Talk:Heroes (TV series)/Archive 3

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[edit] Hiro's name

From NBC's graphic novel\comic it's clear that Hiro is not named because it sounds like "hero": http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_002.pdf

I suggest removing that sentence entirely as it's not encyclopaedic in my opinion. Whysquared 22:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The in-story reason for his naming is irrelevant to non-fictional reason. The punny uses make that clear. Still, I'll alter the sentence and move it to the proper article. BTW, sign your comments, mate.ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 19:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There. Anyway, it may be a pun, but I think the article should clarify about the reason behind the name. Whysquared 22:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
The information has been moved to Hiro's article. I'm doing the same with another bit of "trivia" now. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Linderman

How do you all feel about adding Mr. Linderman to the other character section on the main page? I know he hasn't been shown yet, but he has directly affected two of the characters, Nathan (looking for a contribution) and Niki (looking to even the score.) What do you think? --DJ Chair 18:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

He's been connected to two main characters. I'd say that's worth mention. Chulbert 13:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Yah, he's been added to the list by Ace. --DJ Chair 14:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Lawsuit

If you did stick your hand down a active one would you injure you're hand? that should be on their. Tortanick

What? ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 23:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I think Tortanick is talking about the lawsuit brought against NBC by the makers of the In-Sink-Erator (the garbage disposal.) His question is badly worded, I can't imagine anyone not getting their hand mangled in an active disposal. --DJ Chair 05:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Many garbage disposals don't have blades like a lawn mower. They have a rotating disc with a tiny square metal stub that sticks up. That stub pulverizes the food. If you stuck your hand onto it, it would bash at your fingertips, but it would not reach up and chew your hand up.68.202.22.235 02:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
sorry about the bad wording. I do that sometimes. Just wondered because my Disposel cannot be turned on without a heavy plastic seal covering it (Twisting the seal acts as the on/off switch) so I'd allways assumed such foolproof safty methods were standard.

[edit] Why is page locked?

I'm starting this thread in response to an unsigned comment (now deleted) by another editor asking this question. Since Heroes is a going concern and likely to have a lot of editors both registered and anonymous I'd like to request the admin who chose to lock to page please give a brief reason here for the benefit of any newcomers (actually such a note should have been placed earlier - maybe it was and I missed it). As an admin myself I know why the page was locked, but since I didn't do it, the admin who made the call should be given first refusal on explaining the reason for anyone who wants to know. Cheers! 23skidoo 13:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, as that little blue box clearly states, it's a vandalism inspired lock, and it's only against users without accounts, not logged into their accounts, and new accounts. thos of us who've been on wikipedia for any substantial time can still edit it.ThuranX 15:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't call four days substantial, but I digress. I can tell you why. (Still, like you assumed, it's been mentioned, and like X said, it's pretty obvious.) I made a request for protect over the whole Peter powers thing. There's still a lot of uncertain and bad edits even with GIPUs blocked, so, I doubt this page will be unprotected for a while. Frankly, I wish the rules could be changed to the numbers I mentioned before someguy's correction. If this page is any example, four days doesn't weed out...well...stupidity.

Now, as an Admin, I'm sure you can understand. Err- well...not sure. I mean...if the reasoning had to be explained...feh. I'm rambling. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 16:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

So what is this company trying to say, that putting your hand into the maching WON'T damage your hand? Yeah good luck proving THAT in court! NorthernThunder 11:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

A section on the talk page already exists for this topic, please see above or the table of contents under 'The Lawsuit'. ThuranX 11:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29"

[edit] TVGUIDE citation!

