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  • Archive 1 July 27 2006 - Oct 3 2006. Peter's, Niki's, Micah's, and Sylar's powers; Horn Rimmed Glasses' and the Back Dorm Boys' identities; external links.
  • Archive 2 Oct 3 2006 - Oct 4 2006. Symbol-RNA relation; Peter and Isaac's powers; Is Heroes too gory?; Sylar's hunger.
  • Archive 3 Oct 4 2006 - Oct 11 2006. Mr. Linderman, garbage disposal lawsuit, and 1st semi-protect added; TVGuide article; Sylar and the bulletproof vest; the Mysterious Man's identity.
  • Archive 4 Oct 11 2006 - Oct 16 2006. The eclipse; standardizing the main characters' table; Peter's power; defining "verifiability".
  • Archive 5 Oct 16 2006 - Oct 18 2006. TVRage.com link removed; the Symbol subsection and photo added; the minor characters subpage; the graphic novels' Easter eggs; the occupation field edit war.
  • Archive 6 Oct 18 2006 - Oct 24 2006. Ages versus birthdates; plagarism found; NBC.com's errors; minor characters' last names; WikiProject Heroes.
  • Archive 7 Oct 24 2006 - Nov 10 2006. Graphic novel subpage and Heroes image category added; 2nd semi-protect added; defining powers and characters' statuses; Automated Peer Review.
  • Archive 8 Oct 19 2006 - Nov 22 2006. Archives started; Ratings table and fansites removed; Mr. Bennet's status and Mohinder's lack of powers discussed.
  • Archive 9 Nov 10 2006 - Dec 16 2006. Genre: Supernatural or Sci Fi?; Issac's, Ted's, and Mr. Bennet's powers; characters' number of appearances; "full-time" v. "main" character status.
  • Archive 10 Dec 18 2006 - Jan 13 2007. International broadcasts and infobox flags; Zach's sexuality; Micah's power; The Haitian's symbol; Heroes wiki discussed again.
  • Archive 11 Jan 14 2007 - Feb 06 2007. Wizard interviews, Heroes redirect, RNA/Godsend symbol, WikiProject Heroes created, "symbol" v. "sigil" v. "imagery".
  • Archive 12 Jan 16 2007 - Feb 12 2007. Zach's Homosexuality controversy, The surgical mark and tattoo, Production goofs, Episode screen captures deleted.
  • Archive 13 Jan 19 2007 - Feb 23 2007. Heroes 360 info added and split off, comic book connections and controversy, cameos moved, Nikki and Claire's powers discussed.
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[edit] Int. Broadcasters

The section is becoming very large and very ugly, surely we can do something about this? It may be better if we listified instead with columns (without the "Weekly schedule" as Wikipedia isn't a TV guide), this would probably look neater, but doesn't refute the question of: Do we need it? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Heroes In Canada

As most Global TV viewers know by know,heroes is know airing Sundays in canada a day ahead of the american broadcast.some people decided to put spoiler warnings in the next episode to not write about the plot untill it airs in the US,but that seems biased to me.Is it fair to leave it blank just because it hasnt aired yet somewhere else?192.30.202.18 19:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it hasn't aired in America, if it airs elsewhere first then that country is the original airdate and a plot may be put into the article. Systemic bias is what it's called. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
If the people don't want to see the information before the episode airs, they have the option not to read it. Wikipedia is not censored in any way, including spoilers. Put it in, if you've seen it. PureSoldier 03:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I see the airdate in this section for Canada as Sundays at 9:00.Can anyone confirm whether or not it was a one time thing with global airing the episode early?Rodrigue 17:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

IT IS OFFICIAL! as of 3 seconds ago according to the tv guide channel thing we have up here in Canada, Heroes will be playing at 9:00 pm sunday on global, theirfor its ether a 2 time things, or a whole new constant thing. Toxic Ninja 01:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Cont'd. Yep it played as scheduled, and it's a damn good episode. Toxic Ninja 03:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

For the record, this is not the case across Canada. Alberta stations still air episodes on Monday nights. --Kmsiever 20:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto Saskatchewan. Unless it's changed... Trekphiler 02:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heroes airdates

