Talk:Height and intelligence

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[edit] heightism

This seems to be just outrageous stupid heightist declarations without a single piece of verificable evidence. The whole article needs a complete rewrite, deletion, or else to be extendedinto something more respectable, with head and toes. Herle King 13:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

You're not just saying that because you're short, are you?  :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JSC ltd (talk • contribs) 16:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

"outrageous stupid declarations without a single piece of verificable evidence" did you miss the peer reviewed papers in the relevant scientific journals, or do you not consider that verifiable evidence? Pete.Hurd 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

If I put a "completely disputed" tag, it is because this is pseudo-science. "Intelligence", until now, is not possible to measure according to scientific standards, while height is easily measurable. When scientifics will agree on a common definition of intelligence, then find a fantastic way to measure it, then they might start considering carrying on tests evaluating intelligence. Right now, apart of IQ tests which only have credit in some very intelligent sectors of the United States society, but are not accepted in the rest of the world as legitimate measures of "intelligence", there are no way to measure it, much less to correlate it to height. Showing one's education (mind you, "education" is not a synonym of "intelligence") by the expression Correlation does not imply causation doesn't change the least the problem. Tazmaniacs 21:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see, when you mean "pseudoscience" you really mean, body of main-stream science that you don't agree with. As for "correlation doesn't imply causation", the science quoted in this article is really nowhere near that naive. Pete.Hurd 22:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

You are saying that research published in journals such as Pediatics, Journal of Pediatrics, International Journal of Epidemiology and Genes Brain and Behavior is pseudoscience. This work is clearly in the mainstream of accepted science, and therefore I have to balance out your assertions against these journals. If it's so plainly clear that this work is deeply flawed, then I suggest you submit a refutation to a scientific journal, otherwise your assertions look a whole lot more like Original Research, and POV pushing than does this article. Pete.Hurd 22:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Why does there need to be a common intelligence metric for it to be considered non-pseudoscientific? This would pretty much rule out any research where there is disagreement on the exact construction of a metric. I think I'll have to let Keith Poole know that he's been dabbling in pseudoscience for 20 years since his and Howard Rosenthal's NOMINATE set of ideology scores aren't universally accepted in legislative research. ~ trialsanderrors 23:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)