Yes! I found it! It's the October 9-14 TVGUIDE. Booya, my friends. Sorry for my disbelief. Word for word:

“ Nathan's younger brother, a disillusioned nurse, will learn—spoiler alert—that he has the ability to absorb to other people's powers. But beware, Kring says: "He will be tempted whether to use it for good or evil." ”

Forgive the copyvio, but this is big. Tim is also quoted as saying that Niki must learn how to "unify this other side of her and ultimately control." "other side" is vague, but I think "control it" definitely means something. Oh, and the guide just also happens to state, "The tortured artist predicts the future when he paints in a heroin-induced daze." (I know. It's almost exactly what we had written.) Plus, "Early in the season he's trying to figure out if these powers exist when he isn't high," Kring says. We'll learn him and make notes along the way, of course. Oh yeah...this next one just fucked me sideways: Micah does have a power, it's different from his parents—they're not telling—and DL isn't introduced until the fifth ep. Next ep (Oct. ninth) is apparently going to be a test of "just how tough [Claire] is." Are you excited? I'm excited. They keep referring to her as "indestructable" and such. I'm beginning to wonder if this is just a simplified explanation or something more. Healing factor meets invulnerability? Logan meets Clark? We'll see, we'll see.

Oh yeah. "It's no coincidence we named him Hiro," Kring says. Who called it? No, seriously...I don't remember. There's also some stuff confirming the obvious. Nathan doesn't want a power, Sylar is a killer, et cetera. Hey, Kaffy, if you're still watching, I've got a question: You want want proof? You can't handle the proof! :-D ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Did no one read this section or the latest TV Guide? For shame, guys. I thought you all cared. :( ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I added a journal citation template to the first TV Guide footnote in the Main Characters chart, so that its reference would no longer appear as blank. However, I've never seen the article describing the characters' powers, so would one of you who knows the article name, date, etc. please fill in the missing info in the journal citation? Primogen 16:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That would be me. There's no URL thatr I can find, but I can tell you the author. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Horn-Rimmed Glasses"

All of the references I can find for the cast indicate that the character's name is "Horn-Rimmed Glasses" so I changed his listing back in the character table and cited the tvguide.com page. As a side note, his last name doesn't necessarily have to be Bennet just because it's Claire's last name. I know several people who don't have the same last name as their father. --Aldryd 15:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, there's no "guy" or "man" at the end of his title. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 15:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this link? Ozzie Grigsby is a crew member from the show (though I've no idea what he does), and he is referring to Linderman and HRG in the same breath there. Now, I was thinking that the current wiki info is correct and that Linderman is the mob boss, but I did want to bring it up. Thoughts? SuperJerms 05:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't put too much weight in the comments on a forum. I can say from the mistakes of others that characters thought to be similar or the same aren't always. Horny was thought to be Sylar at one point. It's all unproven spec—and downright stupid in some cases—until we see hard evidence otherwise. I recall, once, William Magnus and Charles "Charlie" Szasz were illustrated similarly in a book. Nothing really came of it, beyond changes to distinguish the two, but the recent questioning of who "Charlie" was fueled a bit. Anyway, I'd disregard stuff like that, dude. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah don't put too much weight in what I say on the boards. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's just to kick up a discussion. I will try to catch things here if they get too off base, but everyone's doing an awesome job. Oh, and it's "Ollie" Grigsby. ;) Ollie 22:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
In the third episode, one of Claire's friends calls him "Mr. Bennet". You can debate what his technical "character name" is, but I think this should indicate "Mr. Benet" is a better name to identify the character with in the article. Alienmercy 02:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
His name in the script in Horn Rimmed Glasses, that's the name we use/--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 12:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is 9thwonders.com Cast/Crew Forum Chat Useful?