I've just confirmed that the next episode of Heroes will also air on Sunday on Global TV[[1]]in addtiion to last nights[[2]],so we can now say that it will continue airing before the US so the airdates are all in fact earlier now.64.228.70.208 20:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Or should be list airdates as they relate to a region? -- (Mrja84 20:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC))
Because Global has 5 hours of programming that is normally scheduled to air in the Monday prime-time block (typically 3 hours long), the network has moved shows around on a regional basis. Most of the Eastern affiliates show Heroes on Sunday, while Western affiliates show The Black Donnelly's on Sunday. The stations that show Heroes on Sunday show The Black Donnelly's on Monday, and vice-versa. -- (bestlurker 5:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Emerson lawsuit

The section states that there was an edited version released. In what way was it edited? Did they remove the scene, digitally remove the brand name or something else? EvilCouch 10:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot

I would like to discuss exactly what the Plot section should entail. Yes there are a lot of events going on within the episodes, but I believe the Plot Summary should be about what's going on currently and what the overall plot of Heroes (the series) is. -- (Mrja84 20:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

i must disagry i have used this page many timesto catch up on missed events. I Know 7

Then look up the episode that you missed, not the Plot Summary of the Main Page. -- (Mrja84 14:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC))
Indeed. The plot summary on the main page should describe the main themes of the entire series in about a word of 500-1000. There are episode specific articles if you need to know more. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golfnut's edits

Golfnut's two recent edits were removed - nothing personal, just that the note about the Haitian's pendant was already in the list, and the note about Simone is speculation. As discussed previously here and elsewhere on Wikipedia, trailers and preview clips aren't a reliable source of what will actually happen in upcoming episodes. Events are often cut up, shown out of sequence and out of context, and manipulated for promotional purposes. The scene with Simone could well be one of Peter's visions, for all we know. --Ckatzchatspy 21:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as the scene with Simone, it could've been Issac having a nightmare or dream from the guilt. We don't know that that's why I removed it. People need to be patience and respecting to what we've already done -- (Mrja84 16:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Handgun not notable?

Oh, come on. If it's not, then neither are the symbol, the two marks, or the eclipse. If it weren't notable, they wouldn't make a special effort to make sure the viewer is able to recognize that specific gun every time it appears on the screen, complete with long closeups that no other gun in the show ever gets (and there have certainly been plenty of opportunities). Anything that has been specifically shown that many times definitely has more significance than something that hasn't. --Robotech_Master 02:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with you, though perhaps not to the same degree. The gun has been re-used in several places throughout the series, is distinctive in appearance, and has repeatedly received comments during the commentary episodes available at NBC. If only as a bit of trivia, the gun _is_ notable and should have some mention. I don't think that it is _as_ notable as the symbol/eclipse/marks, but it definitely deserves some mention.Valaqil 14:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with Valaqil, The gun is notable, but only for the current storyline. This page is meant to general and board topics revolving around the whole show. The gun is not connected to every character. The symbol, the mark, and the eclipse all connect to the characters. (Mrja84 18:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC))

For what it's worth, according to the folks over on alt.rec.guns, the weapon is "a double stack M1911 Colt pistol with the slide drilled and an extended compensator." Whenever someone gets around to writing an entry that adds it back in. --Robotech_Master 23:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you guys talking about Jessica/Nikki's pistol? That's a HK p2000SK, not a m1911.ChronoSphere 03:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

No, the funky-looking travelling gun that always seems to shoot sympathetic characters but not unsympathetic ones. Lately used by Isaac to accidentally shoot his girlfriend, and by Mohinder in an unsuccessful attempt to kill Sylar. There are apparently more than one of these guns, as they seem to end up in multiple places at once; perhaps they're the standard-issue sidearm of The Company. --Robotech_Master 05:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Company

Does any one think we should put in an artcle about "The Company"?- Red siderman 3/1

Are you referring to Primatech? Valaqil 15:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I have noticed with interest that the various fansites were calling it AWI or OWI (Agency or Organization Without Initials). After company man, and in view of the international scope of the Company I think we can agree it should be OWI as it is clear now that it is non-governmental, although it may be operating under government knowledge and sanction. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 17:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe the characters themselves called it "the Company". - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about Primatech, i'm talking about the Where Mr.bennet really works, run by (i think) tompson- Red spiderman 3/4

Until we know the true name, it's called "the Company". dposse 13:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE COMPANY V. Primatech

