Talk:Herring
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it's called "rollmops" as far as i know
The image is hugely distracting - very jerky. Makes the article unreadable. Anyone mind if I put it on a separate page and link to it from here? Pcb21| Pete 12:04, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Not at all - a 1.8MB video should be linked to - people on dial-up are at a huge disadvantage - even on broadband it is slow. Greg Robson 20:41, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Problem with taxobox image
There is a huge problem with the image in the taxobox. As nearly as I can tell, that fish is a Coregonid, probably Coregonus artedii. Now, it's true that one of the trivial names for C. artedii is the lake herring but it's not, in fact, a herring at all. Herring are Clupeids. I suggest that image be replaced by a clupeid image, preferably of the Atlantic herring, Clupea harengus. I'm not sure if the image on http://www.gma.org/herring/biology/what/default.asp is PD or not...
- I found an image from Fisheries and Oceans Canada of an Atlantic herring and uploaded that into the taxobox. See the image page for use restrictions.
A picture of rollmops and also Matjes herring should be put in there. In my opinion this would represent the way the ancient Europeans ate herring for thousands of years.
[edit] New Discovery
nachecha that herring and other fish communicate by releasing flatchulants. This is not a vandalism attempt. If anyone has anymore info, drop me a message.--Calvinsupergenius 15:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
- Is anyone going to respond to my post?!?
- Please?
[edit] Shakespeare
I've just reverted the information that's been posted here a couple of times about Shakespeare having died by choking on a herring. If the individual who continues to post this information has some sort of reference to it, please post it. I've just now consulted 16 biographies of Shakespeare and I haven't been able to find that in any of them. Even the William Shakespeare page here on Wiki doesn't mention it. The vicar of Holy Trinity Church, where Shakespeare is buried, writing about 1660, said that Shakespeare "died of a fever … contracted after a night of drinking with Ben Jonson and Michael Drayton, friends and fellow writers." (ref: Encarta Online.) Most references say that the cause of death is unknown. After all, the man was 52 years old -- a good long life by any standards around the turn of the 17th century. If, in fact, he died by choking on a herring, the poster should be able to come up with credible reference to that effect... — Dave 03:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- maybe you could let it stay on this page and tell him to edit it to say it is a legend or whatever it may have been or tell him to give the source instead of rudely deleting it and telling him. I've experienced the same thing by posting the paragraph up there on the flachulants in the village pump and having it deleted because some people don't think it could be possible and calling it nonsense. Thought you might have wanted to know. --Calvinsupergenius 20:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How Many Herring Species?
Article starts out by saying there are 15 species of herring then later says there are nearly 200 species.
- There are 200 spp. in Clupeidae, the family. There are few species of "Clupea." ITIS has many names listed, almost all of which it identifies as "invalid." Many of the species listed in the articles are obscure. Basically, there are two common species, esp. Clupea harengus when young, but also Clupea pallasi. NaySay 18:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rollmops derivation
I've just now consulted seven online dictionaries, most notably the Oxford English Dictionary. Of the seven, six of them give the derivation of Rollmops as coming from German. Now, I understand that German and Dutch are both languages from the same language family and that, perforce, they share many similarities. As someone who has not participated in any of the reversions to date, my hope is that we might avoid an escalating edit war by agreeing that the OED's etymology of the word will be controlling in this matter? — Dave 15:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Looking at the German Wikipedia, the etymology of the word is plausibly explained as being a reference to the similar shape of a Mops (Pug), some kind of dog. I can imagine the similarity with the wooden sticks representing legs, and the pickled cucumber showing at one end as the face. If the Dutch have a better explanation (they haven't currently) they can change it back. For now I am going to make it read "German", instead of "Dutch". --Lasse Hillerøe Petersen 06:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Where are herring found?
The first sentance makes it seem as though herring are only found in the Atlantic and Baltic, but I think there is also a rather large herring industry in Alaska.
- I've been trying to figure this out. It seems that this article was originally started as an article on "Baltic Herring", and somehow the title was changed to simply "Herring". If you make a link to Baltic Herring, you get directed to the Herring article. I don't know how to fix this. The article is certainly very focused on Atlantic herring. Dkreisst 23:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Size of a tarpon
I'd like to suggest removing the reference to the size of the tarpon from the article. It doesn't add any information about herrings, and even gives the impression that a tarpon is some kind of giant herring Kyllor 23:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Removed, along with some other stuff. Thanks for pointing this out. Feel free to edit further. Dkreisst 09:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bots really messing up these articles
The language links of this article should really only lead to the Genus Clupea, not Clupea harengus or so on. In Arabic I don't understand, but it can be correct. In Japanese it probably goes to Clupea pallasi. I have been trying to correct these, but there is still lots of work. --Höyhens 15:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- At the moment the interwiki links seem to be in condition in Herring, Atlantic herring, Pacific herring and also Baltic herring, which as an independent article in fact occurs so far in Polish, Finnish Lithuanian versions, only. I have also checked te Arabic version , and they answered me politely that it is correctly linken in Herring, too. Now I should bring all other iw-links in Arabic, which is rather a peculiar trick, but I promise to try. --Höyhens 22:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
