Talk:Heyoka

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this page needs new stubs for each of the distinct usages of the word "heyoka"...

[edit] no love for the Lakota?

hi all,

in it's current format, this page really marginalizes the significance of 'heyoka' as many scholars recognize the word. it's primary connotation is not some obscure french punk band, but rather the concept of a sacred clown in lakota indian culture. i had made this change a while ago, only to find that it had been re-edited to appear as a mere footnote. this is troubling. the concept of a 'heyoka' is an important one, and not just a passing origin story for the name of a now-defunct frech band. please respect the importance of this cultural concept! it deserves (at least) it's own independent stub. please refrain from re-editing it!

Lesotho 14:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that. Heyoka is a sacred word and should not be used lightly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.180.171 (talk • contribs).

Finally, I see that you are showing respect to the Heyoka in the Lakota Native American culture. It seems a bit odd that you would first denote a cartoon character before the true definition of the word Heyoka. Who is the Bean guy anyway that is so important to come before the 1000 year old tradition???

You mean 2,000 years.Johnlekay 04:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes at least it has the real meaning unnderneith.

I would like to propose a change. Sacred clowns may apply to many cultures, but Heyoka is a Lakota shaman. There is a distinction. Johnlekay 03:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] totally agree to not merge

hi all,

thanks for the excellent discussion and a very big THANK YOU to Johnlekay re-wrote the Heyoka article. i was beginning to think that i was the only one who cared! i'll contribute to and expand the heyoka article this weekend (to the best of my ability). i fully agree that heyoka should exist as a distinct concept from 'sacred clown', which is a less specific designation (as another wikipedian on this thread has already suggested).

thanks!

Lesotho 04:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You are very welcome and I agree with that. Johnlekay 04:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question about Heyoka and Hayoka

Is the Lakota Heyoka in any way related to the concept of the "Hayoka" as presented in The Highlander tv series? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltec

Coltec was a Cahokia and became a "Hayoka", which he claims is a type of medicine man who can rid the world of evil by absorbing it into himself. He can use this to "heal" others of their emotional pain by absorbing their hatred, pain, and similarly undesirable emotions. It was explained that "Hayokas" protect their tribes by, effectively, heading off evil before it can affect the tribe.

I'm just curious about this. The "Hayoka" concept of healing was very intriguing to me.

Skiswope 17:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)