In quite a few entries and articles, for Thompson, Primatech and others, there is little distiction between Primatech (the front company who Mr. Bennet is employed by and poses as his legit job) and "the Company" (the covert organization who monitors, regulates and control the "special people." I feel there should be a greater disticintion made between the two. Currently, the only confirmed employ of both Primatech and "the Company" is Bennett, others are listed as members of Primatech, but there is no evidence on screen or otherwise that they are paper company employees (Eden, The Haitian, Candice, Thompson). The same argument would say everyone who works for Air America also works for the CIA, and vice versa. Front organizations do not equal their parent group. I feel as editors we need to start to make a distiction between the members of Primatech (whom Bennett is the only confirmed member) and it's parent organization (whom Thompson, Kaito, Eden, the Haitian, Candice, Claude (formerly), Hank and Lisa are members). The same could also be said for the above ground building and its lower levels, as well. 66.109.248.114 03:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

That's gonna be difficult to do, considering how little we know. dposse 20:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Production Notes: Japanese scenes

I'd like to expand the writing information of the Production Notes to include the Japanese scenes. If I recall correctly, critics have applauded the show for having scenes in Japanese with English subtitles. I've found sources about Oka and Takei translating their scripts from English to Japanese. (Oka: Super Hiro: Japanese nerd is hit of ‘Heroes’, Takei: JAPANESE AMERICAN SPLENDOR: TAKEI TALKS “HEROES”). The problem is I can't find sources about critic's approval or disapproval about the language usage now. Anyone got a source for me? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 23:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Niki vs. Jessica

i think niki might be a medium ,able to have ghost take over her (like in the Sixth sense), so it would be jessica withe the superstrenght, but died and some how got transfered to niki this also might explain the RNA symbol that appears when jessica is in control- Red spiderman 3/4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.129.44 (talk) 01:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

That is total speculation for now though. ≈ Seraph 11:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait, what? RNA symbol? 72.1.206.17 16:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

i ment "the symbol"- redspiderman 3/5

redspiderman, instead of typing your name at the end of a comment, just put 4 tilde's (~)it will auto-sign you. Sumnjim 13:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm know going as RED- Red 3/17

If you want to go by "Red", you can sign your posts like this. It can still say Red, and it will link to your user page.--Lostcause365 16:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sylar

Shouldn't sylar be one of the main characters? i mean he is the one of the main villian- Red spiderman 3/5

Sylar is a recurring character, but not a "main" character. There is a list of main characters, and Sylar is not on it. He's definitely a villian, but powerful =/= plot-centric. Valaqil 17:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

ok- redspiderman 3/5

I disagree with this. I don't think it's reasonable to call Simone a "main character" when she really isn't the centre of a particular plotline. She's more a recurring part of Isaac/Peter's stories, but, at least at this point, doesn't seem central to any part of the overall tale. Sylar certainly is, even if we have seen his actions explicitly only recently - he killed Mohinder's father, bringing him to America and is now the major focus of the doctor's actions. He was a major part of many heroes lives even before the viewer met him, e.g. his hunting other supers is what brought Matt Parkman into the limelight and is a major contributing factor to the whole situation between Claire and her father. Not only this, but he has an agenda, backstory and presence all his own that Simone certainly doesn't have (at least at this point in the series), and is currently at the nexus of Peter and Mohinder's journies and is the key focus of Episode 18's cliffhanger. To say that he's not a main character while including Simone just seems silly to me. -Cinderelephant 10-03-07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.237.149 (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
In TV (at least American TV; I won't speak for other countries) a "main character" is one played regularly by an actor whose name appears in the opening credits. In other words, it's the producers who determine who the "regulars" are. Tawny Cypress (Simone) was listed as a regular in the show's cast, but Zachary Quinto (Sylar) continues to be listed as a guest actor. BobGreenwade 17:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
BobGreenwade has it right. Whether we agree or not, Zachary Quinto is, and remains to be called, a guest star. Check out TV Guide's listing of the cast. Tawny Cypress is "Heroes Cast" and Zachary Q is "Heroes Guest Cast". Check out NBC's cast page. Simone has a profile, and Sylar does not. It's the same everywhere. *shrug* We're not here to question reasoning, but to report facts. Valaqil 19:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
OK then, that's cool. I didn't realise "Main Character" had a specific definition :). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.237.149 (talk) 06:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Heores Project

Heroes Project? How come I haven't heard about this? Nocarsgo 00:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)NocarsgoNocarsgo 00:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It was started back in Janurary. I'm sorry you didn't see it until now. dposse 20:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On Hiatus?