While I'm on the subject, how much should the above site be used as a reference? It is semi-official, it does have writers and cast running around, and it also has many spoilers floating around from the horse's mouth. Much of it would be useful in the wiki (e.g. reference to the Dreamtime as a writing inspiration for either Hiro or Issac, reference to Mosaic (genetics) as a writing inspiration for Peter, and a host of spoilers about coming episode content), but is it in-bounds? After all, crew might comment on things in the rushes that end up on the editing room floor, they might say the wrong thing, or they might just be screwin with the fans. My gut says it would be just as useful as official forums are in other wikipedia articles, but seems like it's worth discussing first. SuperJerms 05:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that only those facts derived from interviews and 'official articles' would be useful, while in-thread commentary would not. There MIGHT be an exception if there's abosulte proof that a poster is genuinely part of the crew or cast, but that's hard to verify on a forum. ThuranX 05:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, but remember that this is not a fan forum, it is run by someone working with NBC. It isn't just some random person saying, "I'm a crewmember, I promise," or, "My friend says he knows the director's hair-stylest, and she says...." The site has specific categories for show writers (scribblers), crew, and cast, as well as exclusive content and art assets. SuperJerms 03:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It's true that you can verify who is actual crew on 9th wonders, but it's also true that you can't always trust what's coming out of their mouths. While none of us would outright lie, there are definitely times when a comment could be open for interpretation. I'd say 9th Wonders could be used as a source but only when the comment is presented in a very straightforward manner. Ollie 22:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Synopsis Section

From the article:
"According to the official NBC website, not only do the characters discover what having superpowers means to them, but also uncover a larger picture concerning the origin of their superpowers. The characters eventually become involved in each other's lives as they attempt to evade the series antagonist, who wishes to harness their "super DNA" for his own ends.

That last part seems speculative. I didn't see anything on the official website that says anything about the antagonist wanting to harness their DNA, only that they will save the world. We either need a citation or to remove it.

Also, it might be worth adding a section into the article talking about similar shows to Heroes, or about the perceived similarities. I know I've seen it discussed in the press. Thoughts?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperJerms) (talk • contribs) 03:27, October 10, 2006 (UTC)

To the first, I'd say "citation needed", though it seems to be coming true either way. To the second, we had something like that. Went too far and began to lack purpose. A lot of fiction, surprisingly, deals with themes similar to heroes. And news articles mentioning similar work don't mean anything. I've seen the web likend to a "counter culture utopia". It's POV, cited or not, and it doesn't help the article. BTW, sign your comments with four tildes. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 03:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Chandra Suresh's Neighbor

What is her character name / actress name?Tbmorgan74 20:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Eden Mackenzie Rihk 20:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sylar and the Bullet proof vest

The character description for Sylar says he had on a bullet proof vest. I don't think Sylar had a bullet proof vest on since you couldn't see it. Is there any evidence to support this claim? Besides why would someone with telekinesis need a bullet proof vest? They could stop the bullets with their mind.

Stopping a bullet with your mind requires being able to react faster than it takes for the bullet to reach you, as well as to be actually aware of which direction it's coming from, whereas putting on body armor just requires a couple hundred bucks. I'm not sure I actually believe he was wearing a vest, but I can certainly see why a telekinetic would want to wear additional armor. EvilCouch 10:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the vest, it only makes sense he would stack the deck in his favor. Sylar seems to be a very intelligent villain, I would assume he would consider a lucky shot getting through his powers from time to time (especially if he's distracted.) Also, if you turn the volume up enough, you'll hear the bullets falling to the ground after he gets up. Which could suggest that they impacted against something (like his chest) and were then held off the ground until he stood (like in his lap.) --DJ Chair 12:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
It's also just as likely that he's bulletproof. He does seem to have a number of powers and not just telekinesis. --ScorpSt
Could it be that some of the victims have been "powered" individuals, and he has absorbed their powers by killing them? That might explain why he seems to have multiple powers, whereas everybody else seems to have only one, or at most variations on a theme. I'm not adding it to the page, just speculating about a link between the murders and his powers. --Psiphiorg 17:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

He did have that map with the people with powers so maybe.

