that "hijra" also denotes something that has nothing to do with a migration, a calendar system. I wanted separete the actual historical event from the later theoretical desicion on how to count years. Both the actual event and the dating system are broad topics, and it does both a disservice to have them on the same article. Did that answer your question? --Striver 00:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No respons in two weeks? Im removing the tags. --Striver 18:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hijra is a standard English term for the move of Muhammad and his followers to Medina; therefore, it must be the title of the article. Pecher ^Talk 18:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julian Calendar?

Why are the corresponding dats written in the Julian Calendar and not the Gregorian? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs).

Because Wikipedia requires that all dates before October 15, 1582 be given in the Julian calendar, which was used exclusively in Europe at that time. See WP:DATE#Different calendars. — Joe Kress 19:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guess what you forgot to mention the first "Flight"

I am amazed at who is writting Islamic history, how could you forget the first hijirah? The flight to Ethiopia? or is this not supported by the Arab council of Scholars?--Halaqah 08:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)