Just a question, why? It kinda sucks that we have to wait til' April 23rd for the next episode... Argh, I'm addicted to this show now! So not fair :( Can anyone tell me why its been put on hold? Thanks. JJMan 22:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Beacuse it takes time to actully film and edit the episodes. Though filming is probebly done for the next season, editing and advertising (for and during the show) are probably not finished.--68.192.188.142 01:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Plus even if they could keep going now, the season would be over first week in April (which people would also complain about) meaning they would miss May sweeps for the ratings. --Milo H Minderbinder 13:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Another plus: Even if they were continually filming as episodes aired and somehow stayed ahead of schedule, this heightens the hype via anticipation. Short bursts of high action, mystery, and plot with little breaks in between keeps excitement, and, thus, ratings high. Very smart from an business standpoint. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Valaqil (talk • contribs) 15:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Oh, thanks guys, I was just wondering. I thought it might be something to do with the filming etc. And I agree, Valaqil, I guess it is a rather smart move to create maximum publicity and viewings! :) JJMan 17:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No offense but this talk page is really for discussing the wikipedia article, not for show gossip. tv.com has great show forums for this sorts talk if you're looking for a good place to go. Tarc 21:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Like one of the banners at the top says: "This is a talk page for discussion of the article about Heroes (TV series). It is not for discussion about the program itself" --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Although I agree with TheDJ, this has been the only quick reference for me to get the exact date of the new episodes--Lostcause365 15:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, doesn't it mention in the article that the show has been put on hold? So technically, we're discussing the content of the article :). JJMan 16:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

For clarity's sake, the hiatus hasn't anything to do with the production schedule, or they'd just go to repeats. (Recall, shows aren't usually taped months in advance, except game shows, where shooting goes so much faster.) It's the network, probably due to sweeps, or scheduling conflicts with sports, or something. Trekphiler 03:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

Do we have a Heroes timeline somewhere? Considering that the show plays a lot with dates, I thought this would be relevant. I found this and this to be helpful as examples. GameCreator 21:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

We have the episode articles and the character articles. I think that's enough. dposse 20:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a wiki, we can never have enough! Maybe have a link to the timeline, this sort of information does not need to be on the main page.--Lostcause365 14:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually we can... Wikipedia is indeed a wiki, but also a Encyclopedia, not a fan guide to a television series. As such, there CAN be too much at a point. If you can create a detailed timeline, that clearly illustrates some of the plotlines, and ties it all in with the various episodes, then I think it can be useful. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 15:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Now that you make that point, I do see your logic. And I agree with your assessment of what a timeline page should entail.--Lostcause365 15:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
In defense of a possible timeline: the fact that we have so many individual articles would seem to justify (to me) the need to have something besides the main page and episode list that tie them together on a single page. And because this is not strictly a linear show (i.e. the episode titled Six Months Ago, Hiro's time travel, Peter's visions, etc.), a timeline would be that much more relevant. Just my thoughts. GameCreator 15:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stan Lee

Stan Lee is affiliated right? Mathiastck 19:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

no... -Xornok 19:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
He made a cameo in one episode (Unexpected) but I'm not aware of any connection past that.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heroes Main Page

I am wondering if anyone else feels that the main page is a bit bloated. Things like the Emerson Lawsuit need to be tidied and some of the info could be set up in linked separate pages. Just a thought, not trying to complain. I'd just like to see the best heroes source on the web hosted by Wikipedia.--Lostcause365 15:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Symbol

Would anyone object to putting in a line about how the symbol is a nucleic acid strand and a wikilink to DNA or RNA?RogueNinja 22:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that a mere speculation? You need to prove that it's a fact in order to put it in the article. -- Lyverbe 11:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a combination of 2 japanese characters? It does however represent 1/2 of a strand of RNA. As a piece of wild speculation, probably the section of RNA that is modified to give the Heroes their powers, and the thing that Sylar is able to replicate.--Lostcause365 14:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It is meant to appear like a peice of RNA, I'll find the link, but the crew call it the "Single Helix" I believe, which alludes to it. Jacobshaven3 15:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