No unverifiable or unsourced speculation is allowed on Wikipedia. Simply report on the event on the show; don't hypothesize reasons for Sylar's survival. See WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_publisher_of_original_thought;Wikipedia does not allow original research (i.e., bulletproof vest theory) nor is it a discussion forum. --Madchester 16:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The bullet proof vest is only being discussed because there was a mention of it in the main article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.125.177 (talk • contribs) 08:57, October 11, 2006 (UTC)

Feh. Don't worry, 75. Maddy can be a bit of a blowhard. '[wipes foggy glass]* Note the steam. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 09:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sylar wouldn't need a bulletproof vest if he was telekinetic, nor would he need to have multiple powers. everything we have seen from his character can be encompassed under telekinesis. Telekinesis, or moving matter with your mind, also means moving energy with your mind, since matter is energy. With this, he could move thermal energy from bodies, create a force field to stop bullets, eject bullets from his body and close the holes back up, and move himself vertically. Rihk 22:08 13 October 2006

[edit] pete's image

In the second episode, pete is in the hospital and is seen drawing a picture of him levitating that would come true. Many people say that he mimiced the power (witch is probebly right) and used it withought drugs. This would be true at first glance but the chances are that pete had some form of morphine or another drug in his system while at the hospital, so he to might need to use drugs to enhance the powers.

Why would he be on morphine? The most he would be given is some tylenol, unless he had a debilitating illness or broken bones or something. He's obviously able to move his arms and legs, so it doesn't look too bad. I do think he was tranquilized, though. Probably given some sort of sedative to keep him sleeping for awhile. Rihk 22:11 13 October 2006
Why would he be on a tranq? He was (supposedly) commiting suicide, jumping from a building. They wouldn't tranq you if you survived, you'd be on pain pills. I think this is discussed further up in regards to Petey's prediction of his walking on air to his brother (which is horizontal, not vertical, like it was stated)Knightrojen 07:33, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Sedated to keep him asleep to recover while they run some tests and to de-stress and rest. I suppose if he had injured himself in an uncontrolled fall to the ground, he would need pain relievers, but Nathan did not need any pain relievers at all, leading me to think that Peter was sedated for depression. Rihk 01:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] character template

I liked the template that was implemented on the 10th of October for the addition characters. It cleaned up the design a little and made it not seem _so_ messy. Who's with me on implementing it that way instead of tossing everything into columns, as opposed to columns and rows? --DJ Chair 22:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks terrible, both ways. The description is way too long to be put into a table like that. I think it would be done best if it wasn't a table at all. --Pinkkeith 03:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] unreadable character in the bar

Erm... I got the impression that was actually D.L. Hawkins, not Benett's associate. Him being unreadable to Matt and causing him to faint would kinda fit in the whole supernatural fugitive story, wouldn't it? Besides, he looks like the actor that's supposed to be portraying D.L. -- 89.172.29.21 10:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would D.L.'s power (phasing) be the cause of Matt's passing out at the bar? Maybe, and more likely, the beer he was drinking had been tampered with and he was drugged. (You heard it here first, if I'm right, you all owe me a dollar!) --DJ Chair 13:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, wouldn't that be the pinnacle of phasing - being not only able to disappear and/or blend into your surroundings but also being able to both passively and actively counter any attempt at reading. After all, what good would phasing do if it were possible for others to read your mind? :) Re: beer - thought of that too, but beer was from tap and besides, he could read the bartender and others in the immediate vicinity, remember? 89.172.29.21 16:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Damn... you were right after all :P 89.172.9.107 21:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
They are played by different actors according to IMDB [1]. The mysterious man is played by Jimmy Jean-Louis and D.L. by Leonard Roberts. --musicpvm 13:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Re-read what i wrote. I never implied they were played by the same actor. 89.172.29.21 16:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
One might also want to note that Mystery Man In Bar is wearing a necklace whose charm is the same half-helix DNA symbol seen on Mohinder's father's book, in the algorithm for the "mutant-tracking" program, drawn on the pages of Claire's school textbook, afloat in the pool of the Walker's house (Sylar's victims in episode 2), and scrawled on the various faces on Sylar's map... I'm sure that symbol's elsewhere that I missed. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
The half-helix seems to be just about everywhere you look in every other scene :) I'm not sure anymore if it's supposed to mean anything in specific or is just a comic-like leitmotif. 89.172.29.21 16:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Would it be notable to include a section about all the sightings of the half helix? I.e. in the pool of the scene with the empath cop?Knightrojen 07:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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