Talk:Highest snooker break

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Contents 1 Early comments 2 Missing 147s? 3 Jamie Cope 155 break 4 Big breaks on TV 5 200+ century makers 6 John Spencer 147? 7 162 break

[edit] Early comments

Nice article! I think it's fine as it is, linked from Snooker. It's a bit too esoteric to go into the body of the main article. In fact, I'd remove most of the stuff about 155 from the main article, leaving not much more than a link.

I've been intending for a while to write something about "147" (how to achieve it, first recorded 147, first televised, etc.). Do you think it should be merged with this article, or is it a separate article entirely? --Auximines 11:50, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Ah great it looks like you've hit upon a good solution. I was tentative about whether this stuff was appropiate at snooker for two reasons. Firstly as you say it is a bit esoteric, and second there are other articles which might link directly into this topic, Tony Drago for example. On the other hand, it was only half a topic. Your proposal to extend to include all the facts about 147 breaks looks like a good solution. As for the name, we can't go for plain 147, but 147 (snooker) would be ok. Maybe maximum snooker break would be better than highest as they use the word "maximum" in snooker circles. In any case it would be good to have redirects to/from all three possibilities. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:21, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Missing 147s?

The list in this article is incomplete, I believe. For example, Bjorn Haneveer (a Belgian player) made a 147 during the 2003 European Championship, but I can't find it in the list. 81.165.240.64 19:05, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

And John Higgins made a maximum at the 2000 Benson&Hedges Irish Masters at Goffs,Co.Kildare and it isn't on the list either.--Fenian Swine 01:49, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

It was there, but as B&H Masters; fixed now.--Ian Cheese 01:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's a good page listing (probably) all 147s.--Ian Cheese 01:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

The youngest televised maximum break should be Andrew Higginson during this year's Welsh Open. Broadcast on Eurosport. oops.. of course age was meant here. Perhaps a more unambiguos phrasing. Obviously my misreading, though. [The previous unsigned post was posted by 84.170.86.204 (talk • contribs), 12:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)]

[edit] Jamie Cope 155 break

I did some checking and there is some discussion of Cope's 155 break in the summer of 2005 in this article in the Guardian. -- Solipsist 16:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

According to this article he also made a 151 back in April 2003. Ian Cheese 16:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big breaks on TV

Although I don't have time to find a reference at the moment, I'm sure I read somewhere that Alex Higgins managed a 135 16-red clearance on TV (and the only televised 16-red clearance. GalaxiaGuy 15:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.snooker.org/Plr/records.shtml "The first 16 red clearance in a tournament was by Steve James (b. 2 May 1961) who made 135 against Alex Higgins in the World Professional Championships at Sheffield, S Yorks on 14 Apr 1990." I'm assuming that was on TV...

[edit] 200+ century makers

A BBC commentator recently said that only half a dozen players had made over 200 century breaks in professional competition. He only mentioned Peter Ebdon, but I know Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry also have 200+. Does anyone have the full details?; it would make interesting reading. 86.17.246.75 23:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Ronnie is second to Hendry on the all-time list. I think the others are John Higgins and Mark Williams, but I'd need to check this. [The previous unsigned comment was posted by MartinUK (talk • contribs), 13:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)]

[1], linked to from snooker, lists top century scorers as of a few days ago. Hv 13:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Spencer 147?

I had heard that the first 147 in a televised match was made by John Spencer, but unfortunately the television crew were taking a tea break at the time so it wasn't captured. Can anyone confirm or deny this, or give more details? Hv 13:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

That's.. unlucky. According to this page, Spencer was playing Cliff Thorburn in the Holsten Lager Tournament on 13 January 1979, and it was the first maximum in competitive play. Worth mentioning, then. Flowerparty☀ 14:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

And also unfortunately for Spencer, he was the opponent when the first televised 147 break was made, by Steve Davis at the Lada Classic in 1982. SteveO, 02:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I've removed this break. The table had oversized pockets and so it wasn't ratified. [2] Ian Cheese 19:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 162 break

I've removed the paragraph about achieving a 162 break:

Theoretically there is an even higher possible break which would result from an implausible sequence of events: Player "A" concedes a total of 159 points through persistent foul shots during which time neither player lawfully pots a ball (score 0-159). Player "B" then fouls (4 points) and, as a result, player "A" is awarded a free ball (score 4-159). As in the above scenario player "A" pots a free ball and a black, followed by 15 reds 15 blacks and all the colours thus accumulating 155 points (score 159-159). The black is re-spotted and player "A" wins the toss and opts to play. Player "A" pots the black and thus accumulates a total break of 162.

This is incorrect: player "A" would record a 155 break before the black is respotted, then the subsequent pot on the black would be recorded as a separate break of 7. Interesting scenario, though! Javacava 00:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

oops - I put a paragraph about a 162 break in without spotting the earlier insertion and removal. Is the re-spot definitely considered a separate break? Is there a definitive reference for this? Plus mine is wrong, I cite 155 instead of 159. [The previous unsigned comment was posted by SexyBern (talk • contribs), 22:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)]

162 is the maximum theoretical 'score', a 'break' is the score during one visit to the table, each new visit to the table begins a new 'break' from zero. So in this case potting the final black would give a score of 162 but the break remains 7 for potting the black. [The previous unsigned comment was posted by 86.142.54.10 (talk • contribs), 16:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)]

Not true, the respotted black counts in the break, as it is still 'one visit'. The player who draws the score level when potting the black continues his break with the respotted black. There is no toss as above. [The previous unsigned comment was posted by 138.253.45.224 (talk • contribs), 10:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)]

Someone needs to find and cite a source on this. I tend toward 86.142.54.10's view, but I don't have a source to cite on that either. Regardless, it needs to get settled and the article needs to account for what the facts are on this issue. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your posts! The above is was virtually impossible to figure out, as far as who is saying what. I'll try to figure it out from the edit history. (Done.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC) Updated 21:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)