That bit was in the article before, however without any citation, it was deemed original research and chucked. EvilCouch 15:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Could we not get around the whole WP:OR thing with saying that "It resembles a strand of DNA/RNA?--Lostcause365 14:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Not really - it's still implying a connection that we cannot confirm without a suitable reference. However, there is a note at the Heroes Wiki article "The Symbol" which says that the symbol is called the "single helix" in the "Company Man" commentary. If someone could verify that statement, it might give us a starting point from which to craft something appropriate. --Ckatzchatspy 17:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
During the episode 17 commentary writer Brian Fuller refers to the symbol as "one of our little hidden half-helixes." - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 17:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't really thorough with my post, I meant say resembles and either show or link to a pic of DNA/RNA. Sorry if it seems like I'm riding a looped coaster, but judging from interviews and just general talk on the series, its widely agreed upon that the symbol is genetics related in the least.--Lostcause365 06:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately the major editors of this topic tend to be reactionary to the point of stasis. But get them proof of the obvious and it will probably stay... at least for a few weeks! ;) WookMuff 09:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Symbol appearance

"Formed by the smoke from the gun that Mohinder tries to shoot Sylar with" was added a couple of days (weeks?) ago and removed shortly after. It's now back. I remember trying desperately to see the symbol in the smoke, but never could. Where do you guys see the symbol in the smoke?! Could it be possible to get some screenshot because you seem to have a much better imagination than I do! -- Lyverbe 16:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Symbol Characters: hanzi (Chinese) / kanji (Japanese)?

I was going through the history of this article and it seems like the part Kanji / Chinese characters (in the Symbol part) was changed quite a lot. I don't understand neither Chinese nor Japanese, so I can't decide it, but why are you so sure it's in Kanji? --Have a nice day. Running 23:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't involved in this dispute, but it seems to be that in the shows universe, the Kanji terms were used to define the symbol, but because the Kanji characters were borrowed from the Chinese, someone believes they should go down instead. Personally, if I have gotten the above view points correct, it should be the Kanji used, simply because they were used in universe, and are directly verifiable. Although the Chinese characters may have been the original characters, in this instance anyhow, I think it's best if we go by the show rather than what we think is right. Jacobshaven3 01:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. In case I did misunderstand the different viewpoints, sorry.
The sword is Japanese--the characters are kanji. If something is written in English, it is literally written with the Roman alphabet, but it still isn't considered Latin.--hypercritic 06:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, as I said, I don't know the differences and commons between Kanji and Chinese, but what hypercritic and EvilCouch below writes makes it pretty clear. (AND I'm a little bit smarter about kanji.) --Have a nice day. Running 12:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
It was originally stated as Japanese characters, then changed to Chinese, to reflect that they're not originally Japanese character, but Chinese. Then I changed it to Kanji, as it accurately reflects that they're the character set used in Japan, that was borrowed from Chinese. It should be left as Kanji as it is the most correct way to refer to the characters in the context they're given. EvilCouch 08:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree. Borrowed from Chinese or not, they ARE characters used in Japanese. The sword is Japanese, as is the character translating it (Ando).--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Precisely so. The best analogy I can think of is that the English language is made up of words borrowed from many languages but that are part and parcel of English. If it was an English word on an English sword with a German rootword, being translated by an English person, you would not say it was German. WookMuff 22:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a moot point. Kanji are Japanese, without a doubt. Although the characters themselves--"ji"--come from a Chinese source, they aren't the same as the characters used in the contemporary Mandarin or Cantonese dialects. The people that post more contradictions should read-up on the difference between kanji and hanzi.--hypercritic 23:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Umm just like I said in my moot point analogy? German =/= english, hanzi =/= Kanji. WookMuff 01:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

With all of the changes being made by GIPU's, should we consider semi-protected status? Valaqil 12:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so - they also made a lot of positive work on this article. --Have a nice day. Running 12:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potential Jewish Connection?

Take a look on nbc.com at Episode 13, ("Distractions"), part 2. I don't know if there is anything to this but I noticed some connections to "Jewish numbers" and I wanted to see if anyone else sees anything in this: Mohinder, who lives in apartment 613, which corresponds to the 613 Mitzvot in Judaism, mentions that his father found 36 people with hidden talents. In Jewish mysticism there are 36 people, lamedvavnikim, who have hidden talents and are the reason for earth's survival, acting as its superheroes. Is there anything we can research about the show's intentions or is this just a coincidence? Valley2city 19:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Humm...I wouldn't put in an article without some sourcing, but that is very interesting. It is pretty common for writers in this sort of show to use that kind of hidden message, either as hints of things to come or just for fun. Of course, there is also the possibility its just a coincidence.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
You'd need sourcing to put it in, but it's probably on purpose, the writers keep hinting in interviews that there's a lot of spiritual history and mythology hidden in the series. Jacobshaven3 20:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed with the above. ThuranX 20:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I completely agree with your assessments. I'd love to learn more about it. It seems a lot like Neil Gaiman's Sandman series in terms of its peppering in various mythical tidbits. Valley2city 21:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Not that I want to be "that guy", but you'd have to be very careful about putting a religious spin on any article. Judaism can tend to be a very polarizing issue. I personally feel that if you can source the article, by all means put it in. Anything that adds to the mythos of Heroes is a positive addition IMHO. I've always felt that there was a very Brahman/Atman cadence to the episodes, but that's all it is, a feeling. After all, it's entertainment. There is such a thing as looking too deeply.Lostcause365 23:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Put it in. Along the way, you can mention the influence of Jews in Hollywood & in comics, including the suggestion I've heard Superman was (in effect) "Superjew" (special powers, but nobody recognizes him, even without a mask), including references to Jerry Siegel, Stan Lee (né Leiber), Selznick, et al. Trekphiler 03:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC) (BTW, if this makes me sound like a bigot, I'm going on the basis of a serious documentary that chronicled it sympathetically.)
Uh, no. It sounds incredibly sarcastic, and yes, bigoted. And no, it doesn't belong in. Inference isn't implication. ThuranX 22:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps that kind of info doesn't belong, but Thuran is wrong. It didn't sound sarcastic or bigoted to me...but yes, I think this is notable enough to mention that 613, Mohinder's apartment number, shares similarity to Jewish beliefs that very much hold a similar theme to Heroes. Even if the writer's didn't intend this, it's a neat little easter egg. Specusci 12:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
How does some random number of a apartment suddenly link to Jewish beliefs? How is this an easter egg if no one intended this to be true? No, this fails notability and sounds like someone's strange opinion or theory. dposse 20:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not attributable,however if thre was a citation for it, I'd include it. The writers have repeatedly said that they have included various religious themes and have used spiritua history before. Their choice of Uluru was on purpose, as well as the fact almost all the main characters have biblical names. So I'm sure the choice of room number and number on the list are intentional. However, without evidence you can't put it down. Though since the original posters already agreed with this, seems this post is like flogging a dead horse.Jacobshaven3 20:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Huh? Uluru? When I mentioned Uluru everyone beat me down... whats this about Uluru? WookMuff 09:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't be a heal

Hayden's page credits Claire with a healing factor. AFAIK, this isn't established; she's unbreakable, but her disease or poison immunity aren't proven. Correction in order? Trekphiler 03:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Claire's healing factor could not be more established. Per the healing factor page "A healing factor is a term used to describe the ability of some characters in fiction to recover from bodily injuries or disease at a superhuman rate." If that doesn't sound like an apt way of describing Claire's power, I don't know what does. She's not unbreakable. She bleeds, her bones break, she's even died. She heals quickly and that's precisely what the term healing factor means. EvilCouch 06:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. I agree with EvilCouch. If you watched the show, you know that she has the ability to heal. She survived a nuclear explosion (and the radiation from it), being cut apart and autopsied, ect. "Unbreakable" would be like bullets bouncing off of Superman. Bullets don't bounce off of her, she just cannot die from a bullet because she can heal. dposse 15:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Totally correct. NBC's promotional stuff (teasers and whatnot) tends to describe her as "indestructible," "unbreakable," or whatever, but she clearly can be broken. She just gets better really, really fast. BobGreenwade 15:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Third agreement here. Copywriters aren't always concerned with what the show's writers say and do. They rarely if ever run that copy by the show's writers, who have a far more important job. Citing advertisement text and voice-over for Wikipedia's a bad idea, It's like citing the janitor at the White House about bush's foreign policy intentions. ThuranX 22:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Fourth agreement. Evidently she didn't become poisoned from the radiation, and she did indeed get shot as was mentioned above. She broke, has been broken, and recovered at a remarkable speed. Also, I don't doubt she can get sick; however, perhaps symptoms relieve themselves too quickly to be noted. Specusci 12:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Be cool

Someone added Niki in the list of those who have the scar and it was removed with the comment "Revert vandalism". It looks a lot more like a mistake than vandalism. Don't scare people who are only trying to help. -- Lyverbe 12:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Well what else are you going to do? Leave the mistake? I seriously doubt they were scared off...Specusci 12:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm talking about the comment of the fix, not the fix itself. "Niki has the helix, not the scar" would have been enough. A vandal is someone who does malicious acts to ruin/destroy something. I wouldn't want to be called that if I just wanted to help out. -- Lyverbe 16:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, its important to assume good faith. An edit can be incorrect without being vandalism.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I would like to emphasize this request. I have the Heroes page and talkpage in my watchlist and the stuff that flies by at times is seriously unrespectful. Please try and keep a cool head when editing the page. Not everyone is a wikipedian for years and years, not everyone watches the show as closely as a couple of people here, and not everyone is 20-25 years old. Take all that into account whenever you edit this page. It's just WP:CIVIL and Good Faith. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 19:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
"An edit can be incorrect without being vandalism." Quoted for truth. I just saw an edit that probably wasn't actually vandalism, but simply incorrect. Let's not call it that unless we're fairly certain that it is, eh? Valaqil 16:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of scars, shouldn't Sylar be listed? Mr. Bennet wouldn't have held him and forgotten to tag him, plus his chart in the Assignment Tracker at the Primatech Paper website reads, "radio isotope injection upon delivery"... http://www.primatechpaper.com/images/C004_chart.jpg Goroliath

[edit] Languages

Any info about non-English dialogues in this series? Why do the Japanese speak Japanese but the South Asians speak English among themselves? In Episode 18 we get to see the Haitian speaking French on the phone and also with Mrs. Petrelli, but there was no subtitles! Any external info we might able to add a sentence or two in the article? --Kvasir 04:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Some relatively educated Indians who come from different regions of India, and don't otherwise share a language in common, do sometimes use English as a means of communication. AnonMoos 04:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Hiro and Ando's japanese conversations were important to the storyline. The Haitian and Mrs. Petrelli's french were not. Simple as that, i suppose. dposse 16:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought it more that Hiro's communication is meant to be understood by the audience, since it's one of the Main characters. However the other conversations (Mr. Bennet thinking Japanese, The Haitian speaking French et al) are meant to be not understandable, since te Heroes can't understand it. Jacobshaven3 17:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

What are "South Asians"? Technically, that includes areas such as Indonesia and Singapore. Anyway, did you know India is the country with the most English speaking people? English is one of their official languages (see India). This would explain why the Indians are speaking in English on the show. — hippi ippi++++ 12:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a friend that is from Japan and she said that Ando (Hiro's friend) does not speak Japanese well. She said that he has a heavy accent and mispronunces words. Even though Japanese is her native language, she has to read the English subtitles in order to understand what he is saying.

FYI, South Asians do not include indonesians and singaporeans. In any case, the Indians in the show speak English with an accent which implies English is not their first language. At the university i can understand the academics speak English, but the Suresh's speak amongst themselves in English, why? Even the young mysterious boy Sanjog speaks English, maybe it's because of his powers? Ando is played by a Korean-American actor, blame him or the dialect coach for the bad acting i suppose. George Takei doesn't speak Japanese well either.

There are over 22 different official languages in India. Also, the English colonised India. Not to try and build up my cred, but all of my south asian friends learned english while in their home country (those that were born there), and the majority of their family that remains in India/Pakistan does too. It remains the language of businessmen and scholars, while in Japan, the Japanese language is primary in higher circles.--Lostcause365 06:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC) One minor thing, Please sign all posts.

[edit] Time to split off recurring elements?

The list in the article is getting a little unwieldly, IMHO. There's a similar article for Doctor Who which covers recurring elements in that series so it's not without precedent. I think the lists are notable but in the main series article, it feels like fancruft. What does everyone else think? 75.162.21.161 18:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It would have to be expanded ALOT and meet all wikipedia guidelines, like WP:N, WP:A, ect. It would take alot of work to make it into prose and then create a nice sized article from it. dposse 13:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we have to split the full list of the recurring items and leave, in the main article, only the items which reoccur. -- Magioladitis 10:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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